For me, I have opened each expansions around 60 - 70 packs, including all bonus free packs and gold promotion from Blizzard. That usually net me around 4 legendaries + 1 free legendary.
Since I'm saving dust and not craft much, that has got me to build some near tier 2 decks, no where near competitive enough to go ranking high, good enough for me to build some fun decks though. So I usually end up around rank 19 and mostly just play fun deck with friends.
How about you guys, F2P, how many packs do you usually open? Do you feel it gives you enough to be competitive? Do you ladder high or just play cassual?
I'm extremely casual, so I hang around the 20-16 ranks with my own decks. I play may games to win but I craft/build decks that I just screw around in. Sort of like running Nascar with a Civic.
As such all I can do is do dailies. I end up with about 80 packs from it. I don't see much of reason to push for much more as you pretty much get all of the commons and most rares this way. You shouldn't even be trying to push epics/legendaries with packs if you aren't going to whale to get the whole set at once.
I have more than enough doubles, bad cards, and occasional gold card I didn't dust to craft anything I want, but I do NOT like dusting cards to craft cards unless I KNOW I'll get a lot out of it so I accept missing out on decks I 'can't' craft.
I've been playing since beta so I'm MORE than stable in my collection. I'm pretty much where F2Pers end up once you no longer have to worry about crafting old cards and can focus purely on saving for the next expansion.
Usually I'm opening around 60 packs after expansion release and then up to 30-40 until next expansion comes out. It's not a problem to be above rank5 and be able to compete well in tournaments with such amount of cards (keeping in mind you're always dusting rotating out cards).
Man, how come the rank 5 - 1 is so many among F2P? Can you guys share your point of view? How can you build a tier 1 deck with 60 - 80 packs open?
Because you're opening 60-80 packs every expansion, crafting the legendaries you need from that expansion, and repeating for each expansion.
For example, I crafted the hunter DK during Frozen Throne (I had enough dust for 2 legendaries and opted for Rogue and Hunter as I had opened Mage and Warlock. I didn't bother with Priest's legendary and opted out of having Raza Priest at the time), I opened a golden Kathrena during Kobolds. King Krush I had found a long time ago and opted not to dust him even when he was useless just because.
Houndmaster I crafted in Boomsday since there wasn't much else to craft then.
I don't have zul'jin but as I had crafted High Priest Thekal and Oondasta it wasn't exactly because I COULDN'T craft him. Just not sure he has staying power once rotation hits.
60-90 packs, along with a non-horrible ability in Arena, and knowing to wait until you are sure what you are doing before crafting and being **VERY** hesitant to dust anything in your collection results in a lot of good choices for an established F2Per. Being able to craft tier 1 decks is among the easiest.
What's hard is if you are going the 'for fun' route. You CAN'T just pull a tier list and find what everyone is playing (or what works against them). You need to figure out what decks are fun for you and, in many cases, self-build those decks all the time hoping you don't craft the wrong cards (for example, I'm regretting crafting Crystalizers as they seem to oddly be not good in a healadin deck O.o)
Usually I'm opening around 60 packs after expansion release and then up to 30-40 until next expansion comes out. It's not a problem to be above rank5 and be able to compete well in tournaments with such amount of cards (keeping in mind you're always dusting rotating out cards).
May be I don't dust rotating cards so I don't have that much extra dusts, and having 100 packs will give more legendaries and epics too.
Because you're opening 60-80 packs every expansion, crafting the legendaries you need from that expansion, and repeating for each expansion.
For example, I crafted the hunter DK during Frozen Throne (I had enough dust for 2 legendaries and opted for Rogue and Hunter as I had opened Mage and Warlock. I didn't bother with Priest's legendary and opted out of having Raza Priest at the time), I opened a golden Kathrena during Kobolds. King Krush I had found a long time ago and opted not to dust him even when he was useless just because.
Houndmaster I crafted in Boomsday since there wasn't much else to craft then.
