The timing of the Flametongue nerf is unfortunate for Shaman, but it's something that should have happened a long time ago. I wonder if this spells the end of Odd Rogue. Equality goes the way of Blade Fury. But I think there's a good chance that it still is played. I think it really hurts Even Paladin though. Hunter's Mark is a fair nerf. I can't believe that card used to be 0 mana. Emerald Spellstone is a nice change. Waiting a full turn more is very impactful. The curve can no longer be Trap on 2, Trap on 3, coin spellstone. Or spellstone into Rexxar.
Rogue is dead, all rogue use cold blood and they really need the buff often to close games.
All paladins with eq is dead, the card cant be replaced and u will need to replace 6 cards in the deck and there isnt any that can do that.
Shaman is dead, flametongue made up for the worst heropower in the game.
Hunters mark is ok, but not needed and was often in the pool for first cards to cut.
spellstone is a good nerf.
Res priest has no counters besides quest rogue now, they can even survive hunters now.
Sure, you ****ING ****** make coldblood completely unplayable, nerf hunter's mark which nobody ever complained about, and equality ? lmfao.. Flametongue totem ?? Might as well right ? not like the card has been fine for years right. Good card sure but broken ?
Meanwhile you keep Barnes unchecked. Blizzard logic 2019.
Cold Blood - The card is now absolute trash and unplayable.
Hunter's Mark - Nobody ever asked for a nerf, good card that's been around for years, I don't see any problem with it.
Flametongue Totem - Same as Hunter's mark.
Equality - Why 4 mana ? Is it because you want the card to be even ? The card would be balanced at 3 mana and I don't think anyone has ever asked for a nerf, it's very powerful but it helps control/midrange paladin decks.. why do you want to nerf those decks ? At least it ain't a dumbass Baku aggro deck.
Emerald Spellstone - The only nerf I 100% agree with, at 5 mana it was just retarded and won games on its own, at 6 it's more reasonable and still good.
Meanwhile blizzard thinks Barnes is a fun and balanced card!!!! This is what frustrates me the most. Why ? Because the card's interaction with resurrect effects is just completely retarded and broken. It's the kind of card that just wins you the game almost instantly if you have it on turn 4, horrible design. It's a card that rewards pure luck over anything else.
My hot take is that this is going to push those nasty OTK decks even more to the fore by nerfing the decks that counter them. Combo decks are already strong, and aggressive decks like Odd Rogue, Even Shaman, and Hunter are the only things keeping them in check. I'm not really looking forward to seeing Clone Priest, Mecha'thun, and OTK Pally all over ladder for the next couple of months.
Eh I'm not worried. Mecha'thun and Shirvallah pally are both destroyed by Hakkar so that's an easy tech choice. Clone priest is another story, but anything that messes with their res pool is a good tech in and there's a lot of neutral options as well as some class options for this.
Since some months ago I started to save copies of cards that i thought might get nerfed.
At the moment I'm sitting with 3 copies of Lesser Emerald Spellstone and 3 copies of Cold Blood. Should I dust my copies of the Spellstone knowing that my main deck to climb is secret hunter? I even crafted Zul'jin for it
I think each of the nerfs is reasonable except for equality. That seems to have come out of nowhere, to be honest. A two-card board clear (that clears your own board with Pyro) is hardly oppressive.
But I don’t think this is just about selling packs. The first nerf of the RR meta maybe was, but this is the time of year when nerfs hit.
Cold Blood - The card is now absolute trash and unplayable.
Hunter's Mark - Nobody ever asked for a nerf, good card that's been around for years, I don't see any problem with it.
Flametongue Totem - Same as Hunter's mark.
Equality - Why 4 mana ? Is it because you want the card to be even ? The card would be balanced at 3 mana and I don't think anyone has ever asked for a nerf, it's very powerful but it helps control/midrange paladin decks.. why do you want to nerf those decks ? At least it ain't a dumbass Baku aggro deck.
Emerald Spellstone - The only nerf I 100% agree with, at 5 mana it was just ******** and won games on its own, at 6 it's more reasonable and still good.
Meanwhile blizzard thinks Barnes is a fun and balanced card!!!! This is what frustrates me the most. Why ? Because the card's interaction with resurrect effects is just completely ******** and broken. It's the kind of card that just wins you the game almost instantly if you have it on turn 4, horrible design. It's a card that rewards pure luck over anything else.
The reason why they kept equality at an even cost is because they probably don't ever want it in odd paladin which I can see why.
I completely agree that it's absolutely ridiculous how Barnes is still untouched after all this time.
with spell stone going to 6, i wonder if , until the rotation hits, a viable Even Hunter will emerge ?both Hero Cards are even after all and a 1 cost 2 damage ping on nearly every turn can build up in damage
Ok thinking about the nerfs for a while I think this is gonna happen in a few months:
Tier 1 Odd or Even deck will emerge/be good for some time ---> classic card will be nerfed because of it.
