I do not play arena outside of when I am given free tickets and I have not bought (with real currency) any cards since the last adventure 'One Night in Karazhan came out'
I do however complete all my quests every 3 days and climb to Legend, minimum rank 5 in wild.
In wild there are a few very competitive decks that cost 2-4k dust and are more than capable of getting to Legend and those will be with you forever since it is an eternal format.
But lets say you play standard only and you can only get up to around rank 15 or 10. Just by doing the quests ever 3 days you will amass about 8000 - 9000 gold between expansions. So you can get about 80 - 90 packs not including the freebies they throw your way.
In total from just spending 30 minutes in game per day (we assume a single quest takes 30 minutes which it doesn't and I am being generous considering how piss easy they are now) you are rewarded with about 70% of the expansion just from playing.
By dusting the useless cards, the dust you get from gold and extras are enough to craft a single cheap meta deck.
So again it's not p2w since, high quantity of dust does not equate to higher winrate, it is pay 2 advance. The larger your collection, the more decks you can play.
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I started in mid-December and when Witchwood released (~4 months of playing) managed to collect 10,1k dust.
However, I did have help with some unusual circumstances and did spend money.
1- Hall of Fame. A few days before the HOF, I got 3400 dust. Crafted 2x golden Molten Giant. I had 2x Ice Blocks and 2x Coldlights from packs. Got 5k dust from the HOF where normally I would have 3400 (profit of 1600 dust - disenchanted Giants, kept Ice Blocks and Oracles). Total: 5000 dust.
2- Rotation. Since Old Gods and MSOG were rotating very soon, I only opened 10 packs to get the guaranteed first legendary. Got 800 dust from both legendaries and a few extra from epics and rares. I think I got around 1,3k dust from disenchanting those sets. Total: 6300 dust.
3- Pre-order. Bought the Witchwood pre-order. Opened around 100 packs for WW. Got around 1,6k dust from duplicates. Total: 8000 dust.
4- Golden cards. Got me around 2,1k dust I guess to get tot that 10,1k dust. Total: 10,1k dust.
Crafted Lich King as first legendary simply because. Then I got lucky with some packs. For example, Even Shaman was the first deck I crafted because I had Al'akir from Welcome Bundle and Kalimos from first 10 Un'goro packs and opened Genn Greymane on Witchwood pre-order. I only needed ~1k dust for Corpsetakers and Primalfin Totems.
Before Even Paladin was all the rage, I also crafted because I only needed 2k dust for Tarim and 2x Call to Arms.
I still had more than 5k dust left and could craft Spiteful Druid (SUPER lucky on packs, had 2 UIs, Branching Paths and etc from packs - only needed Malfurion, Keleseth, Leeroy and 2x Spiteful).
However, I decided to wait since I already had two good decks (Even Paladin would prove to be broken). Since both Even Shaman and Even Paladin were pretty similar (both Midrange) and Spiteful Druid was also Midrange, I went for a total different archetype: Control Warlock.
I needed around 6,3k dust for this one because contrary to Paladin, Shaman and Druid, I was really unlucky with Warlock and had to craft every single card (still don't have second Doomsayer - first I opened from a pack). I disenchanted some really crappy epics like Glacial Mysteries and etc and made up that difference. No legendary disenchanted.
So in 4 months, I had Even Shaman, Even Paladin and Control Warlock. 0 dust left. Three top decks, two broken and got nerfed (Even Paladin pretty much destroyed).
1 month and a half later: I bought more packs with gold and money (today 40 KnC packs - netted me Lynessa Sunsorrow and Twig of the World Tree, along useful epics like Carnivorous Cube, Arcane Tyrant, Level Up and many commons and rares I was missing.
With golden cards obtained + duplicates + nerfed cards refund I have ~4k dust. If I disenchant a little more aggressive, say the Epics and Legendaries I mentioned above, I could possibly get to 7k dust.
If Even Paladin wasn't nerfed, I would have by now Even Shaman (without Hagatha), Even Paladin (without Val'anyr) and Control Warlock (I'm not even running Doomsayers anymore). I could craft those two cards now and still have spare dust.
Cube Warlock - Need Taldaram, Umbra and Skull - 4800 dust. Could cut Taldaram, though.
Token Druid - Only need Malfurion and 1x Branching Paths - 2000 dust. Lucky, got two Wispering Woods from WW pre-order.
Malygos Druid - Only need Malfurion, Malygos, 1x Branching Paths and 1x Faceless Manipulator - 4000 dust.