I don't have zul'jin but as I had crafted High Priest Thekal and Oondasta it wasn't exactly because I COULDN'T craft him. Just not sure he has staying power once rotation hits.
60-90 packs, along with a non-horrible ability in Arena, and knowing to wait until you are sure what you are doing before crafting and being **VERY** hesitant to dust anything in your collection results in a lot of good choices for an established F2Per. Being able to craft tier 1 decks is among the easiest.
What's hard is if you are going the 'for fun' route. You CAN'T just pull a tier list and find what everyone is playing (or what works against them). You need to figure out what decks are fun for you and, in many cases, self-build those decks all the time hoping you don't craft the wrong cards (for example, I'm regretting crafting Crystalizers as they seem to oddly be not good in a healadin deck O.o)
So you will craft about 2 legendaries per each expansion, and then saving dust for the next expansion so you could craft 2 more for each expansion right?
That may be a smart way to do and enjoy being competitive, I'm just not sure I will have 3200 dust collect for every 4 months. I only dust cards that I have extra, I don't dust even what people may say an useless cards, who know, it may be useful one day.
But counting legendaries aside, now day deck also run a lot of epics as well, and those cost a lot of dust too, so aside from 3200 dust to craft 2 legendaries, I may need like 4 more epics so another 1600 dust to get a good deck. That amount too 4800 dust every 4 months, is that doable?
60-80 packs here. Started playing after Tournament.
Tough at first, but on the long run, if you are able to choose at least a couple of classes to scavenge each expansion, possibly 3-4, you get enough dust to craft what you need, plus some extras as well.
I currently own at least half of the Wild top tier decks, and i have enough dust to nearly complete the list, if i wanted, so it's definitely possible to be competitive, on a budget.
Around 80 gets me what I want, with Un Goro being the exception. I probably opened more than 100 and I am still missing Shadow Visions and Primordial Glyph.
Man, how come the rank 5 - 1 is so many among F2P? Can you guys share your point of view? How can you build a tier 1 deck with 60 - 80 packs open?
You're on a big misconception here. A deck being tier 1 has nothing to do with the number of legendaries on it or the cost to craft. Odd Paladin was considered the best deck in the game and it was the cheapest deck with only two legendaries. One of them you didn't even want to ever see it in your hand.
Tier 1 also doesn't mean it's exactly easier. Cubelock is a tier 1 deck, yet most of the player base just can't pilot it well enough.
Last week decks like Zoo Warlock, Shudderwock Shaman and Exodia Paladin were tier 3 and lots of people have been getting Legend with those decks for quite some time. Or at the very least rank 5-1.
There are lots of Deathrattle Hunter, Spell Hunter, Secret Hunter that can't get out or rank 11-15, despite them being the top decks of the game right now.
The pilot matters. You'll won't get a tier 1 deck and simply faceroll your way to rank 5-1, much less Legend.
I suggest reading the Vicious Syndicate reports and the Competitive Hearthstone sub in Reddit.
Try to watch some of the tournaments (don't be scared of 7-8h duration, it's much less when you're skipping breaks and you can just try to watch people piloting decks you're interest as well). Game knowledge will benefit you much more than just having decks but not really piloting them well.
I've been F2P since I started HS, which was right after the closed beta ended. I end up between rank 5 and 1 (usually I aim for rank 1, since that puts me on rank 5 on the season reset which is exactly where I want to be every month for the free golden epic) and open approximately 81 to 100 packs per expansion. I personally don't feel all that restricted by not paying, since I can usually still craft most of the tier 1/2/3 decks - though that might be a lot easier for me than for others since I pretty much own every single card in the classic set due to how long I've been playing Hearthstone. If you feel like your deck prevents you from reaching the higher ranks, you might wanna focus on getting a single cheap tier 1 deck together - in a way, that could be considered an investment as it might make getting the monthly golden epic (=400 dust) easier.
