So I'm on the fence about crafting Zilliax. It is a tier 1 card right now, no doubt, and will be in standard for a long time. I fully agree with its value (which many players seem to miss) in basically being a super-buff to any mech. What scares me, however, is that we're unlikely to see further mech support in future expansions, and even now mech decks aren't really tier 1. Realistically, as awesome as it is now, this card will only get weaker as time goes on unless we see another high-statted mech or two in the next expansion.
If you have a deck ready where he fits then just do it and don't overcomplicate things. He is a fun card as well!
I agree, don’t hesitate with that one. Just craft it.
Double agree. Zilliax is an amazing card and can provide some real tempo; as a lot of decks out there run at least one mech to magnetize. I run him in all my deathrattle decks because of he's just a good lifesaver with lifesteal. He's by far the best legendary out of Boomsday and will continue to be good because even if future expansions don't provide mech support, this one provided all and more synergy you could ever ask for with him
You should not compare Wild and Standard cards. The Curator hasn't seen serious play in a very long time, maybe except the 1-1 for 1 brawl. Wild decks tend to either have you dead, overwhelmed or comboed down already when he hits the board. That being said, Countess Ashmore might be placed too high.
While I agree with the thought behind this in both of the cards are underplayed; I have to argue that Ashmore is just strictly better than Curator. Comparing Lifesteal/Deathrattle/Rush cards to Murlocs/Beasts/Dragons you can see the difference. Sure you get board presence in Curator immediately, the only notable cards you'll get from him are the dragons as most decks would only run 1/2 and maybe beasts (murlocs only if you're running in a murloc deck then it becomes worse because it pulls a random one) meanwhile look at the slew of good deathrattles/rushes/lifesteals in the game and their immediate impacts on the board. Lifesteal and rush can save the game for you immediately and Deathrattle's are just good tempo. Countess Ashmore>The Curator; yes she may be slower, but the cards she pulls are just better.
Should I craft Hemet the Jungle Hunter or Glinda Crowskin? Both are really fun and worth the craft. I like both Mechathun Priest and Echo Warlock for meme deck.
Should I craft Hemet the Jungle Hunter or Glinda Crowskin? Both are really fun and worth the craft. I like both Mechathun Priest and Echo Warlock for meme deck.
I think it has been attempted, but I don't think it is asked for as much. I listed these guys as recommended neutral crafts for Standard at the bottom of the OP:
Should I craft Hemet the Jungle Hunter or Glinda Crowskin? Both are really fun and worth the craft. I like both Mechathun Priest and Echo Warlock for meme deck.
I think it has been attempted, but I don't think it is asked for as much. I listed these guys as recommended neutral crafts for Standard at the bottom of the OP:
I have all the rest of the important cards for decks like odd warrior, cube/control warlock, secret hunter and taunt/big druid.
Subject 9 Has been seeing a bit of play because it draws like 3+ cards every time; I can't talk for Putricide though, I haven't seen him played since KFT. Godfrey is an auto include in every control lock deck and Rin is too (even though evenlock/zoo is really in still good deck), Darius sees moderate play in rush warrior decks, he's great in those decks but nothing too amazing. Umbra is a niche card, i've been playing death rattle decks for a while and have never used umbra it feels to greedy; Azalina is needed for decks such as togwaggle druid or control warrior so if you like/wanna play those she may be a good craft. Hadronox is amazing in taunt druid, definitely an auto include.
However, what decks to you like to play? For instance, I never liked secret hunter but I love rush warrior so I crafted Darius when I saw him. It's all personal preference, but i'd try the deck you wanna play without the card to see if you like how it plays because nothing would suck more than to craft cards like Subject 9 and Putricide thinking secret hunter is fun and it is just bad.
If I had your situation, I would most likely craft Hadronox for Taunt druid and Azalina, and a few epics/misc cards to fill out control warrior. I miss that deck.
