Madame Lazul looks to be better than tier 5. Due to the changes in the priest class, more people are trying highlander and non-res based priests and the card finds its way into some of them. At the very worst, tier 4, I'd say.
Maiev is a boring card and my personal disappointment of the set. Sure it feels good removing a big minion for a turn or two but thats like pissing your self just to keep warm.
Maiev is a boring card and my personal disappointment of the set. Sure it feels good removing a big minion for a turn or two but thats like pissing your self just to keep warm.
Although the effect is temporary, it is still a very strong card in a lot of decks and situations. "Fun" has generally not been an important criteria for this guide.
Also thanks for feedback, there are unfortunately quite a few "bugs" in the list right after a big rotation, thanks for all help finding them!
I think Sathrovarr in standard would be in "Playable" at most, since Shirvallah, the Tiger isn't in standard, and Holy Wrath doesn't have nearly as good of targets now.
I think Sathrovarr in standard would be in "Playable" at most, since Shirvallah, the Tiger isn't in standard, and Holy Wrath doesn't have nearly as good of targets now.
Sathrovarr is an insanely greedy card. He requires some sort of mana cheat to be playable. Right now, in standard, he is only playable in highlander decks or Druid.
Druid can ramp really fast and get into a better position to play him early, but there's only two possible synergies: Lucentbark and Ysera, Unleashed. Lucentbark is a sticky minion and you can revive him with Crystal Power for 1 mana and then follow up with Sathrovarr. The dream portals from Ysera usually only pop during your turn (since it's unlikely that your opponent will force you to draw cards). That means you can copy any valuable dragons freely (as long as you are not under heavy pressure).
Outside of Druid, i only see him working in highlander decks (since you get 0-cost dragons from Alex) and Quest Warlock/Handlock (quest reward/The Dark Portal highroll). There's Bloodboil Brute and Sea Giant as mana cheat cards but those are incredibly hard to set up (and warrior prefers tempo plays now). So, in my opinion, he should be placed in tier 4 or tier 5. There's no good reason to play him in any deck, at the moment. He is just too slow and greedy.
Akama is a good card to fill 3 drop slot but not necessary I would place it to tier 2.
Shadowjeweler Hanar is easily tier 1 lol and it is extremely annoying for opponent especially when you chose secrets to protect hanar.
Astromancer Solarian tier 1 it is solid drop for mage except spell mage archetype.
Evocation This is solid tier two the reason is too much rng it sometimes doesn't generate the answer you seek also useless at early game. You can see that in the winrates most people use this too seek answer but doesn't give one. but it doesn't mean very bad card it is still usefull sometimes.
Natalie Seline This is worst than flick I don't play priest but this comes to my hand too often 8 mana is a little bit expensive for a removal and most of the time hp gain will just provide regular stats like 8 mana 8/8, 8/7 etc. if this would be taunt it would be solid tier one tho
I didn't play the rest yet. I don't have opinion on them
Madame Lazul looks to be better than tier 5. Due to the changes in the priest class, more people are trying highlander and non-res based priests and the card finds its way into some of them. At the very worst, tier 4, I'd say.
Thanks for keeping this list updated!
