In this new setting, this card is WAAAAAAY too busted.
Also, I am curious to see how long Blizzard will take to nerf paladin. It took them no time to nerf shaman every single time people were crying that it was out of control and in a way that put it completely out of play. Now I really want to see what happens. If it's a shaman special treatment or if it's the same for other classes. I doubt it tho I'm afraid
Oh My Yogg! is much worse. Control decks have rather poor board presence in early game, so their only way to address early boards is to use removal spells. This single secret can make you lose the game as soon, as turn 2-3. Yesterday my Warlock's hero power got "buffed" by Wildfire... GG.
I guess this one doesn't need any explanation. Mage has at the moment the highest draw potential ever. THEY DON'T NEED THIS OP CARD
Are you saying mage has the best draw of all the classes right now or that mages draw now is the best it's ever been? On both accounts you're wrong, druid, DH, warlock and even warrior can burn through their decks very quickly right now. And mages draw was at its best when they had Aluneth.
In this new setting, this card is WAAAAAAY too busted.
What? Avenge is not what makes secret paladin good right now, it's certainly a very good for a paladin secret but not in desperate need of a nerf.
For me the strongest/most oppressive cards right now are:
Deck of Lunacy this became way to consistent after the rotation and core set and meme card that become top tier are often sent to the chopping blocks.
Tickatus Another meme card that has made its way into an incredibly powerful deck, Warlock already has the best control tools right now, so throwing tickatus in there as well just blows every other control deck away. Also pretty terrible to play against since there's no real counter to it.
Pen Flinger So much damage/value from this 1 card.
I'm assuming you haven't looked at any statistics yet, but druid has the third worst win rate as of the time of writing this, followed by warrior and priest as second and absolute worst, respectively. Druid isn't in a good spot right now either as none of the new cards really play into a consistent archetype.
I'm assuming you haven't looked at any statistics yet, but druid has the third worst win rate as of the time of writing this, followed by warrior and priest as second and absolute worst, respectively. Druid isn't in a good spot right now either as none of the new cards really play into a consistent archetype.
You're building you decks wrong then. Primordial Druid can outplay a lot of decks pretty early
I'm assuming you haven't looked at any statistics yet, but druid has the third worst win rate as of the time of writing this, followed by warrior and priest as second and absolute worst, respectively. Druid isn't in a good spot right now either as none of the new cards really play into a consistent archetype.
Druid is gonna be good when people figure out the token deck with the new tauren legendary, no way it stays at third worst win rate with the current druid cards
I guess this one doesn't need any explanation. Mage has at the moment the highest draw potential ever. THEY DON'T NEED THIS OP CARD
Are you saying mage has the best draw of all the classes right now or that mages draw now is the best it's ever been? On both accounts you're wrong, druid, DH, warlock and even warrior can burn through their decks very quickly right now. And mages draw was at its best when they had Aluneth.
In this new setting, this card is WAAAAAAY too busted.
What? Avenge is not what makes secret paladin good right now, it's certainly a very good for a paladin secret but not in desperate need of a nerf.
For me the strongest/most oppressive cards right now are:
Deck of Lunacy this became way to consistent after the rotation and core set and meme card that become top tier are often sent to the chopping blocks.
Tickatus Another meme card that has made its way into an incredibly powerful deck, Warlock already has the best control tools right now, so throwing tickatus in there as well just blows every other control deck away. Also pretty terrible to play against since there's no real counter to it.
Pen Flinger So much damage/value from this 1 card.
Refreshing Spring Water is pretty broken in spell mage my guy. Draw 2 cards and gain 2 mana (or zero cost at worst) is way too strong. It should at least be nerfed to "restore 1 mana crystal for each spell".
I agree on Avenge though, it isn't the issue.
Deck of Lunacy doesn't seem that bad, I havent had any issues with it so far. 58% winrate is decently strong, but spell mage is already strong, in large part thanks to the previously mentioned Spring Water and the amount of value generation mage has rn (Font, Runed Orb, Ring Toss, Apexis Smuggler off Font, Evoke, Reno, etc)
Tickatus is not that strong. He rose to 54% winrate because Jaraxxus is strong af. But he's solidly Tier 2.