So you will craft about 2 legendaries per each expansion, and then saving dust for the next expansion so you could craft 2 more for each expansion right?
That may be a smart way to do and enjoy being competitive, I'm just not sure I will have 3200 dust collect for every 4 months. I only dust cards that I have extra, I don't dust even what people may say an useless cards, who know, it may be useful one day.
But counting legendaries aside, now day deck also run a lot of epics as well, and those cost a lot of dust too, so aside from 3200 dust to craft 2 legendaries, I may need like 4 more epics so another 1600 dust to get a good deck. That amount too 4800 dust every 4 months, is that doable?
It's not 4800 dust every 4 months because you aren't crafting 2 legendaries and 4 epics every 4 months just to stay competitive. For example, I crafted Baku and Genn on Witchwood. Odd Mage didn't really exist then. When Odd Mage showed up for Rumble, I didn't have to craft Baku again to play the deck as I already have it.
Ok, take spell hunter. The deck has 3 legendaries and 2 epics. It costs 7000 dust alltogether. SURE if you have to craft it from a day 1 newbie that's not an option.
But to us established F2Pers:
On 80 packs you can get about 4000 dust off of goldens and duplicates. That least that's what I'm seeing. If you feel like you need more you SHOULD be practicing arena as using your cash on arena is much more worthwhile than buying packs strait up once you can average more than 4 wins a run (which is slightly above 50%). The BEST is to use all 8k gold on arena runs to get your packs, though I'm sure most don't have the time commitment to do that.
The commons and rares we never craft since we open enough packs to automatically get those. That's WHY we save to open 80+ packs an expansion.
Deathstalker Rexxar came during Frozen Throne, so that's 1600 dust spent then.
To My Side and Rhok'delar were Kobolds and Catacombs cards. 2000 dust spent that you probably did do if you wanted to play spell hunter.
Zul'jin is a must craft of Rumble. 1600 dust
Deathstalker was a tricky craft. He was in "meme' status at the point of Frozen Throne so only folks who were playing 'for fun' crafted him. He and To My Side became BIG in Kobolds as a tier 2-3 deck, but Rhok wasn't really respected then.
Thus the more memeish folks probably got him but the competitive folks didn't, But the latter had Witchwood/Boomsday to decide whether to invest in spell hunter.
By the time of Rumble, some did. Others probably didn't but invested in Deathrattle Hunter instead. Others probably spent everything on warlock and thus are playing cubelock or zoo or handlock which are all also great decks.
That's the point. We're not spending 4000-6000 dust to craft these things. We are focusing on building up our collection of cards then only crafting the 1-2 we need to complete the deck we want. Then we keep building on that over time. We keep the cards we open and try not to dust cards even if they look bad.
Thus folks who opened a Rhok'delar during Kobolds probably whined, crafted that cubelock deck then kept Rhok'delar in case it stopped sucking.
Sometimes both the pack openings and your craftings leave you unable to craft that "OMG EVERYONE IS PLAYING THIS!" deck. I NEVER got Raza so I couldn't craft Raza Priest. So while everyone spam killed with OTK priest I went without.
But after a point, you end up with a decent selection in each class and there's always a few top tier decks you can craft with just a little bit of dust.
Man, how come the rank 5 - 1 is so many among F2P? Can you guys share your point of view? How can you build a tier 1 deck with 60 - 80 packs open?
Hello there, F2P since Beta, usually ranking from 5 to 1 every month despite having not that much time to play ( mostly I only do dailies ) and I NEVER grind to rank up. I usually open 40/50 packs every new expansion. Sidenote: I still miss Alexstraza from my collection and I only recently found Leroy Jenkins from one classic pack.
Hints:
do not skip any daily mission. Always keep one 50 gold mission to reroll every day.
You do not need to have a full collection to be competitive, never create a full deck from scratch if you miss many expensive epics and legendaries! I do not mind if I miss some cards, try to think out of the box and replace it with some tech card. Spend your dust wisely! DK are are ( were? ) a great investment and are useful in many decks, same as Baku/Glenn so craft them asap!