Tier 4 is way to low. In highlander priest works amazingly. But I'm still mad at the devs for not making it a 2/3. I would say tier 2.5
Akama - Tier 4 (Good in stealth Rogue decks or as deck filler) Keli'dan the Breaker - Tier 4 (The board clear effect is unreliable but the hard removal for untargetable minions is an OK tech option) Shadowjeweler Hanar - Tier 1 (Staple in secret rogue builds) Astromancer Solarian - Tier 2 (Good card for all except spell only mage deck but the effect is too random to be considered tier 1) Evocation - Tier 2 (Good card for all mage deck but the effect is too random to be considered tier 1) Soul Mirror - Tier 1 (Important removal for priest since mass hysteria is out of the meta) Teron Gorefiend - Tier 1 (Great in all aggressive deathrattle builds) Archspore Msshi'fn - Tier 3 (Decent card in big druid decks or as deck filler) Kael'thas Sunstrider - Tier 2 (After Nerfs it will still be strong in OTK/Combo builds) Zixor, Apex Predator - Tier 1 (Great in multiple hunter decks) Murgur Murgurgle - Tier 2 (Good card in murloc paladin) Al'ar - Tier 5 (Great for a meme deck) Beastmaster Leoroxx - Tier 3 (Used in OTK beast builds) Kanrethad Ebonlocke - Tier 2 (Strong effect and is used in zoo builds) The Lurker Below - Tier 4 (Strong tech card against aggro) Lady Liadrin - Tier 3 (Staple in Libram Paladin but the deck is too weak in this meta) Lady Vashj - Tier 4 (Experimented in aggressive shaman builds but needs more support) Magtheridon - Tier 5 (The potential is still being experimented but for now it's trash) Kargath Bladefist - Tier 4 (Decent tech card in control decks) Bulwark of Azzinoth - Tier 5 (Garbage as even ping can remove a durability) Ysiel Windsinger - Tier 4 (Niche but strong effect which might get future support) -Classic Natalie Seline - Tier 3 (Strong removal for priest and is being used in Highlander Priest) Nethrandamus - Tier 4 (Strong effect but a weak top deck)
Just my opinions on placements. I gave careful thought on all these placements, compared it with user feedback and hsreplay stats. Hope this would help you out SlydE. Thanks for all the time you put to keep this list updated.
Thanks for all the feedback! I will do some changes tonight. Blood-Queen Lana'thel has been already been promoted to tier 4.
With the nerfs coming often right now, I think the best is to not place the new legendaries until the new patch has hit. The last wave of nerfs made a huge impact. Some decks get a lot better as others get worse!
Malygos, Aspect of Magic shows up in both Tier 1 and Tier 2 for Wild...
Yes Paladin OP
Fixed.
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Expected tiers updated for all new legendaries, check the OP.
Feedback appreciated, also if it is safe to place them in the guide.
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Probably safe to put Oblivitron in tier 4 as it has no real synergy anymore with Boomsday cards being cycled out.
Will do, thanks. There will certainly be more demotions like that because of the rotation.
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Madame Lazul looks to be better than tier 5. Due to the changes in the priest class, more people are trying highlander and non-res based priests and the card finds its way into some of them. At the very worst, tier 4, I'd say.
Thanks for keeping this list updated!
Maiev is a boring card and my personal disappointment of the set. Sure it feels good removing a big minion for a turn or two but thats like pissing your self just to keep warm.
Although the effect is temporary, it is still a very strong card in a lot of decks and situations. "Fun" has generally not been an important criteria for this guide.
Also thanks for feedback, there are unfortunately quite a few "bugs" in the list right after a big rotation, thanks for all help finding them!
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Some more uptates for the Wild section:
Akali, the Rhino To tier 4
High Priestess Jeklik To tier 2
Mojomaster Zihi Tier 2 to 3
Bwonsamdi, the Dead To tier 4
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What are the must crafts in wild?
Small note: you got Oblivitron under the Saviors of Uldum Set
With a nerf to Open the Waygate likely to change the meta very soon, it is likely to change pretty soon. However, I don't think you can go wrong with these:
Loatheb
Leeroy Jenkins
Baku the Mooneater
Reno Jackson
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I think Sathrovarr in standard would be in "Playable" at most, since Shirvallah, the Tiger isn't in standard, and Holy Wrath doesn't have nearly as good of targets now.
Wait what am I supposed to write here again
Sathrovarr is an insanely greedy card. He requires some sort of mana cheat to be playable. Right now, in standard, he is only playable in highlander decks or Druid.
Druid can ramp really fast and get into a better position to play him early, but there's only two possible synergies: Lucentbark and Ysera, Unleashed. Lucentbark is a sticky minion and you can revive him with Crystal Power for 1 mana and then follow up with Sathrovarr. The dream portals from Ysera usually only pop during your turn (since it's unlikely that your opponent will force you to draw cards). That means you can copy any valuable dragons freely (as long as you are not under heavy pressure).
