Its at a mana cost that complete with better aoe's and requires a 1 turn set up.
Duskbreaker is 10x better as its a turn 4 play and requires a dragon in hand rather than a 1 turn set up.
Yes, but it also allow to not break the elemental chain. Still, I don't understand why it has to be so bad (2 mana more and akward condition) than Duskbreaker.
This had to be worse because it is an elemental itself and so it procs heals from Jaina. The only way for this not to be oppressive its either to make it super conditional and clunky (like it is now) or to make it lose the elemental tag.
In elemental decks this is clearly good, even if overpowered, the only thing that deck is missing is AOE. Not anymore. Also great with Jaina. Very good card in that deck.
I think this card is underrated. The biggest issue elemental mage had before when using Book of Specters this was a lack of solid AoE unless you wanted to risk discarding it. Now you can run BoS and go really minion heavy and still have a good board clear against board heavy decks. The elemental requirement isn't a big deal, any deck you run this in is going to have a lot of elementals.
Minion based elemental mage decks don't run board clears. If they fall behind it can be tough to catch up. Also, if this played after Jaina you might as well call him Renosaur. Good card.
The real reason this card is bad isn’t because it’s 2 more than duskbreaker. It’s because, unlike Duskbreaker, you have to play a minion the turn before you want to play this. That’s a way more annoying condition than holding a dragon. Plus, unless you’re playing an elemental every turn your opponent should be able to pretty reliably tell what turns you’re setting up your Arcanosaur. This card stinks.
The real reason this card is bad isn’t because it’s 2 more than duskbreaker. It’s because, unlike Duskbreaker, you have to play a minion the turn before you want to play this. That’s a way more annoying condition than holding a dragon. Plus, unless you’re playing an elemental every turn your opponent should be able to pretty reliably tell what turns you’re setting up your Arcanosaur. This card stinks.
I don't think so. It's versatile against both early game and late game with Jaina healing. So what if you have to lose a Tar Creeper or firefly to slow down the aggro a bit. At turn 6 this guy gives you the board back and also keeps the Elemental synergy going. Duskbreaker is a little bit different. It should be cheaper because dragons are less frequent.
The real reason this card is bad isn’t because it’s 2 more than duskbreaker. It’s because, unlike Duskbreaker, you have to play a minion the turn before you want to play this. That’s a way more annoying condition than holding a dragon. Plus, unless you’re playing an elemental every turn your opponent should be able to pretty reliably tell what turns you’re setting up your Arcanosaur. This card stinks.
I don't think so. It's versatile against both early game and late game with Jaina healing. So what if you have to lose a Tar Creeper or Fire Fly to slow down the aggro a bit. At turn 6 this guy gives you the board back and also keeps the Elemental synergy going. Duskbreaker is a little bit different. It should be cheaper because dragons are less frequent.
I'm not understanding the criticism of this card at all.
1) Duskbringer is an INCREDIBLY powerful card for an incredibly specific deck archetype for a totally different class that does not have very much follow up to it (particularly in the Dragon Priest archetype). The comparison isn't really fair. This is a mage card, Mage has a ton of ways to draw this card and a ton of ways to follow up on a 3 damage AoE into a 3/3 that priest does not.
2) Baron Geddon isn't as strong as this. It has better stats, but it's a legendary. You can only run one. It's also a significantly more expensive card (turn 6 vs. turn 7) which really matters against aggro and swarm decks and 3 damage, particularly in regards to an AoE effect is a lot more than 2 damage is. You clear a lot of hunter boards that Geddon doesn't. You clear a lot of Odd Paladin boards that Geddon doesn't. You clear a lot of Murloc boards Geddon doesn't.
3) It's an elemental. Not only does that mean that you get the benefit of Frost Lich Jaina (which is somewhat relevant) you can also follow it up with a blazecaller or a tol'vir warden. It can be drawn with Book of Spectres as well as copied with Arugal.
4) It provides you with a 3/3 body unlike Flame Strike and does more damage than Blizzard as well, it's more reliable than Dragon's Fury and doesn't require the same specific deck that Dragon's Fury does. And again, it benefits from Book of Spectres and creates Elemental chains. I don't think you're running this in big spell, and I doubt you're running this in traditional control mage. This is totally going into minion and elemental mage decks.
5) The idea that this gets worse next rotation when we haven't even seen the full breadth of THIS set yet is so irrelevant. We have no idea what the 2019 meta is going to look like. This could be a totally essential card against all the 3-health turn 5 board clears that everyone is playing because they introduced a neutral legendary that summons those. It's completely academic. And I don't think this cards NEEDS Jaina to be good anyway.
6) The only complaint I think is somewhat fair is the idea that this damages whatever elemental you played last in the chain. Typically that's going to either be: Mountain Giant, Bonfire Elemental or a Fire Fly. I think typically you're going to specifically activate this with a fire fly, though. Or maybe a glacial shard or something. So destroying that is mostly irrelevant. I think if you're going that hard into AoE plays there's going to be a reason for it and you'll absolutely be doing more damage to your opponent's board than your own.
Would look pretty good without the condition (showing how stupid was duskbreaker). But honestly we all know how "play an elemental last turn" condition is hard...
The impact of Jaina is quite strong here. Duskbreaker can be played on 4, with no commitment to the board. This waits until 6, and requires you to toss a minion on board, which will almost surely die either before, or in the AOE. Heck, a canny opponent playing into a mage casting an elemental on 5 mana will probably trade in their weaker minions then, to make AOE less punishing.
There are so many drawbacks to this, compared to other AOE.
But Jaina makes this a full heal, which can be huge. 3-damage AOE sets up Icy Touch pings on any 4 HP minions, which isn't always the easiest health level to ping down.
