BTW sorry it seems I am against Rogue, I actually like the class a lot, but it's a prediction which cards might get rotated out not which ones I want to be rotated out.
In the least offensive way I can think to say this, this list is terrible. They aren't going to HOF classic legendaries from some classes and not others. That's a huge "fuck you" to new players who open them and greatly shifts the balance of power in deck construction, as some classes will need more dust during rotations than others. They also aren't going to rotate gadgetzan auctioneer. They already recognized that it isn't the "instant include/win more" card people think it is at 6 mana and requires skill to use (unless you make jade idol 2.0, which blizzard shouldn't do whether G.A. is in standard or not).
The rest of these picks are devastating blows to deck construction for new players. Most archetypes in the game from these classes need these cards to exist competitively. Rogue already has 0 board clears, how shitty would it be to also not have high tempo removal? Shadowstep, like any buff spell, trades a slot in the deck for the effect. There's nothing wrong with it as long as Blizzard doesn't print Prince 2's (which they shouldn't do regardless).
Honestly, I wouldn't HoF anything at this point. I don't want the classic set to be a pile of garbage that new players get sucked into buying out of insecurity that they need cards that will survive rotations. Good players can counter almost anything you see in classic if it gets used enough to warrant even a cursory discussion in HoF, and if it's not being used much in the meta, what's the point of changing it? If Blizz is willing to buff some of the absolutely worthless cards in classic in exchange, HoF would be more well received, IMO. As it is, I don't want them messing things up more.
You quoted the whole opening post, and yet you didn't read the bold line at the end (it's part of the quote I didn't just add it.
a few points to make my point clearer.
1. I don't necessarily want any of those cards to rotate out, I really like new decks and changes but also seeing some cards getting new combos uses.
2, Blizzard never buffed cards before, they although I believe that if they buff anything it needs to be from the basic set, or introducing other cards INTO the basic set, specially in up and down classes like paladin, priest and warrior that should have some fundament cards to help make them constantly better rather than having to have broken cards.
3. there will be HOF it's a fact, Blizzard confirmed they will do it this year too.
4. Those are predictions, and I think the class legendaries are the weakest prediction of them all as Team 5 probably do want them to be staple forever in each class as they offer class identity, as well as a powerhouse that each class can get their hands off, all of them can serve as a finisher
5. The new player/F2P experience is another issue, that Blizzard should address separately from card balance, I hate that the balance of the game have to do with how hard it is to get the cards, they should touch the value of epic cards in my opinion, legendary cards are ok, epics are too rare or cost too much.
6.I would prefer if it wasn't HOF but more of a rotating core set of cards but what can we do.
7. It's more of a what if, maybe it's less of a predicament and more of a guessing game, knowing Blizzard philosophy I doubt we will see more than 6 cards like last time it's probably around that number.
I really hope Gadgetzan Auctioneer gets HOF'ed because of how it's severely limiting design space.
I don't really see Ice Block beeing that problematic, but it looks like they aim to do something about it I guess.
Divine Favor might just be too good and it would be interesting if they let doomguard go as well.
What I would actually really like to see (but which is probably never going to happen) is the hole Classic set getting the HOF treatment. The classic set limits design space for every class and at times makes the state of the game feel stale. This, of course, would have to go down with some changes to the amount of cards in each expansion. Basic cards should be kept I guess to secure som sort of identity to the classes (other than HP).
I just had a pretty reasonable HoF idea: Acolyte of Pain!
Suddenly came to my mind as it has been THE card draw choice for so many decks for far too long I guess. Would make sense to HoF it to regain some design space for draw effects, right?
I would be very surprising if Inner Fire stays in the core set. Blizzard has to be very careful with their high-health minions because of this. It limits design space a lot, more than any other card still in the core set.
I just had a pretty reasonable HoF idea: Acolyte of Pain!
Suddenly came to my mind as it has been THE card draw choice for so many decks for far too long I guess. Would make sense to HoF it to regain some design space for draw effects, right?
This would be another blow for CW, considering the amount of 2+ card combos and Warrior will most likely get no other card draw, because of Battle Rage.
So no-one else think spellbreaker might be HoF? Not because its to strong but because it being over used and tend to be atleast usable in most games. Team 5 also seems to hate silence. It would also allow them to make more restricted silence effects that's more of an tech card or have restriction. for example silence an deathrattle, demon, silence if you have an dragon in your hand, control an pirate and the list go's on.
