All I hear on this site is complaints. And I agree, pirate warrior can get a lucky start and run you over no matter what you do. But that's what an aggro deck is, and they are essential to a healthy meta. For a meta to be fun and varied, there need to be top-tier Aggro, Midrange, Control, and Combo decks. And right now, we have all that!
According to Tempostorm, the top five meta decks right now are: Aggro Shaman, Renolock, Miracle Rogue, Pirate Warrior, and Midrange Shaman. In my opinion, Miracle Druid and Dragon Priest are also strong. Using just these 7 strong decks, we can see that the meta is in a good state.
Aggro: Aggro Shaman, Pirate Warrior.
Midrange: Hand Buff Paladin, Midrange Shaman.
Control: Renolock.
Combo: Miracle Rogue, Miracle Druid.
I enjoy many of my matches on the ladder, and even if the Pirate Warrior matchup seems unwinnable sometimes, other times they run out of steam (this is when I'm playing Miracle Druid and Jade Shaman). I maintain back-and-forth matches with other midrange and combo decks, while sometimes losing to control.
The evidence I just provided refutes the claim that the meta is "aggro-dominated" or "lacks diversity." Post counterarguments in the thread. Stay polite please!
I wouldn't call midrange paladin anything close to midrange shaman. I've gotten to rank 7 with a WIP paladin deck, but it's nowhere near the power level or auto pilot of shaman. The most common version that relies on dopplegangsters is just too slow.
Overall, I think there is a good amount of diversity, though I can still reliably guess when my opponent is purely on his class. Hopefully add the meta styles we'll see more than 1 archetype per class
I also like this meta as a Priest player. While I dislike the games against Pirate Warrior the games are rather short lived and not as frequent as previously seen (at least around rank 8). I play dragon priest (reno or combo with velen) and enjoy the value games against warlock etc.
To be honest I can't remember the last time I've played so much HS. To me MSoG is a succes. :- )
I also like this meta as a Priest player. While I dislike the games against Pirate Warrior the games are rather short lived and not as frequent as previously seen (at least around rank 8). I play dragon priest (reno or combo with velen) and enjoy the value games against warlock etc.
To be honest I can't remember the last time I've played so much HS. To me MSoG is a succes. :- )
While I'm not here to complain about the meta, it should be said that your post does nothing to disprove the chatter that's going on with the current state of Hearthstone. Quoting a website's top 5 deck list and giving your own definition of a healthy meta don't provide evidence to make a convincing argument. People have their own ideas about what makes the game healthy, and nothing that Tempostorm says is going to change the experience people have in game.
On the other hand, I'm happy to see more good vibes on this website. I agree that there are too many complaints about the game, and I think a lot of people would benefit from taking the game less seriously.
Paladin and Hunter are basically non existent and that's because of their bad basic and classic set of cards . Blizzard should really consider buffing some unplayable classic cards to increase diversity
To be Honest this is no fun anymore. From Rank 8 and up there are 80% Pirate Aggro Warriors and the rest are variants of Aggro Shamans.. I climbed up there with my beloved Tyrande but now there is Aggro in every Match up.. no chance of climbing more. Maybe i should try the Taunt Warrior just for Sakes will
It feels that in the first days of the expansions, when jade druids and pirate warriors where so dominant - the meta wasn't healthy. (just compare it to the first week of wotg).
Now we know that piratewarrior is easily countered by taunt and heal, and jade druid is just not as powerful as it seems. So the meta shifts and as you said - it feels quite healthy.
While I'm not here to complain about the meta, it should be said that your post does nothing to disprove the chatter that's going on with the current state of Hearthstone. Quoting a website's top 5 deck list and giving your own definition of a healthy meta don't provide evidence to make a convincing argument. People have their own ideas about what makes the game healthy, and nothing that Tempostorm says is going to change the experience people have in game.
On the other hand, I'm happy to see more good vibes on this website. I agree that there are too many complaints about the game, and I think a lot of people would benefit from taking the game less seriously.
It depends on how you read it.
From a subjective perspective in terms of what 'I' enjoy playing and facing against...? Sure, that could be true. But that doesn't provide any kind of tell if it is healthy or beneficial for the game itself. That's more of an objective point of view and that I do believe one can make very solid arguments for that Hearthstone is in a very healthy stage of its lifespan right now. So...
Once again, it depends on how you read it but... overall, yah' folks complain about things perhaps not too much since its good to voice one's opinion but its not good to voice it in such a way where you completely disregard this objective standpoint in favour of total subjective world views and trying to paint the world ackordingly to that. Which isi where I think a lot of the real issues are at hand because a lot of people complain about what is popular from each class without really understand why, how or what one could do to more approriately raise those concerns.
But overall I would say that this thread is far more objective than most other threads so ... I am gonna go on a whim and say that he's still probably correct even if one were to look at it from his own subjective perspective.
I agree with you, but to claim that this post "refuted" anything (which he stated as his closing thoughts in the original post) is completely incorrect. Maybe it was just a poor choice of words, and not what he meant to say.