This had to be worse because it is an elemental itself and so it procs heals from Jaina. The only way for this not to be oppressive its either to make it super conditional and clunky (like it is now) or to make it lose the elemental tag.
In elemental decks this is clearly good, even if overpowered, the only thing that deck is missing is AOE. Not anymore. Also great with Jaina. Very good card in that deck.
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Some other class getting a worse version of a Priest card, lol that's something new. Usually it is the other way around.
I think this card is underrated. The biggest issue elemental mage had before when using Book of Specters this was a lack of solid AoE unless you wanted to risk discarding it. Now you can run BoS and go really minion heavy and still have a good board clear against board heavy decks. The elemental requirement isn't a big deal, any deck you run this in is going to have a lot of elementals.
If that DK card did not exist it would have cost 4 like the Duskbreaker.
Big Hand Mage.....good card
Minion based elemental mage decks don't run board clears. If they fall behind it can be tough to catch up. Also, if this played after Jaina you might as well call him Renosaur. Good card.
The real reason this card is bad isn’t because it’s 2 more than duskbreaker. It’s because, unlike Duskbreaker, you have to play a minion the turn before you want to play this. That’s a way more annoying condition than holding a dragon. Plus, unless you’re playing an elemental every turn your opponent should be able to pretty reliably tell what turns you’re setting up your Arcanosaur. This card stinks.
I don't think so. It's versatile against both early game and late game with Jaina healing. So what if you have to lose a Tar Creeper or firefly to slow down the aggro a bit. At turn 6 this guy gives you the board back and also keeps the Elemental synergy going. Duskbreaker is a little bit different. It should be cheaper because dragons are less frequent.
I don't think so. It's versatile against both early game and late game with Jaina healing. So what if you have to lose a Tar Creeper or Fire Fly to slow down the aggro a bit. At turn 6 this guy gives you the board back and also keeps the Elemental synergy going. Duskbreaker is a little bit different. It should be cheaper because dragons are less frequent.
What this does for Frost Lich Jaina is give the ping to those ackward/pesky 4hp minions.
I'm not understanding the criticism of this card at all.
1) Duskbringer is an INCREDIBLY powerful card for an incredibly specific deck archetype for a totally different class that does not have very much follow up to it (particularly in the Dragon Priest archetype). The comparison isn't really fair. This is a mage card, Mage has a ton of ways to draw this card and a ton of ways to follow up on a 3 damage AoE into a 3/3 that priest does not.
2) Baron Geddon isn't as strong as this. It has better stats, but it's a legendary. You can only run one. It's also a significantly more expensive card (turn 6 vs. turn 7) which really matters against aggro and swarm decks and 3 damage, particularly in regards to an AoE effect is a lot more than 2 damage is. You clear a lot of hunter boards that Geddon doesn't. You clear a lot of Odd Paladin boards that Geddon doesn't. You clear a lot of Murloc boards Geddon doesn't.
3) It's an elemental. Not only does that mean that you get the benefit of Frost Lich Jaina (which is somewhat relevant) you can also follow it up with a blazecaller or a tol'vir warden. It can be drawn with Book of Spectres as well as copied with Arugal.
4) It provides you with a 3/3 body unlike Flame Strike and does more damage than Blizzard as well, it's more reliable than Dragon's Fury and doesn't require the same specific deck that Dragon's Fury does. And again, it benefits from Book of Spectres and creates Elemental chains. I don't think you're running this in big spell, and I doubt you're running this in traditional control mage. This is totally going into minion and elemental mage decks.
5) The idea that this gets worse next rotation when we haven't even seen the full breadth of THIS set yet is so irrelevant. We have no idea what the 2019 meta is going to look like. This could be a totally essential card against all the 3-health turn 5 board clears that everyone is playing because they introduced a neutral legendary that summons those. It's completely academic. And I don't think this cards NEEDS Jaina to be good anyway.
6) The only complaint I think is somewhat fair is the idea that this damages whatever elemental you played last in the chain. Typically that's going to either be: Mountain Giant, Bonfire Elemental or a Fire Fly. I think typically you're going to specifically activate this with a fire fly, though. Or maybe a glacial shard or something. So destroying that is mostly irrelevant. I think if you're going that hard into AoE plays there's going to be a reason for it and you'll absolutely be doing more damage to your opponent's board than your own.
Very useful AOE card in a deck without spells
Horrible.
Mage have much better mass removal than this conditional crap.
Why not 4/5 or 5/5? Same stats, same effect with another condition than the priest dragon and 2 manas more? For what? Elemental tag?
DK Jaina don't need this piece of shit for healing, Gedon, a neutral card do this job much better than this useless class card.
What they thinking? Mage suffer so much with nerfs and HoF's, they trying to kill the class? Will have sucess with cards like this.
I don’t know how great it is. You will have to play an elemental the turn before.
Would look pretty good without the condition (showing how stupid was duskbreaker). But honestly we all know how "play an elemental last turn" condition is hard...
6 mana duskbreaker on a not so consistent archetype? yeah no.
Why u hav to be mad? is only card gaem.
i dont mind the stat and mana,the biggest problem here is the condition (play elemental last turn)
Probably only good for (elemental) minion mage deck
The impact of Jaina is quite strong here. Duskbreaker can be played on 4, with no commitment to the board. This waits until 6, and requires you to toss a minion on board, which will almost surely die either before, or in the AOE. Heck, a canny opponent playing into a mage casting an elemental on 5 mana will probably trade in their weaker minions then, to make AOE less punishing.
There are so many drawbacks to this, compared to other AOE.
But Jaina makes this a full heal, which can be huge. 3-damage AOE sets up Icy Touch pings on any 4 HP minions, which isn't always the easiest health level to ping down.
If so you can at least give it a decent body