The entire mage class should be rotated to the HOF.
That comment belongs to the salty thread where i see u a lot. Ice Block has been discussed but that kills exodia mage which heavily relies on it and is a very hard deck to pilot with a very low winrate. Cards like pyroblast and fireball are the real problem with mages. But then again it wouldn't be a mage without high damage spells
I think that HoF was only one time thing... And if not, there is no way there will move classic class legendary to it. You are so narrow minded, if you try to compare ragnaros or sylvanas with edwin or tirion... what is "included in almost every deck" in comparison to "included in almost every paladin"? And the second statement is not even remotely true...
This is just salty thread where people are crying about their favourite class and why it does not have specific mechanics of other classes
Ok, make something clear, Ice Block 99,9% is going to be HoF'ed, that's cause developers already told us they are going to do something with this card as it's seen by them as problematic.
I also want to remind you that the last time when HoF was introduced, they carefully chosed most problematic cards as those were either overused (Ragnaros was auto-include in every single control deck, and even in aggro as finisher) or limiting design space (ice lance and power overhelmig allowed us for super easy otk combo, because of them they couldn't print more controlish cards for warlock and mage nor burst/freeze for mage). So now, knowing that, if you get through classic set, suddenly it turns out there is really no such cards. If any card will be hofed from this point most likely it will be Shadowstep, Divine Favor and Leeroy Jenkins along with Doomguard
Rogue already had their Quest nerfed and they are losing Gadgetzan Ferryman with the next rotation. Sure they got Cheat Death and they could always use Ancient Brewmaster, but the very nature of the Quest is to sacrifice tempo for completion. Without Preparation and Shadowstep this deck if officially dead.
In regards to Ice Block I haven't read anywhere that it is guaranteed that it will go to the HoF. If that has been said, I would like to know where. But since we're losing Eater of Secrets with the rotation and Blizzard just gave Rogue three new secrets, Hunter and Mage each a new viable secret along with Arcanologist and Hydrologist which will be sticking around for the next year and it's likely that new secrets will be released for all secret classes in the next expansion, I suspect that we are gonna get between one and three new tech cards which greatly diminish the usefulness of Ice Block.
Ice Block - Not much to be said about this, it rewards people for simply adding it to their deck and allows them to ignore the board (within reason/knowing they won't be popped anytime soon) and just spam spells at face or piece together combos for cheesy victories.
Alexstrasza - It'd be sad to see Alex go but given various power cards like priests Quest Card or even big heals that just get directly countered by this, I can see why it would go if they did decide to ship it off to HOF.
Stonetusk Boar - Strange choice, right? well, this is basically going by what Blizzard said awhile back that cards like Stonetusk Boar actually give them the most trouble when it comes to making new cards so I wouldn't at all be surprised to see it disappear into the HOF/Wild.
Divine Favor - every time Paladins have had an aggro deck meta, this has been a 100% auto-include, it's a boring card and rewards people for just emptying their hands.
Stonetusk Boar is downright broken with rogue quest
now that cubelock didn't got nerfed I am convinced Doomguard will be HOF'ed.
Kinda makes sense cause since control warlock will get hit with Nzoth rotating out so cube would dominate warlock class but at same time idk killling 2 archetypes in one go
i will be pissed if they send Doomguard to HOF. Its the first time after long time that Warlock has the control and now aggro netdeckers dont like 5 hit in the face when they face taunts while they would hit for 11 or more with their "balanced" call to arms card.
Well TBH they might just leave cubelock untouched, I mean.. it's a new archtype they were sorta.. pushing for and warlock has been very weak until KOC, on the other hand it might just wrap up the meta after rotation, although.. some other decks aren't losing too many cards rotation
SOme paladin decks (That are the top RN) aren't losing much to rotation either (also adding to the possibility of DF getting HOF'ed)
and misstress + N'zoth are a big deal
Some people said I am salty about those cards, actually not at all, I just oppened it for disscussion cause it's something that's GONNA happen and I wanted to know people's opinions, and some cards are gonna get HOF'ed.
Last year we got the HOF announcement in mid february BTW, so they might jsut announce the list in a few days.
So it's 2018 and in one month or so we get the announcement for the next year standard format, and with it the next HOF list.
So I would like to discuss which cards will get rotated there.
We know team 5 plans on rotating Ice Block that's for sure. and Gadgetzan Auctioneer will also probably rotate as blizzard stated a lot of times they were looking at him as a candidate, so I won't list them in my list if you wanna elaborate and think they won't rotate out it's fine.