To be Honest this is no fun anymore. From Rank 8 and up there are 80% Pirate Aggro Warriors and the rest are variants of Aggro Shamans.. I climbed up there with my beloved Tyrande but now there is Aggro in every Match up.. no chance of climbing more. Maybe i should try the Taunt Warrior just for Sakes will
I thought Dragon Priest had a decent match up against Pirate Warrior. If you are facing 80% Pirate Warrior then you should be able to easily rank up past rank 8.
Handbuffadin isnt a thing. Ive tried every variation of a deck and sometimes youre able to climb but then youre again dropping down and its getting you nowhere. So my guessing for midrange decks are rather Dragon Priest and mid shaman either standard midrnage or golem version.
All I hear on this site is complaints. And I agree, pirate warrior can get a lucky start and run you over no matter what you do. But that's what an aggro deck is, and they are essential to a healthy meta. For a meta to be fun and varied, there need to be top-tier Aggro, Midrange, Control, and Combo decks. And right now, we have all that!
According to Tempostorm, the top five meta decks right now are: Aggro Shaman, Renolock, Miracle Rogue, Pirate Warrior, and Midrange Shaman. In my opinion, Miracle Druid and Dragon Priest are also strong. Using just these 7 strong decks, we can see that the meta is in a good state.
Aggro: Aggro Shaman, Pirate Warrior.
Midrange: Hand Buff Paladin, Midrange Shaman.
Control: Renolock.
Combo: Miracle Rogue, Miracle Druid.
I enjoy many of my matches on the ladder, and even if the Pirate Warrior matchup seems unwinnable sometimes, other times they run out of steam (this is when I'm playing Miracle Druid and Jade Shaman). I maintain back-and-forth matches with other midrange and combo decks, while sometimes losing to control.
The evidence I just provided refutes the claim that the meta is "aggro-dominated" or "lacks diversity." Post counterarguments in the thread. Stay polite please!
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I wouldn't call midrange paladin anything close to midrange shaman. I've gotten to rank 7 with a WIP paladin deck, but it's nowhere near the power level or auto pilot of shaman. The most common version that relies on dopplegangsters is just too slow.
Overall, I think there is a good amount of diversity, though I can still reliably guess when my opponent is purely on his class. Hopefully add the meta styles we'll see more than 1 archetype per class
I also like this meta as a Priest player. While I dislike the games against Pirate Warrior the games are rather short lived and not as frequent as previously seen (at least around rank 8). I play dragon priest (reno or combo with velen) and enjoy the value games against warlock etc.
To be honest I can't remember the last time I've played so much HS. To me MSoG is a succes. :- )
meta is so healthy. I face a different class almost every game.
While I'm not here to complain about the meta, it should be said that your post does nothing to disprove the chatter that's going on with the current state of Hearthstone. Quoting a website's top 5 deck list and giving your own definition of a healthy meta don't provide evidence to make a convincing argument. People have their own ideas about what makes the game healthy, and nothing that Tempostorm says is going to change the experience people have in game.
On the other hand, I'm happy to see more good vibes on this website. I agree that there are too many complaints about the game, and I think a lot of people would benefit from taking the game less seriously.
I agree . The META is healthy.
But classes are still far from balanced .
Paladin and Hunter are basically non existent and that's because of their bad basic and classic set of cards . Blizzard should really consider buffing some unplayable classic cards to increase diversity
The meta is now 60% patches decks and roughly 20% reno decks. (source VS)
So I guess the meta can be considered healthy as long as you play either of these variants.
In the next week or two, druid and possibly also priest will be as non-existent as paladin and hunter.
the meta is okayish and i like to play the current tierdecks, but i dont actually think the mta is healthy.
A healthy meta at this point of standard (2 years of sets available) would be
-every class viable
-every class at least 2 different deckstyles viable
-different styles for aggro, combo, controldecks.
Instead we have:
Shaman - aggro with or without ("midrange") pirates combo/control beyond playable
Rogue - combo miracle (aggro Jade rogue being somewhat viable as well), no control
Mage - combo Freeze Mage (unreliable), control Renomage (unreliable), aggro Tempomage (too slow lol)
Warlock - aggro Zoolock (too slow), control Renolock (to a certain extent Handlock) no combo
Druid - combo Aviana (fundeck), control Jade (too slow), aggro Tokendruid (non existant)
Warrior - aggro Pirates, control CW (dies to every other control), combo non existent
Priest - aggro Dragons, control Reno (borderline ok), no combo
Hunter and Paladin - extinct outside of deck testings
To be Honest this is no fun anymore. From Rank 8 and up there are 80% Pirate Aggro Warriors and the rest are variants of Aggro Shamans.. I climbed up there with my beloved Tyrande but now there is Aggro in every Match up.. no chance of climbing more. Maybe i should try the Taunt Warrior just for Sakes will
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It feels that in the first days of the expansions, when jade druids and pirate warriors where so dominant - the meta wasn't healthy. (just compare it to the first week of wotg).
Now we know that piratewarrior is easily countered by taunt and heal, and jade druid is just not as powerful as it seems. So the meta shifts and as you said - it feels quite healthy.
Well i think that in the upcomming expansion we will see the perfect balancing. Blizzard just made priest great again so i have hope.
Handbuffadin isnt a thing. Ive tried every variation of a deck and sometimes youre able to climb but then youre again dropping down and its getting you nowhere. So my guessing for midrange decks are rather Dragon Priest and mid shaman either standard midrnage or golem version.