Toggwaggle Druid - Only need Malfurion, Toggwaggle and 1x Branching Paths - 3600 dust.
Taunt Druid - Only need Hadronox and 1x Branching Paths - 2000 dust.
Tempo Mage - Only need 1x Primordial Glyph, 2x Counterspell and 1x Kirin Tor Mage - 700 dust
Odd Paladin - Only need Baku, 1x Level Up and 1-2 Divine Favor - 2200 dust.
Odd Rogue - Only need Baku and 2x Vilespines - 2400 dust.
Spell Hunter - Only need DK Rexxar, Rok'delar and 2x To My Side - 4000 dust
Can't make Priest and Warrior without a really big commitment.
For Big Spell Mage I have Jaina and the Epics, but none of the other 4-6 legendaries.
For Warrior, I'm missing Shield Slams, Brawls, DK, Quest, Primordial Drakes... too much stuff. I have Woecleaver for Recruit, none of the other fringe legendaries.
For Priest I'm missing even more stuff: all the epics (Shadow Visions, Psychic Scream, Cabal Shadow Priest, Primordial Drakes, ) and legs (Anduin, Alexstrasza, Quest, Benedictus).
Shudderwock needs 5 legendaries and 4 epics I don't have.
Anyway, from the dust I have and could amass, the two most expensive (Cubelock and Spell Hunter/Malygos Druid) would be 8,4k dust and could be perfectly doable. With just Malfurion I would be really close to completing all Druid decks (4 in total). Going to cheapest to more expensive, I could craft 3-4 more decks.
So six months in I can have anywhere to 4 to 8 top decks (including Even Paladin, even if it's now T4 or worse but it was THE deck awhile ago). I'd say not bad.
However, I will say again, I got a lot of help from the Hall of Fame and rotation, which OP didn't have. I bought Welcome Bundle, Mammoth Bundle, Witchwood pre-order and 40 KnC packs (~$120 total). OP said he got even more resources not only without spending a dime, but also in far less time.
So while it wouldn't be unbelievable that OP managed to craft BSM, Taunt Druid and I'm guessing Odd Rogue, Odd Paladin and Odd Warrior in so short of a time with luck (Jaina from KOFT prologue, Geddon or Alex from first 10 Classic Packs, Sindra from first 10 KOFT, etc), aggressive disenchanting and aggressive farming, that IS still a lot. Because according to him it isn't just BSM, but 3-4 other decks, which is way over 20k dust.
While it can look like OP is trying to bait people, specially when not saying specifically what he did or how lucky he got, it definitely wouldn't be impossible. Maybe he really got that 100g everyday or is an Arena god.
But then we have to reply that a new player would not play Arena in any decent way when starting. Would not know right away what to craft, disenchant and how to save resources (it would take a few weeks to 1-2 months to find places like Hearthpwn, Reddit, etc) and definitely wouldn't have the skill/cards to grind 100g/day for 3 months.
I call BS. I understand that it is technically possible to get the dust for this, but I don't believe a new player could amass that, learn to netdeck, and make this deck without either insane luck or 24/7 dedication.
I consider myself a successful f2p player, with over 30 standard legendaries and a few wild ones. I started playing mid gadgetzan. I have been incredibly dedicated to the game, burn probably about a quest a month, and have never missed a brawl.
That being said, in 3 months there was no way I could have crafted a 16.2 k dust deck. In un-goro, my best decks were quest rogue (packed the quest), midrange hunter, and n'zoth warrior (n'zoth was my first legendary craft).
So while I agree that the game is f2p for the dedicated, I dont believe it only took 3 months and no money to build that deck.
i am f2p player ,been playing three year (complete every daily quest) so i can confirm this is not true, sure you can play the game free but have this 15-16k dust in three month what a joke
You're right this game is not P2W. In fact, it never was and it never will be. However, it is Pay 2 Advance essentially following the recipe of every single card game in the world.
Not gonna argue with you, we all have our own definition of P2W but if you're gonna make that argument you need to include the word 'collectible' or 'trading' or some such before 'card game'.
Yeah we have to assume what you mean but it kinda comes across like you're trying to add some leverage by leaving the word out and pretending we're all in one big fanclub.
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I do not play arena outside of when I am given free tickets and I have not bought (with real currency) any cards since the last adventure 'One Night in Karazhan came out'
I do however complete all my quests every 3 days and climb to Legend, minimum rank 5 in wild.