Last time they rotated 6 cards it might be less or more this time who knows.. list cards you think will rotate.
they either are too much of an auto include or blocking design space they also are from the classic set, and NOT the basic set.
My list:
1. Nourish - Druid has too much card draw and ramp and this card just lets them do both in the same card, depending on situation and it does a lot of both.
2. Savannah Highmane - I Think they would rotate him to make room for other strong beasts for hunter, We will hate them for that probably.
3. Divine Favor - might be too strong in aggro paladin, every time aggro paladin is a thing this card turns very problematic there.
4. Preparation - HUGE design space for rogue spells here, they need to consider rogue can cheat them with prep..
5. Shadowstep- It's also a candidate I think Blizzard is think about rotating out, cause it also was problematic a number of times.
6. Frothing Berserker - although warrior sucks atm this card was always a problem card in every tempo/aggressive warrior.
7. Leeroy Jenkins - Blizzard doesn't like charge minions that aren't pirates with 1 attack, that are played from the deck.
8. Flame Imp or Doomguard - flagship card in zoo, they might want to kill the deck (?)
9. Doomsayer - Used a lot in control a really strong card will probably see a lot of play against once the rotation kicks off or corridor creeper get the nerf bat.
BTW sorry it seems I am against Rogue, I actually like the class a lot, but it's a prediction which cards might get rotated out not which ones I want to be rotated out.
In the least offensive way I can think to say this, this list is terrible. They aren't going to HOF classic legendaries from some classes and not others. That's a huge "fuck you" to new players who open them and greatly shifts the balance of power in deck construction, as some classes will need more dust during rotations than others. They also aren't going to rotate gadgetzan auctioneer. They already recognized that it isn't the "instant include/win more" card people think it is at 6 mana and requires skill to use (unless you make jade idol 2.0, which blizzard shouldn't do whether G.A. is in standard or not).
The rest of these picks are devastating blows to deck construction for new players. Most archetypes in the game from these classes need these cards to exist competitively. Rogue already has 0 board clears, how shitty would it be to also not have high tempo removal? Shadowstep, like any buff spell, trades a slot in the deck for the effect. There's nothing wrong with it as long as Blizzard doesn't print Prince 2's (which they shouldn't do regardless).
Honestly, I wouldn't HoF anything at this point. I don't want the classic set to be a pile of garbage that new players get sucked into buying out of insecurity that they need cards that will survive rotations. Good players can counter almost anything you see in classic if it gets used enough to warrant even a cursory discussion in HoF, and if it's not being used much in the meta, what's the point of changing it? If Blizz is willing to buff some of the absolutely worthless cards in classic in exchange, HoF would be more well received, IMO. As it is, I don't want them messing things up more.
Wow, so much overreaction in this thread. Even though I see some reasoning for some of the mentioned cards in the comments and original post, I simply don't understand the Shadowstep hate. That card was so underplayed until quest rogue. They even explained then that they designed some cards in a way that older unused cards could find a home in new decks, and I bet this is one of the cases since the quest is obviously designed around it. After the quest nerf Shadowstep disappeared again until the infamous Prince Keleseth + Shadowstep combo. But that's because Keleseth is so stupidly powerful. I guess people remember it as a broken card because they associate it with negative emotions due to loosing against some of the most unfun situations ever (quest completed t4 and keleseth + Shadowstep t2). It's kinda like complaining about Equality cause you can efficiently and cheaply clear the board if you control a Wild Pyromancer which is annoying.
I think only Ice Block will rotate. Small chance for Auctioneer and/or Alex.
The other cards seem fine.
I also think they might need to change and add some stuff to the Classic set. The power difference in some cards is really starting to show lately.
Or maybe periodically rotate cards from other expansions in and out. Though that could be a little harmful to people who only play Standard as you would never know when a card could be safely dusted and then worry it would come back and be really important and you would have to craft it again...
Wait, where are the HOF for Northshire Cleric and Mana Wyrm exactly? These two cards should have gone out with Tunnel Trogg, but somehow managed to escape the cut back then and it was a huge misstep from Blizzard.
I disagree. Cleric makes it so players have to actually think about their early plays instead of just automatically and brainlessly thinking they can always drop an early minion that can't trade against a turn one Cleric. Mana Wyrm helps to keep control in check. If aggro has no good turn one play then they typically aren't going to have control of tempo in the early game. If they have no tempo early on they won't win against control most of the time because the control player will not feel pressured/threatened. The idea is to help keep aggro in check, not prevent it from winning against control.