I crafted Hemet for he Mechathun Priest and am totally satisfied. It’s a great deck and helps break up the monotony of the gameplay. It’s capable of beating anything with a good mulligan and some luck on your side. Beating Odd Pally and Zoo feels so great.
I have all the rest of the important cards for decks like odd warrior, cube/control warlock, secret hunter and taunt/big druid.
Subject 9 Has been seeing a bit of play because it draws like 3+ cards every time; I can't talk for Putricide though, I haven't seen him played since KFT. Godfrey is an auto include in every control lock deck and Rin is too (even though evenlock/zoo is really in still good deck), Darius sees moderate play in rush warrior decks, he's great in those decks but nothing too amazing. Umbra is a niche card, i've been playing death rattle decks for a while and have never used umbra it feels to greedy; Azalina is needed for decks such as togwaggle druid or control warrior so if you like/wanna play those she may be a good craft. Hadronox is amazing in taunt druid, definitely an auto include.
However, what decks to you like to play? For instance, I never liked secret hunter but I love rush warrior so I crafted Darius when I saw him. It's all personal preference, but i'd try the deck you wanna play without the card to see if you like how it plays because nothing would suck more than to craft cards like Subject 9 and Putricide thinking secret hunter is fun and it is just bad.
If I had your situation, I would most likely craft Hadronox for Taunt druid and Azalina, and a few epics/misc cards to fill out control warrior. I miss that deck.
So, Subject 9 & Hadronox & Azalina > Godfrey & Rin > Darius > Putricide > Umbra, right?
I already have all the core cards for Odd warrior. The deck feels pretty good, but its match ups are waaay too long sometimes. I feel like Azalina could help me in some control match ups. Darius could be a pretty nice addition but idk if it's necessary.
As for secret hunter, it seems like a very flexible deck to play, but sometimes is just bad because of bad curve draws. Putricide seems fun but probably inconsistent.
I always wanted to play control warlock, but idk which version should be the best (I have even seen some running Mecha'thun package).
Taunt druid seems like a solid deck at any rank.
Personally for me it'd probably be Godfrey, Hadronox & Azalina > Rin, & Subject 9 > Darius > Patricide > Umbra but that's just personal preference; I don't find Hadronox very fun but he's the core of taunt druid which is great at most ranks, Azalina is much needed hand refill in control warrior and combo piece in waggle druid and Godfrey is amazing period. The rest are eh for me but each work in their respective decks, i just feel Putricide is too random/expensive and Umbra is niche.
As far as Darius or Azalina in Odd Warrior, both could really work but they fulfill different rolls; Azalina helps you keep your hand full and may give you a really good hand from a combo opponent or something and Darius is an extra board threat that an opponent MUST remove, if I were between these two i'd probably lean towards Azalina (but I already have and love Darius i just don't use him in control warrior)
Seems like you're talking yourself into secret hunter and odd warrior so my advice is craft what you'd have fun with. I crafted Unite the Murlocs purely because I think its a fun card and leads to an interesting deck design; yes its not competitive but i've never looked back from that craft.
I have collected a great amount of information and statistics from various sources to create the biggest guide about the most useful Legendary cards in the meta game.
Today, 89 legendary cards out of 146 are used in the meta game. 25 of them have less than 1 percent use in the meta game. Only 22 cards have more than 4 percent popularity. As you can see, The Frozen Throne set has the most powerful and necessary legendary cards for laddering. If you want to empower your collection with really strong legendary cards, you should buy it.
And the set with the worst legendary cards is Ungoro. Today, you will not see legendary cards from it in the top 20. I don’t recommend buying this set. The best solution is to craft the most necessary cards.
Both decks seems strong to me, but what is better? More fun to play? More winrate?
Look at it like this...
Keleseth can be used in multiple decks but will rotate out next April with the new year, still safe to craft in my opinion.
Soularium will be around for much longer so depends on how much you like playing warlock.
Alex is Classic so is always in play and neutral so also safe even if it moves to HOF.
Twig will also rotate out but specific to druid.