And Pen Flinger also dropped down, he's at 56% rn. I do think he should be nerfed, but not because he's OP, just because he's annoying as hell to play against. He should be Spellburst: add a temporary copy to your hand that deals 1/1, you'd get more minion value but then it's limited by board size and you couldn't just return him to your hand to protect him.
In this new setting, this card is WAAAAAAY too busted.
Also, I am curious to see how long Blizzard will take to nerf paladin. It took them no time to nerf shaman every single time people were crying that it was out of control and in a way that put it completely out of play. Now I really want to see what happens. If it's a shaman special treatment or if it's the same for other classes. I doubt it tho I'm afraid
Dude, you want to nerf Avenge? Even now Avenge isn't that strong of a card. Sure, it's one of the better Paladin secrets, but it's not like you can't easily play around it if you know it's there. If you're facing secret Paladin, then there's a high likelihood that they'll be running Avenge.
Everyone is mad about Deck of Lunacy and I decided to make the No Minion Spell but without Deck of Lunacy since I don't have the card and the Deck Destroyed every class even aggro pala. I played from bronze to gold with 7/0 w/r . soo... ya I don't think Deck of Lunacy is the problem with this deck .. Or what is blizzard supposed to do nerf every draw card so that mage doesn't cycle as fast ? There is no way.
Is everyone playing meme decks against paladin??? I really dont know whats the problem, i havent lost a single game against secret paladin( yes against libram and because pen flinger is toxic af).
Mage is the problem here, it needs 0 skils to play it, just rng with the random spells
In this new setting, this card is WAAAAAAY too busted.
Also, I am curious to see how long Blizzard will take to nerf paladin. It took them no time to nerf shaman every single time people were crying that it was out of control and in a way that put it completely out of play. Now I really want to see what happens. If it's a shaman special treatment or if it's the same for other classes. I doubt it tho I'm afraid
Dude, you want to nerf Avenge? Even now Avenge isn't that strong of a card. Sure, it's one of the better Paladin secrets, but it's not like you can't easily play around it if you know it's there. If you're facing secret Paladin, then there's a high likelihood that they'll be running Avenge.
Sorry but no. This specific secret is probably the only one that can’t be played around. Early game that 3/2 is busted and often very hard to counter. It means board control. I can outplay OhmyYogg a lot more easily by luring it out. It’s like a worse counterspell so I don’t see the big deal
Mage
Refreshing Spring Water
I guess this one doesn't need any explanation. Mage has at the moment the highest draw potential ever. THEY DON'T NEED THIS OP CARD
Paladin
Avenge
In this new setting, this card is WAAAAAAY too busted.
Also, I am curious to see how long Blizzard will take to nerf paladin. It took them no time to nerf shaman every single time people were crying that it was out of control and in a way that put it completely out of play. Now I really want to see what happens. If it's a shaman special treatment or if it's the same for other classes. I doubt it tho I'm afraid
Oh My Yogg! is much worse. Control decks have rather poor board presence in early game, so their only way to address early boards is to use removal spells. This single secret can make you lose the game as soon, as turn 2-3. Yesterday my Warlock's hero power got "buffed" by Wildfire... GG.
It seems blizzard has in general a problem with balancing secrets. The new wild meta soon is secret mage vs secret paladin.
Many more than this needs nerf.
"Minion to minion the basic of all combats, only a fool trusts his win to an OTK"
Thanks team 5 once again it’s proof that Iksar and co don’t playtest at all. They don’t care about this product.
Are you saying mage has the best draw of all the classes right now or that mages draw now is the best it's ever been? On both accounts you're wrong, druid, DH, warlock and even warrior can burn through their decks very quickly right now. And mages draw was at its best when they had Aluneth.
What? Avenge is not what makes secret paladin good right now, it's certainly a very good for a paladin secret but not in desperate need of a nerf.
For me the strongest/most oppressive cards right now are:
Deck of Lunacy this became way to consistent after the rotation and core set and meme card that become top tier are often sent to the chopping blocks.
Tickatus Another meme card that has made its way into an incredibly powerful deck, Warlock already has the best control tools right now, so throwing tickatus in there as well just blows every other control deck away. Also pretty terrible to play against since there's no real counter to it.
