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    posted a message on Hemet Nessingwary and his win rates

    Hemet Nesingwary is indeed terrible and his stats are nowhere near where you claim them to be. 0% at higher levels so a low sample size does not equal success...

    Hemet, Jungle Hunter is a pretty important deckthinning card for Mecha'thun warlock.

    HSreplay can be trolled, though, if you put him in a solid odd-deck, you can probably get to a 50+ winrate up to rank 5...

     

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    posted a message on Legendary Tier List & Crafting Guide

    All of them in the standard section along with some more updates, thanks to HoraceStapleton.

    Unseal the Vault To tier 3
    Activate the Obelisk To tier 4
    Octosari To tier 3
    Colossus of the Moon To tier 4
    Bazaar Burglary To tier 3
    Untapped Potential To tier 2
    Da Undatakah Tier 3 to 2
    King Krush Tier 4 to 3
    Tess Greymane Tier 4 to 3
    Hex Lord Malacrass Tier 4 to 2
    Halazzi, the Lynx Tier 4 to 3
    Princess Talanji Tier 4 to 5

    Next up is further polish following feedback here and the meta and placing the new cards which deserve to be in tier 1-3 of the Wild section.

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    posted a message on Legendary Tier List & Crafting Guide

    One thing I noticed is that Tier 4 seems extremely large, and I think it's really being used as a dumping ground for legendaries which should be either higher or lower. I suggest the following edits:

    Supreme Archaeology really should be in Tier 5. It's comparable to Fel Lord Betrug: both of them have a similar playrate, they see play in the same types of decks, but Fel Lord Betrug has a slightly higher winrate despite being Tier 5. They should be placed together.

    Good points, but I think it is wise to wait a bit on placing new cards in tier 5 right away. The worst quests will probably be demoted in a month's time or so, but remember they can possibly be buffed as well!

    Lucentbark can be moved up to Tier 3. It's a common choice in Quest Druid and performs respectably there. Yes, it has a low winrate, but that's because said winrate is diluted by those terrible Heal Druid decks from last expansion.

    Not even the best quest Druid decks with Lucentbark crack a 50% winrate so far but yes, there is potential, and I will mention it in the description. A card and archetype to watch!

    Nozari should also be in Tier 5. Low winrate? Check. Low playrate? Check. Archetype it was designed for performing horribly? Check. Inability to fit into currently existing Paladin archetypes? Check. This card really has no redeeming qualities and I can't see much of a justification for placing it above ANY RoS legendary (hell, even Tak Nozwhisker saw fringe play in Pogo Rogue).

    IMO, the synergy with High Priest Thekal alone is enough to keep him out of tier 5. Note that the effect can also be powerful in tavern brawls, single player missions etc, so I would not recommend dusting him unless you are EXTREMELY desperate.

    Hex Lord Malacrass got a massive facelift this expansion: enough for him to be placed in Tier 2. He's got a spectacular winrate, he frequently sees play in Highlander Mage (and Reno the Relicologist is Tier 1, mind you), and he helps alleviate one of the biggest weaknesses of Highlander decks: the lack of duplicates. He can even give you extra Renos and Zephryses!

    Yes, thanks.

    Halazzi, the Lynx has always been criminally underrated and underplayed, and with SoU I think it's time to move him to Tier 3. He's usable in pretty much any Hunter archetype, and he's got a decent winrate to boot. If you decide to put Unseal the Vault in Tier 3 (which you should do), Halazzi should join it there, since Halazzi is a staple in Quest Hunter as well as being a usable option in other Hunter decks.

    Promoted to tier 3.

    Princess Talanji should honestly be Tier 5. She's got a bad playrate and a REALLY bad winrate, and she hasn't really seen any play ever since she was released. The explanation blurb says she "really struggles to find a home after the standard rotation", but did she really have much of a home before?

    Yes, she is actually that bad and should probably have been demoted earlier. Moved to tier 5.

    The Boomship isn't THAT bad; I'd put it in Tier 3 along with its buddy Mecha'thun. Both these cards can really be grouped together, since they only really see play in Mecha'thun Warrior, but are both good choices for that deck.