In wild there are a few very competitive decks that cost 2-4k dust and are more than capable of getting to Legend and those will be with you forever since it is an eternal format.
But lets say you play standard only and you can only get up to around rank 15 or 10. Just by doing the quests ever 3 days you will amass about 8000 - 9000 gold between expansions. So you can get about 80 - 90 packs not including the freebies they throw your way.
In total from just spending 30 minutes in game per day (we assume a single quest takes 30 minutes which it doesn't and I am being generous considering how piss easy they are now) you are rewarded with about 70% of the expansion just from playing.
By dusting the useless cards, the dust you get from gold and extras are enough to craft a single cheap meta deck.
So again it's not p2w since, high quantity of dust does not equate to higher winrate, it is pay 2 advance. The larger your collection, the more decks you can play.
Had to disenchant all my Wild cards since Naxxramas in order to have any hope of making a good deck.
I started in mid-December and when Witchwood released (~4 months of playing) managed to collect 10,1k dust.
However, I did have help with some unusual circumstances and did spend money.
1- Hall of Fame. A few days before the HOF, I got 3400 dust. Crafted 2x golden Molten Giant. I had 2x Ice Blocks and 2x Coldlights from packs. Got 5k dust from the HOF where normally I would have 3400 (profit of 1600 dust - disenchanted Giants, kept Ice Blocks and Oracles). Total: 5000 dust.
2- Rotation. Since Old Gods and MSOG were rotating very soon, I only opened 10 packs to get the guaranteed first legendary. Got 800 dust from both legendaries and a few extra from epics and rares. I think I got around 1,3k dust from disenchanting those sets. Total: 6300 dust.
3- Pre-order. Bought the Witchwood pre-order. Opened around 100 packs for WW. Got around 1,6k dust from duplicates. Total: 8000 dust.
4- Golden cards. Got me around 2,1k dust I guess to get tot that 10,1k dust. Total: 10,1k dust.
Crafted Lich King as first legendary simply because. Then I got lucky with some packs. For example, Even Shaman was the first deck I crafted because I had Al'akir from Welcome Bundle and Kalimos from first 10 Un'goro packs and opened Genn Greymane on Witchwood pre-order. I only needed ~1k dust for Corpsetakers and Primalfin Totems.
Before Even Paladin was all the rage, I also crafted because I only needed 2k dust for Tarim and 2x Call to Arms.
I still had more than 5k dust left and could craft Spiteful Druid (SUPER lucky on packs, had 2 UIs, Branching Paths and etc from packs - only needed Malfurion, Keleseth, Leeroy and 2x Spiteful).
However, I decided to wait since I already had two good decks (Even Paladin would prove to be broken). Since both Even Shaman and Even Paladin were pretty similar (both Midrange) and Spiteful Druid was also Midrange, I went for a total different archetype: Control Warlock.
I needed around 6,3k dust for this one because contrary to Paladin, Shaman and Druid, I was really unlucky with Warlock and had to craft every single card (still don't have second Doomsayer - first I opened from a pack). I disenchanted some really crappy epics like Glacial Mysteries and etc and made up that difference. No legendary disenchanted.
So in 4 months, I had Even Shaman, Even Paladin and Control Warlock. 0 dust left. Three top decks, two broken and got nerfed (Even Paladin pretty much destroyed).
And I didn't disenchant aggressively. I still have crappy epics like 2xToxic Arrow, Stampede. Light's Sorrow, Embrace Darkness, Cataclysm, etc. And even more crappy legendaries like Clutchmother Zavas, The Beast, Dragon Soul, Bolvar, Fireblood, etc.
1 month and a half later: I bought more packs with gold and money (today 40 KnC packs - netted me Lynessa Sunsorrow and Twig of the World Tree, along useful epics like Carnivorous Cube, Arcane Tyrant, Level Up and many commons and rares I was missing.
With golden cards obtained + duplicates + nerfed cards refund I have ~4k dust. If I disenchant a little more aggressive, say the Epics and Legendaries I mentioned above, I could possibly get to 7k dust.
If Even Paladin wasn't nerfed, I would have by now Even Shaman (without Hagatha), Even Paladin (without Val'anyr) and Control Warlock (I'm not even running Doomsayers anymore). I could craft those two cards now and still have spare dust.
As for other current top decks:
Even Warlock - Need 1x Doomsayer and 2x Mountain Giant and 2x Twilight Drake - 1400 dust.