Pen Flinger So much damage/value from this 1 card.
I'd rather see buffs for Shaman, priest and warrior than nerfs to the above.
Rogue, Mage, Paladin, Warlock and to lesser extents Druid, hunter and DH all have usable decks which have good winrates.
Sure there are some strong plays right now for various classes, but when has that not been the case?
I'm not seeing any deck as over played or as strong as Gala Shaman or DH when it first came out right now at my current rank of D5 - D1.
I'm assuming you haven't looked at any statistics yet, but druid has the third worst win rate as of the time of writing this, followed by warrior and priest as second and absolute worst, respectively. Druid isn't in a good spot right now either as none of the new cards really play into a consistent archetype.
You're building you decks wrong then. Primordial Druid can outplay a lot of decks pretty early
Druid is gonna be good when people figure out the token deck with the new tauren legendary, no way it stays at third worst win rate with the current druid cards
Refreshing Spring Water is pretty broken in spell mage my guy. Draw 2 cards and gain 2 mana (or zero cost at worst) is way too strong. It should at least be nerfed to "restore 1 mana crystal for each spell".
I agree on Avenge though, it isn't the issue.
Deck of Lunacy doesn't seem that bad, I havent had any issues with it so far. 58% winrate is decently strong, but spell mage is already strong, in large part thanks to the previously mentioned Spring Water and the amount of value generation mage has rn (Font, Runed Orb, Ring Toss, Apexis Smuggler off Font, Evoke, Reno, etc)
Tickatus is not that strong. He rose to 54% winrate because Jaraxxus is strong af. But he's solidly Tier 2.
And Pen Flinger also dropped down, he's at 56% rn. I do think he should be nerfed, but not because he's OP, just because he's annoying as hell to play against. He should be Spellburst: add a temporary copy to your hand that deals 1/1, you'd get more minion value but then it's limited by board size and you couldn't just return him to your hand to protect him.
Pen Finger : 2 mana.
Deck of Lunacy : 5 mana
Libram : 4 mana so less opressive in the early game. In mid-late game it still free.
Spring Water : 6 mana
Tickakus : 8 mana
Pen Flinger - Only hits minions
Deck of Lunacy - 4 or 5 mana
Refreshing Spring Water - Only refreshes 1 mana crystal per spell
Far Watch Post - now is a 2/3
Tickatus - Mills 3 cards rather than 5
Sword of the Fallen - Durability reduced from 3 to 2
Animated Broomstick - 2 or 3 mana
I'd also like to see Oh my Yogg! changed but to be honest i have no idea how you change that card without frankly just deleting it
Sword of the Fallen and/or Oh my Yogg need a nerf. The value of the sword is insane for 2 manas and Oh my yogg is just a counter spell for 1 mana.
Pen flinger also needs a nerf, too powerful and almost no counterplay. I can’t imagine a year with this card staying like this...
Dude, you want to nerf Avenge? Even now Avenge isn't that strong of a card. Sure, it's one of the better Paladin secrets, but it's not like you can't easily play around it if you know it's there. If you're facing secret Paladin, then there's a high likelihood that they'll be running Avenge.
Everyone is mad about Deck of Lunacy and I decided to make the No Minion Spell but without Deck of Lunacy since I don't have the card and the Deck Destroyed every class even aggro pala. I played from bronze to gold with 7/0 w/r . soo... ya I don't think Deck of Lunacy is the problem with this deck .. Or what is blizzard supposed to do nerf every draw card so that mage doesn't cycle as fast ? There is no way.
So just kill every single card because you have the mental fortitude of a toddler and can't handle losing to them once in a while?
ahhaha yep exactly NERF EVERYTHING.
Is everyone playing meme decks against paladin??? I really dont know whats the problem, i havent lost a single game against secret paladin( yes against libram and because pen flinger is toxic af).
Mage is the problem here, it needs 0 skils to play it, just rng with the random spells
Sorry but no. This specific secret is probably the only one that can’t be played around. Early game that 3/2 is busted and often very hard to counter. It means board control. I can outplay OhmyYogg a lot more easily by luring it out. It’s like a worse counterspell so I don’t see the big deal