    The Boomship is acutally doing worse after the release. Remember that Mecha'thun is neutral.

    As for the Witchwood legendaries, Tess Greymane and Face Collector seem to be doing well enough in Quest Rogue that they should be moved up to Tier 3. Quest Rogue in particular is, IMO, a better archetype than the data suggests, since a lot of the weaker builds are running terrible cards like Pilfer and Spirit of the Shark, which really bring down the average winrate.

    Yes, the best decks are doing ok. Tess Greymane is promoted and could be looking at tier 2 in the future but Face Collector is not nearly as strong nor important for the archetype.

    Lastly, King Krush is also good enough for Tier 3. It's a solid finisher in Highlander Hunter and Secret Hunter, and it also has a positive winrate. I have personally used King Krush myself in various Hunter decks and have always been impressed by its performance.

    Yes, promoted.

    Also worth mentioning: a lot of Rastakhan legendaries are erroneously being listed as Rise of Shadows legendaries, which reinforces my idea that Tier 4 is not really being paid much attention to right now. I'd also say that dropping Captain Hooktusk all the way down to Tier 4 strikes me as a liiiiiiiiiiiiittle excessive, but I guess she's got a low playrate, so whatever.

     Yes, Captain Hooktusk has fallen out of flavour. 2 cards moved, I hope it is correct now!

    On to place the last few legendaries!

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    posted a message on Legendary Tier List & Crafting Guide
    Quote from user-17030651 >>

    Isn’t time to finally put The Black Knight in tier 4?

    I’ve never encountered one, not even in the Litch King days, and never put him in any deck as a ‘tech’ choice. 

    I always wondered why he keeps showing up in lists higher than numbers and reality would suggest.

    Nostalgia maybe?

     

     

    No, he is actually doing better now than pre release. With Zilliax in almost every deck and 10-10 Ancient of Wars being a common sight he sits comfortably in tier 3.

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    posted a message on New Neutral Legendary Card Revealed - King Phaoris

    Yup, you got that one! The meta is slow enough for cards like that to be good.

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    posted a message on Legendary Tier List & Crafting Guide

    *stealth edit*

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    posted a message on Legendary Tier List & Crafting Guide

    More updates, will place the rest in my next session.
    Dark Pharaoh Tekahn To tier 3
    High Priest Amet To tier 2
    Making Mummies To tier 2
    King Phaoris To tier 1
    Vessina To tier 2
    Dinotamer Brann To tier 1
    Sir Finley of the Sands To tier 2
    Arch-Villain Rafaam Tier 2 to 4
    Chef Nomi Tier 3 to 2

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    posted a message on Legendary Tier List & Crafting Guide
    Quote from samuellima91 >>

    Harrison Jones isn't seeing much play right now, but once people realise that Bomb Warrior is the best counter to highlander decks, he will probably appear again (this time on "no duplicate" decks) as an answer to Wrenchcalibur.

    True, but he does not deserve tier 1 status, that was a result of being exceptionally strong previously and being promoted.

    He is back to tier 2.

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    posted a message on Legendary Tier List & Crafting Guide

    More updates on older cards, thanks to SnoderFaner for these:
    Swampqueen Hagatha Tier 2 to 3
    Vereesa Windrunner Tier 3 to 4
    High Priest Thekal Tier 2 to 3
    The Boomship Tier 3 to 4
    Darius Crowley Tier 1 to 2
    Floop's Glorious Gloop Tier 3 to 4
    Grommash Hellscream Tier 3 to 2
    Flobbidinous Floop Tier 4 to 3
    Captain Hooktusk Tier 2 to 4
    Zentimo Tier 2 to 4


    • Zephrys the Great - Must have in highlander decks. Great even in regular decks that draw out the duplicates.

    Yes, I am adding one, the card is really good, and is even played in decks that are thinning rather than straight up Highlander.

    Thanks for the feedback to psychechan too, I will look into it. Please note that I am very reluctant to place cards in tier 5 as I HATE to promote them from there (even though it is some times unavoidable because of weird new synergies.) Also, some cards that seem to have fallen out of flavour have found new homes.