Outside of Druid, i only see him working in highlander decks (since you get 0-cost dragons from Alex) and Quest Warlock/Handlock (quest reward/The Dark Portal highroll). There's Bloodboil Brute and Sea Giant as mana cheat cards but those are incredibly hard to set up (and warrior prefers tempo plays now). So, in my opinion, he should be placed in tier 4 or tier 5. There's no good reason to play him in any deck, at the moment. He is just too slow and greedy.
Clutchmother Zavas is playable in Wild now.
Akama is a good card to fill 3 drop slot but not necessary I would place it to tier 2.
Shadowjeweler Hanar is easily tier 1 lol and it is extremely annoying for opponent especially when you chose secrets to protect hanar.
Astromancer Solarian tier 1 it is solid drop for mage except spell mage archetype.
Evocation This is solid tier two the reason is too much rng it sometimes doesn't generate the answer you seek also useless at early game. You can see that in the winrates most people use this too seek answer but doesn't give one. but it doesn't mean very bad card it is still usefull sometimes.
Natalie Seline This is worst than flick I don't play priest but this comes to my hand too often 8 mana is a little bit expensive for a removal and most of the time hp gain will just provide regular stats like 8 mana 8/8, 8/7 etc. if this would be taunt it would be solid tier one tho
I didn't play the rest yet. I don't have opinion on them
Tier 4 is way to low. In highlander priest works amazingly. But I'm still mad at the devs for not making it a 2/3. I would say tier 2.5
Akama - Tier 4 (Good in stealth Rogue decks or as deck filler)
Keli'dan the Breaker - Tier 4 (The board clear effect is unreliable but the hard removal for untargetable minions is an OK tech option)
Shadowjeweler Hanar - Tier 1 (Staple in secret rogue builds)
Astromancer Solarian - Tier 2 (Good card for all except spell only mage deck but the effect is too random to be considered tier 1)
Evocation - Tier 2 (Good card for all mage deck but the effect is too random to be considered tier 1)
Soul Mirror - Tier 1 (Important removal for priest since mass hysteria is out of the meta)
Teron Gorefiend - Tier 1 (Great in all aggressive deathrattle builds)
Archspore Msshi'fn - Tier 3 (Decent card in big druid decks or as deck filler)
Kael'thas Sunstrider - Tier 2 (After Nerfs it will still be strong in OTK/Combo builds)
Zixor, Apex Predator - Tier 1 (Great in multiple hunter decks)
Murgur Murgurgle - Tier 2 (Good card in murloc paladin)
Al'ar - Tier 5 (Great for a meme deck)
Beastmaster Leoroxx - Tier 3 (Used in OTK beast builds)
Kanrethad Ebonlocke - Tier 2 (Strong effect and is used in zoo builds)
The Lurker Below - Tier 4 (Strong tech card against aggro)
Lady Liadrin - Tier 3 (Staple in Libram Paladin but the deck is too weak in this meta)
Lady Vashj - Tier 4 (Experimented in aggressive shaman builds but needs more support)
Magtheridon - Tier 5 (The potential is still being experimented but for now it's trash)
Kargath Bladefist - Tier 4 (Decent tech card in control decks)
Bulwark of Azzinoth - Tier 5 (Garbage as even ping can remove a durability)
Ysiel Windsinger - Tier 4 (Niche but strong effect which might get future support)
- Classic
Natalie Seline - Tier 3 (Strong removal for priest and is being used in Highlander Priest)
Nethrandamus - Tier 4 (Strong effect but a weak top deck)
Just my opinions on placements. I gave careful thought on all these placements, compared it with user feedback and hsreplay stats. Hope this would help you out SlydE. Thanks for all the time you put to keep this list updated.
Thanks for all the feedback! I will do some changes tonight. Blood-Queen Lana'thel has been already been promoted to tier 4.
With the nerfs coming often right now, I think the best is to not place the new legendaries until the new patch has hit. The last wave of nerfs made a huge impact. Some decks get a lot better as others get worse!
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A few more cards have been placed:
Bulwark of Azzinoth To tier 4 (could be demoted)
Ysiel Windsinger To tier 4 (could be demoted)
Soul Mirror To tier 1
Sathrovarr Tier 2 to 4
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