Question is, how much do you like to play Druid? If you love it then craft twig as it has multiple viable decks. All depends on how much you love the class in my opinion. I personally don’t like druid. I find the class boring so I wouldn’t bother. Completely up to you friend.
I am back with another question: which one should I craft between Hagatha the Witch and Thrall,Deathseer? Only 1600 dust and I miss both pieces in my Evolve Shaman deck.
Well if your a standard player the simple answer is Hagatha the Witch. Its a more flexible card (it fits other shaman decks) and it'll be around ALOT longer in standard. In wild... I have no idea
Hi, im looking for advice on which cards to dust to craft zilliax, 2 shield slams and at least 1 super collider.
I play a bit of both wild and standard so i only kept the fun and pretty good cards that i got before rotation, so dusting wild cards is probably not an option for me, instead, what standard legenderies do you think i can, to some extent, safely dust from my collection, thanks.
Double agree. Zilliax is an amazing card and can provide some real tempo; as a lot of decks out there run at least one mech to magnetize. I run him in all my deathrattle decks because of he's just a good lifesaver with lifesteal. He's by far the best legendary out of Boomsday and will continue to be good because even if future expansions don't provide mech support, this one provided all and more synergy you could ever ask for with him
While I agree with the thought behind this in both of the cards are underplayed; I have to argue that Ashmore is just strictly better than Curator. Comparing Lifesteal/Deathrattle/Rush cards to Murlocs/Beasts/Dragons you can see the difference. Sure you get board presence in Curator immediately, the only notable cards you'll get from him are the dragons as most decks would only run 1/2 and maybe beasts (murlocs only if you're running in a murloc deck then it becomes worse because it pulls a random one) meanwhile look at the slew of good deathrattles/rushes/lifesteals in the game and their immediate impacts on the board. Lifesteal and rush can save the game for you immediately and Deathrattle's are just good tempo. Countess Ashmore>The Curator; yes she may be slower, but the cards she pulls are just better.
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Should I craft Hemet the Jungle Hunter or Glinda Crowskin? Both are really fun and worth the craft. I like both Mechathun Priest and Echo Warlock for meme deck.
is there an epic tier list & crafting guide? xD
That is a close call! I haven't Mecha'thun priest, but filling the board with Molten Giants out of nowhere with Glinda Crowskin is pretty fun!
I think it has been attempted, but I don't think it is asked for as much. I listed these guys as recommended neutral crafts for Standard at the bottom of the OP:
Doomsayer
Faceless Manipulator
Primordial Drake
Voodoo Doll (for control mage and warlock)
Arcane Tyrant
And these including class card for Wild:
Star Aligner (special Wild synergies)
Quartermaster
Mysterious Challenger
Ice Block
Molten Giant
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I would add in the list Mountain Giant, Sea Giant (they always find a place in the meta, plus they are classic) and Mossy Horror.
I think u should craft Spiritsinger Umbra and Azalina Soulthief first. The remaining is your choice of favorite class.
Subject 9 Has been seeing a bit of play because it draws like 3+ cards every time; I can't talk for Putricide though, I haven't seen him played since KFT. Godfrey is an auto include in every control lock deck and Rin is too (even though evenlock/zoo is really in still good deck), Darius sees moderate play in rush warrior decks, he's great in those decks but nothing too amazing. Umbra is a niche card, i've been playing death rattle decks for a while and have never used umbra it feels to greedy; Azalina is needed for decks such as togwaggle druid or control warrior so if you like/wanna play those she may be a good craft. Hadronox is amazing in taunt druid, definitely an auto include.
However, what decks to you like to play? For instance, I never liked secret hunter but I love rush warrior so I crafted Darius when I saw him. It's all personal preference, but i'd try the deck you wanna play without the card to see if you like how it plays because nothing would suck more than to craft cards like Subject 9 and Putricide thinking secret hunter is fun and it is just bad.