Cleric is completely counter-interactive. She prevents you from playing almost any 1 drop and doesnt even die from trades. Wyrm is no different to trogg and should have gone out with that card.
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Many people crafted raza anduin and kazakus for that deck and now its dead
The entire mage class should be rotated to the HOF.
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Sure. Just rotate all basic cards. Problem solved
I think that HoF was only one time thing... And if not, there is no way there will move classic class legendary to it. You are so narrow minded, if you try to compare ragnaros or sylvanas with edwin or tirion... what is "included in almost every deck" in comparison to "included in almost every paladin"? And the second statement is not even remotely true...
This is just salty thread where people are crying about their favourite class and why it does not have specific mechanics of other classes
Ok, make something clear, Ice Block 99,9% is going to be HoF'ed, that's cause developers already told us they are going to do something with this card as it's seen by them as problematic.
I also want to remind you that the last time when HoF was introduced, they carefully chosed most problematic cards as those were either overused (Ragnaros was auto-include in every single control deck, and even in aggro as finisher) or limiting design space (ice lance and power overhelmig allowed us for super easy otk combo, because of them they couldn't print more controlish cards for warlock and mage nor burst/freeze for mage). So now, knowing that, if you get through classic set, suddenly it turns out there is really no such cards. If any card will be hofed from this point most likely it will be Shadowstep, Divine Favor and Leeroy Jenkins along with Doomguard
Everybody keeps saying Preparation, Shadowstep and Ice Block will be put in the HoF but let's consider...
Rogue already had their Quest nerfed and they are losing Gadgetzan Ferryman with the next rotation. Sure they got Cheat Death and they could always use Ancient Brewmaster, but the very nature of the Quest is to sacrifice tempo for completion. Without Preparation and Shadowstep this deck if officially dead.
In regards to Ice Block I haven't read anywhere that it is guaranteed that it will go to the HoF. If that has been said, I would like to know where. But since we're losing Eater of Secrets with the rotation and Blizzard just gave Rogue three new secrets, Hunter and Mage each a new viable secret along with Arcanologist and Hydrologist which will be sticking around for the next year and it's likely that new secrets will be released for all secret classes in the next expansion, I suspect that we are gonna get between one and three new tech cards which greatly diminish the usefulness of Ice Block.
now that cubelock didn't got nerfed I am convinced Doomguard will be HOF'ed.
now that cubelock didn't got nerfed I am convinced Doomguard will be HOF'ed.
i will be pissed if they send Doomguard to HOF. Its the first time after long time that Warlock has the control and now aggro netdeckers dont like 5 hit in the face when they face taunts while they would hit for 11 or more with their "balanced" call to arms card.
Blizzard is a lie for money lul
Well TBH they might just leave cubelock untouched, I mean.. it's a new archtype they were sorta.. pushing for and warlock has been very weak until KOC, on the other hand it might just wrap up the meta after rotation, although.. some other decks aren't losing too many cards rotation
SOme paladin decks (That are the top RN) aren't losing much to rotation either (also adding to the possibility of DF getting HOF'ed)
and misstress + N'zoth are a big deal
Some people said I am salty about those cards, actually not at all, I just oppened it for disscussion cause it's something that's GONNA happen and I wanted to know people's opinions, and some cards are gonna get HOF'ed.
Last year we got the HOF announcement in mid february BTW, so they might jsut announce the list in a few days.
lets just rotate out the entire classic set while we're at it
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Wow, so much overreaction in this thread.
Even though I see some reasoning for some of the mentioned cards in the comments and original post, I simply don't understand the Shadowstep hate. That card was so underplayed until quest rogue. They even explained then that they designed some cards in a way that older unused cards could find a home in new decks, and I bet this is one of the cases since the quest is obviously designed around it. After the quest nerf Shadowstep disappeared again until the infamous Prince Keleseth + Shadowstep combo. But that's because Keleseth is so stupidly powerful. I guess people remember it as a broken card because they associate it with negative emotions due to loosing against some of the most unfun situations ever (quest completed t4 and keleseth + Shadowstep t2). It's kinda like complaining about Equality cause you can efficiently and cheaply clear the board if you control a Wild Pyromancer which is annoying.
I think only Ice Block will rotate. Small chance for Auctioneer and/or Alex.
The other cards seem fine.
I also think they might need to change and add some stuff to the Classic set. The power difference in some cards is really starting to show lately.
Or maybe periodically rotate cards from other expansions in and out. Though that could be a little harmful to people who only play Standard as you would never know when a card could be safely dusted and then worry it would come back and be really important and you would have to craft it again...