Try to focus on 2/3 good decks and improve them every time a new expansion is coming out. This season for me was Spell Hunter and Even Warlock; I only had to craft Zul'jin to continue being competitive. I recently crafted Uther DK to play OTK Exodia Pally and I am laddering with it nowadays.
BE STINGY WITH YOUR GOLD/DUST! I usually end up crafting only 1-2 Legendaries every expansion, and a few epics. Most of the cards are chaff.
I open around 80 each exp release and then hot pot timer once more if it is under 20 packs remaining. Then I save for next exp. I always end up between ranks 1-5 on both formats. I normally get there with fun decks on both formats, but if I get pissed off then I'll spam a druid or shaman netdeck and hit rank 5 ez
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For me, I have opened each expansions around 60 - 70 packs, including all bonus free packs and gold promotion from Blizzard. That usually net me around 4 legendaries + 1 free legendary.
Since I'm saving dust and not craft much, that has got me to build some near tier 2 decks, no where near competitive enough to go ranking high, good enough for me to build some fun decks though. So I usually end up around rank 19 and mostly just play fun deck with friends.
How about you guys, F2P, how many packs do you usually open? Do you feel it gives you enough to be competitive? Do you ladder high or just play cassual?
I'm extremely casual, so I hang around the 20-16 ranks with my own decks. I play may games to win but I craft/build decks that I just screw around in. Sort of like running Nascar with a Civic.
As such all I can do is do dailies. I end up with about 80 packs from it. I don't see much of reason to push for much more as you pretty much get all of the commons and most rares this way. You shouldn't even be trying to push epics/legendaries with packs if you aren't going to whale to get the whole set at once.
I have more than enough doubles, bad cards, and occasional gold card I didn't dust to craft anything I want, but I do NOT like dusting cards to craft cards unless I KNOW I'll get a lot out of it so I accept missing out on decks I 'can't' craft.
I've been playing since beta so I'm MORE than stable in my collection. I'm pretty much where F2Pers end up once you no longer have to worry about crafting old cards and can focus purely on saving for the next expansion.
One does not simply walk into Mordor,
unless they want to be the best they can be.
Man, how come the rank 5 - 1 is so many among F2P? Can you guys share your point of view? How can you build a tier 1 deck with 60 - 80 packs open?
Usually I'm opening around 60 packs after expansion release and then up to 30-40 until next expansion comes out. It's not a problem to be above rank5 and be able to compete well in tournaments with such amount of cards (keeping in mind you're always dusting rotating out cards).
Because you're opening 60-80 packs every expansion, crafting the legendaries you need from that expansion, and repeating for each expansion.
For example, I crafted the hunter DK during Frozen Throne (I had enough dust for 2 legendaries and opted for Rogue and Hunter as I had opened Mage and Warlock. I didn't bother with Priest's legendary and opted out of having Raza Priest at the time), I opened a golden Kathrena during Kobolds. King Krush I had found a long time ago and opted not to dust him even when he was useless just because.
Houndmaster I crafted in Boomsday since there wasn't much else to craft then.
I don't have zul'jin but as I had crafted High Priest Thekal and Oondasta it wasn't exactly because I COULDN'T craft him. Just not sure he has staying power once rotation hits.
60-90 packs, along with a non-horrible ability in Arena, and knowing to wait until you are sure what you are doing before crafting and being **VERY** hesitant to dust anything in your collection results in a lot of good choices for an established F2Per. Being able to craft tier 1 decks is among the easiest.
What's hard is if you are going the 'for fun' route. You CAN'T just pull a tier list and find what everyone is playing (or what works against them). You need to figure out what decks are fun for you and, in many cases, self-build those decks all the time hoping you don't craft the wrong cards (for example, I'm regretting crafting Crystalizers as they seem to oddly be not good in a healadin deck O.o)
One does not simply walk into Mordor,
unless they want to be the best they can be.