If I had your situation, I would most likely craft Hadronox for Taunt druid and Azalina, and a few epics/misc cards to fill out control warrior. I miss that deck.
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I crafted Hemet for he Mechathun Priest and am totally satisfied. It’s a great deck and helps break up the monotony of the gameplay. It’s capable of beating anything with a good mulligan and some luck on your side. Beating Odd Pally and Zoo feels so great.
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Legendary Crafting and Collecting Guide.
I have collected a great amount of information and statistics from various sources to create the biggest guide about the most useful Legendary cards in the meta game.
Today, 89 legendary cards out of 146 are used in the meta game. 25 of them have less than 1 percent use in the meta game. Only 22 cards have more than 4 percent popularity. As you can see, The Frozen Throne set has the most powerful and necessary legendary cards for laddering. If you want to empower your collection with really strong legendary cards, you should buy it.
And the set with the worst legendary cards is Ungoro. Today, you will not see legendary cards from it in the top 20. I don’t recommend buying this set. The best solution is to craft the most necessary cards.
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Full Card List
1 Prince Keleseth - 16,9%, Any (Lp 1 - 18,1%) F. Throne
2 The Lich King - 15,0%, Any (Lp 3 - 13,6%) F. Throne
3 Leeroy Jenkins - 14,4%, Any (Lp 2 - 13,9%) Classic
4 Baku the Mooneater - 13,7%, Any (Lp 4 - 13,4%) Witchwood
5 Zilliax - 12,1%, All (Lp - %) Boomsday
6 [card]Malfurion the Pestilent[/card] - 11,5%, Druid (Lp 5 - 11,7%) F. Throne
7 [card]Deathstalker Rexxar[/card] - 11,4%, Hunter (Lp 6 - 9,8%) F. Throne
8 The Soularium - 10,3%, Warlock (Lp - %) Boomsday
9 Bloodreaver Gul'dan - 8,6%, Warlock (Lp 7 - 8,2%) F. Throne
10 Bloodmage Thalnos - 7,7%, Any (Lp 8 - 7,8%) Classic
11 Alexstrasza - 7,2%, Any (Lp 9 - 6,8%) Classic
12 Flobbidinous Floop - 6,0%, Druid (Lp - %) Boomsday
13 Houndmaster Shaw - 5,9%, Hunter (Lp 11 - 5,3%) Witchwood
14 Stargazer Luna - 5,4%, Mage (Lp - %) Boomsday
15 Genn Greymane - 5,4%, Any (Lp 10 - 5,5%) Witchwood
16 Malygos - 5,2%, Any (Lp 12 - 4,9%) Classic
17 Aluneth - 5,0%, Mage (Lp 12 - 4,9%) Kobolds & C.
18 Lord Godfrey - 4,9%, Warlock (Lp 15 - 4,4%) Witchwood
19 Edwin VanCleef - 4,8%, Rogue (Lp 14 - 4,8%) Classic
20 Dr. Boom - 4,6%, Warrior (Lp - %) Boomsday
21 [card]Twig of the World Tree[/card] - 4,4%, Druid (Lp 18 - 4,0%) Kobolds & C.
22 Valeera the Hollow - 4,0%, Rogue (Lp 17 - 4,2%) F. Throne
23 Skull of the Man'ari - 3,9%, Warlock (Lp 22 - 3,4%) Kobolds & C.
24 The Black Knight - 3,7%, Any (Lp 22 - 3,4%) Classic
25 Hagatha the Witch - 3,5%, Shaman (Lp 16 - 4,2%) Witchwood
26 Rhok'delar - 3,5%, Hunter (Lp 26 - 3,0%) Kobolds & C.
27 Zola the Gorgon - 3,2%, Any (Lp 19 - 3,7%) Kobolds & C.
28 Frost Lich Jaina - 3,2%, Mage (Lp 24 - 3,2%) F. Throne
28 Kalimos - 3,2%, Shaman (Lp 24 - 3,2%) Ungoro
30 [card]Kathrena Winterwisp[/card] - 3,0%, Hunter (Lp 20 - 3,6%) Kobolds & C.
