If offered a wrath weaver, I usually go Wrathwaver, tier up, turn golden + buy demon. It's usually good enough for a T4. Especially if you can hit a gold grubber.
I agree with most of what you said but I think you are wrong to confuse random card generation with luck. That may seem oxymoronic, but as in all games with chance, it is about manipulating randomness to favor you more often than not. Rogue requires dozens of seemingly insignificant decisions and orderings that quickly separate skill ranges amongst players. While there is random generation, I think it requires a great deal of skill to play at an elite level.
Having said that, Mage is far gone. Once you are able to play it optimally, it becomes complete chance. Basically, at high legend, Mage is crapshoot because for a very good player it is easy to play outside of one or two big decisions throughout a game.
Druid is an understandable complaint, I'm indifferent about it but I can accept that it is not very fun to play against.
Priest is certainly heavily RNG based, but the class as a whole is not too strong that it's a significant issue for me.
FWIW, I actually didn't use the word luck at all. I think you are reading it into what I said.
Managing RNG is always going to be a part of this game, and it is important. But it's all a spectrum. And right now, myself and many others feel that many classes in the game are too far on the Lots of Game-Deciding RNG side of the spectrum.
I think what vS said in their most recent podcast is true: many of these classes are so dependent on random card generation because they don't actually have a way to kill their opponents. Actions like HOF-ing Leeroy and Mind Blast, and nerfing Cold Blood exacerbated this problem. Getting rid of them was fine, but they didn't replace those cards (yet) with ones that actually do things to end games.
It's not the best. It's not the worst. A lot of decks just don't "feel" good, and that's the sticking point for a lot of people. I know it is for me.
The only playable classes that aren't heavily reliant on various forms of RNG are Warrior and Demon Hunter.
Highlander decks are singletons and DQA is one of the biggest RNG problems in the game. Druid is incredibly dependent on hitting ramp early. Priest, Rogue, and Mage are RNG fiestas.
Paladin, Shaman, and recently Warlock are really underpowered compared to the other classes.
I don't think she's one of the best heroes, but she's probably in that low-B to C tier. I don't think she's necessarily worse than Millie, Reno, or Ysera, for example.
Let's keep in mind that this is the guy who thinks: -Murlocs win every lobby, but they are not viable at all. But also Megasaur is a problem. -Illidan is a top tier hero. - Only now has randomness been a thing in BG.
Any BG thread is basically his own personal salt thread.
I disagree. All the Setup they need is just so laborious to pull off. The Taunt is Shit, the Buff Pirate is kinda useless if you dont have the "Infinite" Build. Sometimes they can be good. And with a Hero like Edvin the "Infinite Build" and maybe a Hydra is ultra n1 and Fun. But still--- in the End, too much Setup, too hard to grow compared to other Classes.
He said top 4, not game winning. Pirates are strong enough in the midgame that they can usually carry you to Top 4.
Is anyone else experiencing insane frame drops/lag in Battlegrounds? It ran smoothly before the new patch, but now halfway through any game of Battlegrounds that I play I experience massive frame drops. One battle was so slow that my entire turn got skipped. I have to close the game and reopen it every few turns if I want to have any chance of taking my turn at all. Anybody else have this issue?
I believe Kibler said that he thinks it's a result of some worldwide DDoS attacks that are ongoing atm. But yes, I've had this problem as well.
Tribe specific heroes actually got better because they only appear when your tribe appears. And Jaraxxus got a buff. Demons, as a tribe are kind of weak right now though. So better? Yes. Good? still not my first choice.
This nerf directly impacts the top 3 of the top 5 highest w/r cards in the deck (and arguably 4 - Itself, Altruis, Battlefiend, and Sayter). DH is going to need to go back to the drawing board.
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Having so many health buffers is problematic. There are 3 right now.
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vS calls it Aggro DH, which is more accurate.
I believe the "Tempo" part is a hold over from before nerfs when more cards cost 0 and Antean and Priestess were still played.
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If offered a wrath weaver, I usually go Wrathwaver, tier up, turn golden + buy demon. It's usually good enough for a T4. Especially if you can hit a gold grubber.
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FWIW, I actually didn't use the word luck at all. I think you are reading it into what I said.
Managing RNG is always going to be a part of this game, and it is important. But it's all a spectrum. And right now, myself and many others feel that many classes in the game are too far on the Lots of Game-Deciding RNG side of the spectrum.
I think what vS said in their most recent podcast is true: many of these classes are so dependent on random card generation because they don't actually have a way to kill their opponents. Actions like HOF-ing Leeroy and Mind Blast, and nerfing Cold Blood exacerbated this problem. Getting rid of them was fine, but they didn't replace those cards (yet) with ones that actually do things to end games.
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It's not the best. It's not the worst. A lot of decks just don't "feel" good, and that's the sticking point for a lot of people. I know it is for me.
The only playable classes that aren't heavily reliant on various forms of RNG are Warrior and Demon Hunter.
Highlander decks are singletons and DQA is one of the biggest RNG problems in the game.
Druid is incredibly dependent on hitting ramp early.
Priest, Rogue, and Mage are RNG fiestas.
Paladin, Shaman, and recently Warlock are really underpowered compared to the other classes.
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Alternatively, there should be more poison. Why isn't venomizer in this game yet?
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I don't think she's one of the best heroes, but she's probably in that low-B to C tier. I don't think she's necessarily worse than Millie, Reno, or Ysera, for example.
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Let's keep in mind that this is the guy who thinks:
-Murlocs win every lobby, but they are not viable at all. But also Megasaur is a problem.
-Illidan is a top tier hero.
- Only now has randomness been a thing in BG.
Any BG thread is basically his own personal salt thread.
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He said top 4, not game winning. Pirates are strong enough in the midgame that they can usually carry you to Top 4.
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One thing about Jaraxxus is he's one of the workable TT1 strats. Probably an easy walk to top 4.
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That dude just complains about everything. Nothing is good except for the 1 thing he things is good at the moment. And that 1 thing changes daily.
Like, he literally contradicted himself one day later.
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I just got second with her playing Demons. Basically guaranteed golden Wrathweavers and Soul Jugglers.
It also helps that the Demon endgame is at TT5, so being behind in tiers is not as punishing.
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I believe Kibler said that he thinks it's a result of some worldwide DDoS attacks that are ongoing atm. But yes, I've had this problem as well.
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Tribe specific heroes actually got better because they only appear when your tribe appears. And Jaraxxus got a buff. Demons, as a tribe are kind of weak right now though. So better? Yes. Good? still not my first choice.
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This nerf directly impacts the top 3 of the top 5 highest w/r cards in the deck (and arguably 4 - Itself, Altruis, Battlefiend, and Sayter). DH is going to need to go back to the drawing board.