So no-one else think spellbreaker might be HoF? Not because its to strong but because it being over used and tend to be atleast usable in most games. Team 5 also seems to hate silence. It would also allow them to make more restricted silence effects that's more of an tech card or have restriction. for example silence an deathrattle, demon, silence if you have an dragon in your hand, control an pirate and the list go's on.
I really don't think it will be HoFed. When people say a card is being over used it isn't always due to the card being too good, and this is where I think too many players jump the gun when deciding whether a card should be rotated out or not. Imo most of the reason why Spellbreaker started becoming a popular card was because of how oppressive warlock was against many other non-hyper aggressive match-ups (mainly used to target Voidlord, Cube, and Lackey. We didn't see Spellbreaker nearly as much before K&C when Razakus Priest was the top dog.
So in other words, I think Spellbreaker was strong only because the cards it was trying to counter were even stronger than Spellbreaker.
And was wrong about everything except ice block which I was sure of. we still have.. NEXT year though.
I looked at the responses of the thread and I saw only 1 mention to unnerfed AOL(sadly it didn't happen as well..) and molten giant and one mention to oracle(though he was just salty about mill rogue), both on page 4 for reference.
Poor mage has 2 fewer classic cards than any other class.. I hope they compensate mage with 2 additional cards next expansion (+1 to rogue +1 to warlock too)
In 3 years or so another 5 or six cards from your list will be gone to the HoF. They just don't want to put 5 or 6 cards at once into the HoF. Especially now they already hit 2 epics.
Well I tried to hit candidates more than an exact list, wanted to give some ideas and directions on most of them and why they would be problematic definitely didn't see the oracle rotation at all. only one person mentioned it here out of 80ish who commented here.
Shadowstep is not only used with quest rogue
Vilespine Slayer
Fal'dorei Strider
SI:7 Agent
Swashburglar rotates
Prince Keleseth
Coldlight Oracle
Leeroy Jenkins
Bonemare probably not anymore
Spiteful Summoner possibly in the future
Dirty Rat
it will limit design space too much
Dirty Rat rotates as well, and IMO they won't HOF cards from 2017 expansions
I think they will completely remake charge as it’s just too problematic.
I didn't accuse you of wanting them to be rotated, I just said your list was terrible.
Look at this thing and let me know what you think!
only Ice Block
I really hope Gadgetzan Auctioneer gets HOF'ed because of how it's severely limiting design space.
I don't really see Ice Block beeing that problematic, but it looks like they aim to do something about it I guess.
Divine Favor might just be too good and it would be interesting if they let doomguard go as well.
What I would actually really like to see (but which is probably never going to happen) is the hole Classic set getting the HOF treatment. The classic set limits design space for every class and at times makes the state of the game feel stale. This, of course, would have to go down with some changes to the amount of cards in each expansion. Basic cards should be kept I guess to secure som sort of identity to the classes (other than HP).
Ice Block, Tirion Fordring, Inner Fire, Gadgetzan Auctioneer are my picks.
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I just had a pretty reasonable HoF idea: Acolyte of Pain!
Suddenly came to my mind as it has been THE card draw choice for so many decks for far too long I guess.
Would make sense to HoF it to regain some design space for draw effects, right?
I would be very surprising if Inner Fire stays in the core set. Blizzard has to be very careful with their high-health minions because of this. It limits design space a lot, more than any other card still in the core set.
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So no-one else think spellbreaker might be HoF? Not because its to strong but because it being over used and tend to be atleast usable in most games. Team 5 also seems to hate silence. It would also allow them to make more restricted silence effects that's more of an tech card or have restriction. for example silence an deathrattle, demon, silence if you have an dragon in your hand, control an pirate and the list go's on.
And was wrong about everything except ice block which I was sure of. we still have.. NEXT year though.
I looked at the responses of the thread and I saw only 1 mention to unnerfed AOL(sadly it didn't happen as well..) and molten giant and one mention to oracle(though he was just salty about mill rogue), both on page 4 for reference.
Poor mage has 2 fewer classic cards than any other class.. I hope they compensate mage with 2 additional cards next expansion (+1 to rogue +1 to warlock too)