3 of these cards were nerfed because of Genn Greymane or Baku the Mooneater. They are clearly problematic for the game but Blizzard isn't willing to admit.
I am so glad I've stopped playing this game. Trash developers that gave zero idea what they are doing. It has not been fun since standafd became a thing and they are only making it worse.
I tend to play control heavy decks and I really like paladin so for me the nerf to equality is devastating. As I´ve read before in this thread I agree that the 4 mana full board clear with Pyro is super strong but it requires two cards. Also the deathrattle for all of them trigger and divine shield minions survive, so I believe it was balance. A 4 mana equality is almost unplayable. I hope they give some love to control paladin next expansion. And I do want to say that I understand that at 2 mana it made even paladin a bit too good.
The nerf to hunter´s spellstone has taken too long, most spellstones tend to go from mediocre, to good and super good when you upgrade them but hunters was good, super good and broken when fully upgraded and it is one of the easiest to upgrade. Also it is a proactive one, Warlock spellstone is super good also but it is reactive and that makes it more balanced.
And the hit to flametongue should have been done during Patches meta, that was the last meta in which this card was a real problem.
And at last I wanted to share with you a feeling I am getting now that we have nerfs every two months. Now that they are nerfing a lot it makes me feel like they can´t balance things and it´s gonna make me feel like everything I play against that is good is unfair and should be nerf, resulting in some frustation, I don´t know if anyone can relate to this.
Sorry if there are any mistakes, english is not my first language.
EDIT: That's not a dig at the OP - but the idea that all the above nerfs are reasonable, when they clearly aren't. Some are dubious, but ok, I guess. (CB and ES). But the other 3? And Equality? Really? I hate the card as much as anyone, but when there is a 5-mana version that also sets the attack to 1 as well, then you know there's a bit of a mistake making it 4 mana.
EDIT: That's not a dig at the OP - but the idea that all the above nerfs are reasonable, when they clearly aren't. Some are dubious, but ok, I guess. (CB and ES). But the other 3? And Equality? Really? I hate the card as much as anyone, but when there is a 5-mana version that also sets the attack to 1 as well, then you know there's a bit of a mistake making it 4 mana.
Lol. The clown fiesta continueth...
They aren't done yet either. They are going to nerf all of the classic and basic cards. That way you HAVE to play with all of the newer expansions and pay pay pay. Druid is basically unplayable as a ramp class now. One of the few things that made them different than other classes. Shaman was a token style aggro deck and now that is done too with other changes in the past.
#BuildDecksWithBasicAndClassicCardsOnly - that will show them. Bring these decks to tournaments. Everyone protest and they will have no choice but to nerf all of the classic and basic cards. Go us!
EDIT: That's not a dig at the OP - but the idea that all the above nerfs are reasonable, when they clearly aren't. Some are dubious, but ok, I guess. (CB and ES). But the other 3? And Equality? Really? I hate the card as much as anyone, but when there is a 5-mana version that also sets the attack to 1 as well, then you know there's a bit of a mistake making it 4 mana.
Lol. The clown fiesta continueth...
You can laugh and say they aren't reasonable, but you didn't say why? All you provided was snark. And 4 mana is cheaper than 5 mana, so the 5 mana card is better. Not sure what the point was.
Rogue is dead, all rogue use cold blood and they really need the buff often to close games.
All paladins with eq is dead, the card cant be replaced and u will need to replace 6 cards in the deck and there isnt any that can do that.
Shaman is dead, flametongue made up for the worst heropower in the game.
Hunters mark is ok, but not needed and was often in the pool for first cards to cut.
spellstone is a good nerf.
Res priest has no counters besides quest rogue now, they can even survive hunters now.
PLEASE NERF MORE
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Sure, you ****ING ****** make coldblood completely unplayable, nerf hunter's mark which nobody ever complained about, and equality ? lmfao.. Flametongue totem ?? Might as well right ? not like the card has been fine for years right. Good card sure but broken ?
Meanwhile you keep Barnes unchecked. Blizzard logic 2019.
Cold Blood - The card is now absolute trash and unplayable.
Hunter's Mark - Nobody ever asked for a nerf, good card that's been around for years, I don't see any problem with it.
Flametongue Totem - Same as Hunter's mark.
Equality - Why 4 mana ? Is it because you want the card to be even ? The card would be balanced at 3 mana and I don't think anyone has ever asked for a nerf, it's very powerful but it helps control/midrange paladin decks.. why do you want to nerf those decks ? At least it ain't a dumbass Baku aggro deck.
Emerald Spellstone - The only nerf I 100% agree with, at 5 mana it was just retarded and won games on its own, at 6 it's more reasonable and still good.