May be I don't dust rotating cards so I don't have that much extra dusts, and having 100 packs will give more legendaries and epics too.
So you will craft about 2 legendaries per each expansion, and then saving dust for the next expansion so you could craft 2 more for each expansion right?
That may be a smart way to do and enjoy being competitive, I'm just not sure I will have 3200 dust collect for every 4 months. I only dust cards that I have extra, I don't dust even what people may say an useless cards, who know, it may be useful one day.
But counting legendaries aside, now day deck also run a lot of epics as well, and those cost a lot of dust too, so aside from 3200 dust to craft 2 legendaries, I may need like 4 more epics so another 1600 dust to get a good deck. That amount too 4800 dust every 4 months, is that doable?
60-80 packs here. Started playing after Tournament.
Tough at first, but on the long run, if you are able to choose at least a couple of classes to scavenge each expansion, possibly 3-4, you get enough dust to craft what you need, plus some extras as well.
I currently own at least half of the Wild top tier decks, and i have enough dust to nearly complete the list, if i wanted, so it's definitely possible to be competitive, on a budget.
You don't need a tier 1 deck with all legendaries and epics to reach rank 5 and legend
Around 80 gets me what I want, with Un Goro being the exception. I probably opened more than 100 and I am still missing Shadow Visions and Primordial Glyph.
So you thought only Mage had an exodia combo eh
20-30 packs then arena
each expansion started, or during expansion?
well... normally it would be 70-80 during the expansion time if you do quest every day and get at least 15 wins per day.
unless you bought the pack, promo etc etc.
"hey! hey! you wanna buy a funnel cake?"
You're on a big misconception here. A deck being tier 1 has nothing to do with the number of legendaries on it or the cost to craft. Odd Paladin was considered the best deck in the game and it was the cheapest deck with only two legendaries. One of them you didn't even want to ever see it in your hand.
Tier 1 also doesn't mean it's exactly easier. Cubelock is a tier 1 deck, yet most of the player base just can't pilot it well enough.
Last week decks like Zoo Warlock, Shudderwock Shaman and Exodia Paladin were tier 3 and lots of people have been getting Legend with those decks for quite some time. Or at the very least rank 5-1.
There are lots of Deathrattle Hunter, Spell Hunter, Secret Hunter that can't get out or rank 11-15, despite them being the top decks of the game right now.
The pilot matters. You'll won't get a tier 1 deck and simply faceroll your way to rank 5-1, much less Legend.
I suggest reading the Vicious Syndicate reports and the Competitive Hearthstone sub in Reddit.
https://www.vicioussyndicate.com/
https://www.reddit.com/r/CompetitiveHS/
Try to watch some of the tournaments (don't be scared of 7-8h duration, it's much less when you're skipping breaks and you can just try to watch people piloting decks you're interest as well). Game knowledge will benefit you much more than just having decks but not really piloting them well.
Mysterious Challenger
I've been F2P since I started HS, which was right after the closed beta ended. I end up between rank 5 and 1 (usually I aim for rank 1, since that puts me on rank 5 on the season reset which is exactly where I want to be every month for the free golden epic) and open approximately 81 to 100 packs per expansion. I personally don't feel all that restricted by not paying, since I can usually still craft most of the tier 1/2/3 decks - though that might be a lot easier for me than for others since I pretty much own every single card in the classic set due to how long I've been playing Hearthstone. If you feel like your deck prevents you from reaching the higher ranks, you might wanna focus on getting a single cheap tier 1 deck together - in a way, that could be considered an investment as it might make getting the monthly golden epic (=400 dust) easier.
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It's not 4800 dust every 4 months because you aren't crafting 2 legendaries and 4 epics every 4 months just to stay competitive. For example, I crafted Baku and Genn on Witchwood. Odd Mage didn't really exist then. When Odd Mage showed up for Rumble, I didn't have to craft Baku again to play the deck as I already have it.