Cube Warlock - Need Taldaram, Umbra and Skull - 4800 dust. Could cut Taldaram, though.
Token Druid - Only need Malfurion and 1x Branching Paths - 2000 dust. Lucky, got two Wispering Woods from WW pre-order.
Malygos Druid - Only need Malfurion, Malygos, 1x Branching Paths and 1x Faceless Manipulator - 4000 dust.
Toggwaggle Druid - Only need Malfurion, Toggwaggle and 1x Branching Paths - 3600 dust.
Taunt Druid - Only need Hadronox and 1x Branching Paths - 2000 dust.
Tempo Mage - Only need 1x Primordial Glyph, 2x Counterspell and 1x Kirin Tor Mage - 700 dust
Odd Paladin - Only need Baku, 1x Level Up and 1-2 Divine Favor - 2200 dust.
Odd Rogue - Only need Baku and 2x Vilespines - 2400 dust.
Spell Hunter - Only need DK Rexxar, Rok'delar and 2x To My Side - 4000 dust
Can't make Priest and Warrior without a really big commitment.
For Big Spell Mage I have Jaina and the Epics, but none of the other 4-6 legendaries.
For Warrior, I'm missing Shield Slams, Brawls, DK, Quest, Primordial Drakes... too much stuff. I have Woecleaver for Recruit, none of the other fringe legendaries.
For Priest I'm missing even more stuff: all the epics (Shadow Visions, Psychic Scream, Cabal Shadow Priest, Primordial Drakes, ) and legs (Anduin, Alexstrasza, Quest, Benedictus).
Shudderwock needs 5 legendaries and 4 epics I don't have.
Anyway, from the dust I have and could amass, the two most expensive (Cubelock and Spell Hunter/Malygos Druid) would be 8,4k dust and could be perfectly doable. With just Malfurion I would be really close to completing all Druid decks (4 in total). Going to cheapest to more expensive, I could craft 3-4 more decks.
So six months in I can have anywhere to 4 to 8 top decks (including Even Paladin, even if it's now T4 or worse but it was THE deck awhile ago). I'd say not bad.
However, I will say again, I got a lot of help from the Hall of Fame and rotation, which OP didn't have. I bought Welcome Bundle, Mammoth Bundle, Witchwood pre-order and 40 KnC packs (~$120 total). OP said he got even more resources not only without spending a dime, but also in far less time.
So while it wouldn't be unbelievable that OP managed to craft BSM, Taunt Druid and I'm guessing Odd Rogue, Odd Paladin and Odd Warrior in so short of a time with luck (Jaina from KOFT prologue, Geddon or Alex from first 10 Classic Packs, Sindra from first 10 KOFT, etc), aggressive disenchanting and aggressive farming, that IS still a lot. Because according to him it isn't just BSM, but 3-4 other decks, which is way over 20k dust.
While it can look like OP is trying to bait people, specially when not saying specifically what he did or how lucky he got, it definitely wouldn't be impossible. Maybe he really got that 100g everyday or is an Arena god.
But then we have to reply that a new player would not play Arena in any decent way when starting. Would not know right away what to craft, disenchant and how to save resources (it would take a few weeks to 1-2 months to find places like Hearthpwn, Reddit, etc) and definitely wouldn't have the skill/cards to grind 100g/day for 3 months.
I call BS. I understand that it is technically possible to get the dust for this, but I don't believe a new player could amass that, learn to netdeck, and make this deck without either insane luck or 24/7 dedication.
I consider myself a successful f2p player, with over 30 standard legendaries and a few wild ones. I started playing mid gadgetzan. I have been incredibly dedicated to the game, burn probably about a quest a month, and have never missed a brawl.
That being said, in 3 months there was no way I could have crafted a 16.2 k dust deck. In un-goro, my best decks were quest rogue (packed the quest), midrange hunter, and n'zoth warrior (n'zoth was my first legendary craft).
So while I agree that the game is f2p for the dedicated, I dont believe it only took 3 months and no money to build that deck.
i am f2p player ,been playing three year (complete every daily quest) so i can confirm this is not true, sure you can play the game free but have this 15-16k dust in three month what a joke
Not gonna argue with you, we all have our own definition of P2W but if you're gonna make that argument you need to include the word 'collectible' or 'trading' or some such before 'card game'.
Yeah we have to assume what you mean but it kinda comes across like you're trying to add some leverage by leaving the word out and pretending we're all in one big fanclub.