    For Luna's Pocket Galaxy, I am a bit on the fence of tier 1, as one would have to move all the other lengendaries which should be considered staples in higlander mage as well. I feel we should wait a bit to make sure the deck is THAT strong.

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    posted a message on Legendary Tier List & Crafting Guide

    Reno the Relicologist To tier 1
    Raid the Sky Temple To tier 4
    Supreme Archaeology To tier 4
    Anka, the Buried To tier 5

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    posted a message on Legendary Tier List & Crafting Guide

    Some more updates, getting there slowly but surely!
    Bloodmage Thalnos Tier 1 to 2
    Alexstrasza Tier 2 to 1
    Armagedillo To tier 1
    Siamat To tier 1
    Corrupt the Waters To tier 2

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    posted a message on Legendary Tier List & Crafting Guide

    Some updates have now started to tick in, including the first SoU card being placed:
    Wardruid Loti Tier 3 to 2
    Barista Lynchen
    Zephrys the Great To tier 1
    Cenarius Tier 3 to 2

    Feedback appreciated as always!

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    posted a message on Legendary Tier List & Crafting Guide
    Quote from Highwayman37 >>
    Quote from Superkowboj1 >>

    Right now, Wardruid Loti is almost a staple in any druid deck, from token to highlander quest. I know it is a little early to say something like this, but I think she should be moved from tier 3 to tier 2.

    Agreed.  A few legendaries have found new homes of late including Loti, Hex Lord Malacrass, Flobbidinous Floop, Grommash, Cenarius.  Busy time for SlydE :)

    Yes it is... At least I you can see I have done something, adding some expected quite wide tiers.

    The legendaries of this expansion seem like the most powerful since I started making this guide soon 2 years ago, and they might even rival MSG and KFT for overall power in standard.

    One quite challenging part of an expansion is finding winners and especially losers among other cards.

    Thanks for the feedback. My first craft was Armagedillo and he has not disappointed me!

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    posted a message on Most powerful deck so far??
    Quote from TardisGreen >>
    Quote from SlydE >>

    HS Replay statistics can't really be taken too literally.  Just ask all the people who thought Rafaam was good in Zoo.

    Rafaam never had a good "played" winrate in zoo, but the decks with him still did better than the ones without because he would turn some certain losses into wins. He is also a meta call.

    I don't even look at the Played Win Rate column.  Leeroy must have one of the highest played win rates in HS, but it's not that good.  Etc.

    But more to point, a bug in HSR stats led people to believe that Rafaam was a keep in the mulligan vs Warrior.  How did they screw up this bad?  They explain it in a recent article on the site.  But you probably know all this.

    There is a difference between data and information.  Statistics allows one to transform data into information, but there are a minimal set of requirements that have to be followed in order to do this.  The data on HSR does not adhere to these requirements.  And this is assuming that it is being calculated correctly.

    I did not know about that bug, I will check it out.

    Working with the crafting guide, I have spent a substantial amount of time turning HSreplay number into crafting advice. The most common "bug" is that cards get carried to a high deck winrate by a strong archetype they can be used in while actually making that archetype worse. I think comparing winrates of decks with and without a certain card can sort most of that out, which is what I did trying to evaluate Rafaam.

    The most problematic using hsreplay for choosing a deck is that your opponents at higher levels will do the same and counter you. Pretty often, there is a lag which makes the best decks weaker in the real world. As for "played" winrates they often give useful information, especially for lategame cards that are not combo pieces or finishers (like leeroy) and tech cards (which usually perform worse than expected.)

    Control warrior is a very strong deck atm, 65% winrate is very high for a popular deck, even just after a release.

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    posted a message on Most powerful deck so far??

    HS Replay statistics can't really be taken too literally.  Just ask all the people who thought Rafaam was good in Zoo.

    Rafaam never had a good "played" winrate in zoo, but the decks with him still did better than the ones without because he would turn some certain losses into wins. He is also a meta call.

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