Ok, take spell hunter. The deck has 3 legendaries and 2 epics. It costs 7000 dust alltogether. SURE if you have to craft it from a day 1 newbie that's not an option.
But to us established F2Pers:
On 80 packs you can get about 4000 dust off of goldens and duplicates. That least that's what I'm seeing. If you feel like you need more you SHOULD be practicing arena as using your cash on arena is much more worthwhile than buying packs strait up once you can average more than 4 wins a run (which is slightly above 50%). The BEST is to use all 8k gold on arena runs to get your packs, though I'm sure most don't have the time commitment to do that.
The commons and rares we never craft since we open enough packs to automatically get those. That's WHY we save to open 80+ packs an expansion.
Deathstalker Rexxar came during Frozen Throne, so that's 1600 dust spent then.
To My Side and Rhok'delar were Kobolds and Catacombs cards. 2000 dust spent that you probably did do if you wanted to play spell hunter.
Zul'jin is a must craft of Rumble. 1600 dust
Deathstalker was a tricky craft. He was in "meme' status at the point of Frozen Throne so only folks who were playing 'for fun' crafted him. He and To My Side became BIG in Kobolds as a tier 2-3 deck, but Rhok wasn't really respected then.
Thus the more memeish folks probably got him but the competitive folks didn't, But the latter had Witchwood/Boomsday to decide whether to invest in spell hunter.
By the time of Rumble, some did. Others probably didn't but invested in Deathrattle Hunter instead. Others probably spent everything on warlock and thus are playing cubelock or zoo or handlock which are all also great decks.
That's the point. We're not spending 4000-6000 dust to craft these things. We are focusing on building up our collection of cards then only crafting the 1-2 we need to complete the deck we want. Then we keep building on that over time. We keep the cards we open and try not to dust cards even if they look bad.
Thus folks who opened a Rhok'delar during Kobolds probably whined, crafted that cubelock deck then kept Rhok'delar in case it stopped sucking.
Sometimes both the pack openings and your craftings leave you unable to craft that "OMG EVERYONE IS PLAYING THIS!" deck. I NEVER got Raza so I couldn't craft Raza Priest. So while everyone spam killed with OTK priest I went without.
But after a point, you end up with a decent selection in each class and there's always a few top tier decks you can craft with just a little bit of dust.
One does not simply walk into Mordor,
unless they want to be the best they can be.
Hello there, F2P since Beta, usually ranking from 5 to 1 every month despite having not that much time to play ( mostly I only do dailies ) and I NEVER grind to rank up. I usually open 40/50 packs every new expansion. Sidenote: I still miss Alexstraza from my collection and I only recently found Leroy Jenkins from one classic pack.
Hints:
do not skip any daily mission. Always keep one 50 gold mission to reroll every day.
You do not need to have a full collection to be competitive, never create a full deck from scratch if you miss many expensive epics and legendaries! I do not mind if I miss some cards, try to think out of the box and replace it with some tech card. Spend your dust wisely! DK are are ( were? ) a great investment and are useful in many decks, same as Baku/Glenn so craft them asap!
Try to focus on 2/3 good decks and improve them every time a new expansion is coming out. This season for me was Spell Hunter and Even Warlock; I only had to craft Zul'jin to continue being competitive. I recently crafted Uther DK to play OTK Exodia Pally and I am laddering with it nowadays.
BE STINGY WITH YOUR GOLD/DUST! I usually end up crafting only 1-2 Legendaries every expansion, and a few epics. Most of the cards are chaff.
1 per day on my f2p account. Quest + grind until 100 gold.
I open around 80 each exp release and then hot pot timer once more if it is under 20 packs remaining. Then I save for next exp. I always end up between ranks 1-5 on both formats. I normally get there with fun decks on both formats, but if I get pissed off then I'll spam a druid or shaman netdeck and hit rank 5 ez