30 King Krush - 3,0%, Hunter (Lp 20 - 3,6%) Classic
32 Baron Geddon - 2,8%, Any (Lp 36 - 1,9%) Classic
33 [card]Dragoncaller Alanna[/card] - 2,7%, Mage (Lp 27 - 2,7%) Kobolds & C.
34 Rin - 2,6%, Warlock (Lp 32 - 2,3%) Kobolds & C.
35 Azalina Soulthief - 2,6%, Any (Lp 27 - 2,7%) Witchwood
36 Kangor's Endless Army - 2,6%, Paladin (Lp - %) Boomsday
37 Myra's Unstable Element - 2,3%, Rogue (Lp - %) Boomsday
38 Electra Stormsurge - 2,3%, Shaman (Lp - %) Boomsday
39 Spiritsinger Umbra - 2,3%, Any (Lp 29 - 2,5%) Ungoro
40 Sunkeeper Tarim - 2,2%, Paladin (Lp 33 - 2,1%) Ungoro
41 Shudderwock - 2,1%, Shaman (Lp 31 - 2,3%) Witchwood
42 Sonya Shadowdancer - 2,0%, Rogue (Lp 33 - 2,1%) Kobolds & C.
43 Mecha'thun - 1,8%, All (Lp - %) Boomsday
44 Darius Crowley - 1,7%, Warrior (Lp 47 - 1,0%) Witchwood
45 King Togwaggle - 1,7%, Any (Lp 37 - 1,8%) Kobolds & C.
46 [card]Elise the Trailblazer[/card] - 1,6%, Any (Lp 29 - 2,5%) Ungoro
46 Floop's Glorious Gloop - 1,6%, Druid (Lp - %) Boomsday
48 [card]Shadowreaper Anduin[/card] - 1,5%, Priest (Lp 38 - 1,6%) F. Throne
49 Tess Greymane - 1,4%, Rogue (Lp 35 - 2,1%) Witchwood
50 Grumble - 1,3%, Shaman (Lp 40 - 1,4%) Kobolds & C.
51 Boommaster Flark - 1,3%, Hunter (Lp - %) Boomsday
52 Tirion Fordring - 1,3%, Paladin (Lp 42 - 1,2%) Classic
53 The Storm Bringer - 1,3%, Shaman (Lp - %) Boomsday
54 Hemet - 1,2%, Any (Lp 52 - 0,9%) Ungoro
55 Ysera - 1,2%, Any (Lp 42 - 1,2%) Classic
56 Thrall - 1,2%, Shaman (Lp 50 - 0,9%) F. Throne
57 Al'Akir the Windlord - 1,2%, Shaman (Lp 42 - 1,2%) Classic
58 Luna's Pocket Galaxy - 1,1%, Mage (Lp - %) Boomsday
59 Harrison Jones - 1,1%, Any (Lp 39 - 1,5%) Classic
59 The Caverns Below - 1,1%, Rogue (Lp 45 - 1,1%) Ungoro
61 [card]Scourgelord Garrosh[/card] - 1,1%, Warrior (Lp 41 - 1,3%) F. Throne
62 Zerek - 1,0%, Priest (Lp - %) Boomsday
63 Awaken the Makers - 1,0%, Priest (Lp 46 - 1,0%) Ungoro
64 King Mosh - 0,9%, Warrior (Lp 67 - 0,0%) Ungoro
65 Countess Ashmore - 0,9%, Any (Lp 47 - 1,0%) Witchwood
66 Geosculptor Yip - 0,8%, Warrior (Lp 49 - 0,9%) Kobolds & C.
67 Fire Plume's Heart - 0,8%, Warrior (Lp 50 - 0,9%) Ungoro
67 Hadronox - 0,8%, Druid (Lp 56 - 0,7%) F. Throne
67 Master Oakheart - 0,8%, Any (Lp 56 - 0,7%) Kobolds & C.
70 [card]Grommash Hellscream[/card] - 0,7%, Warrior (Lp 52 - 0,9%) Classic
70 The Boomship - 0,7%, Warrior (Lp - %) Boomsday
72 Crystalsmith Kangor - 0,7%, Paladin (Lp - %) Boomsday
73 Val'anyr - 0,6%, Paladin (Lp 55 - 0,8%) Kobolds & C.
74 Captain Greenskin - 0,6%, Any (Lp 67 - 0,0%) Classic
74 Kingsbane - 0,6%, Rogue (Lp 67 - 0,0%) Kobolds & C.
76 Lyra the Sunshard - 0,6%, Priest (Lp 54 - 0,8%) Ungoro
77 [card]Uther of the Ebon Blade[/card] - 0,5%, Paladin (Lp 65 - 0,3%) F. Throne
78 Archmage Antonidas - 0,5%, Mage (Lp 58 - 0,6%) Classic
78 The Glass Knight - 0,5%, Paladin (Lp 59 - 0,5%) Witchwood