Meanwhile blizzard thinks Barnes is a fun and balanced card!!!! This is what frustrates me the most. Why ? Because the card's interaction with resurrect effects is just completely retarded and broken. It's the kind of card that just wins you the game almost instantly if you have it on turn 4, horrible design. It's a card that rewards pure luck over anything else.
Eh I'm not worried. Mecha'thun and Shirvallah pally are both destroyed by Hakkar so that's an easy tech choice. Clone priest is another story, but anything that messes with their res pool is a good tech in and there's a lot of neutral options as well as some class options for this.
Since some months ago I started to save copies of cards that i thought might get nerfed.
At the moment I'm sitting with 3 copies of Lesser Emerald Spellstone and 3 copies of Cold Blood. Should I dust my copies of the Spellstone knowing that my main deck to climb is secret hunter? I even crafted Zul'jin for it
I think each of the nerfs is reasonable except for equality. That seems to have come out of nowhere, to be honest. A two-card board clear (that clears your own board with Pyro) is hardly oppressive.
But I don’t think this is just about selling packs. The first nerf of the RR meta maybe was, but this is the time of year when nerfs hit.
The reason why they kept equality at an even cost is because they probably don't ever want it in odd paladin which I can see why.
I completely agree that it's absolutely ridiculous how Barnes is still untouched after all this time.
with spell stone going to 6, i wonder if , until the rotation hits, a viable Even Hunter will emerge ?both Hero Cards are even after all and a 1 cost 2 damage ping on nearly every turn can build up in damage
Ok thinking about the nerfs for a while I think this is gonna happen in a few months:
Tier 1 Odd or Even deck will emerge/be good for some time ---> classic card will be nerfed because of it.
3 of these cards were nerfed because of Genn Greymane or Baku the Mooneater. They are clearly problematic for the game but Blizzard isn't willing to admit.
in a way all these nerfs make some kinda sense, the spellstone one is probably the only one necessary
just seems very odd and ridiculous to change cards that have been in the game for 5,5 years
2k dust, I'm glad.
I am really mad about the fact that they only do mana nerfs it's like they can't nerf in any other way??
flametongue- 2 hp.
spellstone- summoning one less wolf per upgrade
cold blood 2-3 damage buff.
equality and hunters mark can't be nerfed in other ways I guess but it's very lazy to nerf stuff only like this..
it's weird I was sure I had a golden equality, oh well..
I am so glad I've stopped playing this game. Trash developers that gave zero idea what they are doing. It has not been fun since standafd became a thing and they are only making it worse.
grear nerfs! they are fixing the classic set wich is broken af.
next year is gonna be awesome
I tend to play control heavy decks and I really like paladin so for me the nerf to equality is devastating. As I´ve read before in this thread I agree that the 4 mana full board clear with Pyro is super strong but it requires two cards. Also the deathrattle for all of them trigger and divine shield minions survive, so I believe it was balance. A 4 mana equality is almost unplayable. I hope they give some love to control paladin next expansion. And I do want to say that I understand that at 2 mana it made even paladin a bit too good.
The nerf to hunter´s spellstone has taken too long, most spellstones tend to go from mediocre, to good and super good when you upgrade them but hunters was good, super good and broken when fully upgraded and it is one of the easiest to upgrade. Also it is a proactive one, Warlock spellstone is super good also but it is reactive and that makes it more balanced.
And the hit to flametongue should have been done during Patches meta, that was the last meta in which this card was a real problem.
And at last I wanted to share with you a feeling I am getting now that we have nerfs every two months. Now that they are nerfing a lot it makes me feel like they can´t balance things and it´s gonna make me feel like everything I play against that is good is unfair and should be nerf, resulting in some frustation, I don´t know if anyone can relate to this.
Sorry if there are any mistakes, english is not my first language.
*Waiting for the laughter track....*
EDIT: That's not a dig at the OP - but the idea that all the above nerfs are reasonable, when they clearly aren't.
Some are dubious, but ok, I guess. (CB and ES).
But the other 3? And Equality? Really? I hate the card as much as anyone, but when there is a 5-mana version that also sets the attack to 1 as well, then you know there's a bit of a mistake making it 4 mana.
Lol. The clown fiesta continueth...
They aren't done yet either. They are going to nerf all of the classic and basic cards. That way you HAVE to play with all of the newer expansions and pay pay pay. Druid is basically unplayable as a ramp class now. One of the few things that made them different than other classes. Shaman was a token style aggro deck and now that is done too with other changes in the past.
#BuildDecksWithBasicAndClassicCardsOnly - that will show them. Bring these decks to tournaments. Everyone protest and they will have no choice but to nerf all of the classic and basic cards. Go us!
You can laugh and say they aren't reasonable, but you didn't say why? All you provided was snark.
And 4 mana is cheaper than 5 mana, so the 5 mana card is better. Not sure what the point was.
They also should nerf Brawl to 6 mana, because it is better than Enter the Coliseum and costs 1 less, how come, Blizzard?