80 [card]Professor Putricide[/card] - 0,5%, Hunter (Lp 61 - 0,4%) F. Throne
80 Pyros - 0,5%, Mage (Lp 59 - 0,5%) Ungoro
80 Subject 9 - 0,5%, All (Lp - %) Boomsday
83 Tyrantus - 0,4%, Druid (Lp 67 - 0,0%) Ungoro
84 Dragon Soul - 0,4%, Priest (Lp 64 - 0,4%) Kobolds & C.
85 Rotface - 0,4%, Warrior (Lp 61 - 0,4%) F. Throne
85 Woecleaver - 0,4%, Warrior (Lp 61 - 0,4%) Kobolds & C.
85 Zerek's Cloning Gallery - 0,4%, Priest (Lp - %) Boomsday
88 [card]Archbishop Benedictus[/card] - 0,3%, Priest (Lp 65 - 0,3%) F. Throne
88 Cenarius - 0,3%, Druid (Lp 67 - 0,0%) Classic
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Prince Keleseth and The Soularium for Zoolock
or
Twig of the World Tree and Alexstrasza for Malydruid
?
Both decks seems strong to me, but what is better? More fun to play? More winrate?
I'm sorry for my bad english :D
Look at it like this...
Keleseth can be used in multiple decks but will rotate out next April with the new year, still safe to craft in my opinion.
Soularium will be around for much longer so depends on how much you like playing warlock.
Alex is Classic so is always in play and neutral so also safe even if it moves to HOF.
Twig will also rotate out but specific to druid.
Question is, how much do you like to play Druid? If you love it then craft twig as it has multiple viable decks. All depends on how much you love the class in my opinion. I personally don’t like druid. I find the class boring so I wouldn’t bother. Completely up to you friend.
I demand that the redeemer of Hearthstone kind, Yogg Saron be moved to tier 0
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Im thinking of crafting renolock. I need Mal'Ganis, Lord Godfrey and Zola the Gorgon. Which to craft first? I also play renomage.
Mal'ganis is by far the best craft for that deck (and all oter Wild warlocks) but Zola is more versatile card.
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I am back with another question: which one should I craft between Hagatha the Witch and Thrall,Deathseer?
Only 1600 dust and I miss both pieces in my Evolve Shaman deck.
Well if your a standard player the simple answer is Hagatha the Witch. Its a more flexible card (it fits other shaman decks) and it'll be around ALOT longer in standard. In wild... I have no idea
Hi, im looking for advice on which cards to dust to craft zilliax, 2 shield slams and at least 1 super collider.
I play a bit of both wild and standard so i only kept the fun and pretty good cards that i got before rotation, so dusting wild cards is probably not an option for me, instead, what standard legenderies do you think i can, to some extent, safely dust from my collection, thanks.
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What do you mean Millhouse Manastorm is tier 5. It's a turn one OTK card man! It should be a tier 0 card