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Why do U use such a crappy Tool ???

Just draft Ur own Decks  so U can Play "Ur" synergysin cards that U want to Play to perfom better with "Ur" Decks

 

 

 

Why do people Always Need help for such things?

 

 What even. This is one of the most spectacularly unhelpful comments i’ve ever laid eyes on.

 This was a real helpful comment

 

If He would draft on His own

He would get much better by time and also PlayS better 

 

NN to Just Pick the highest number shown in Screen...

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Many many threads about this topic around already, i feel like we keep copy+pasta the same thing ...

HS is all about the board control in KFT, since most commonly drafted OP neutrals all have HUGE impact on game when u have the board, draft for a decent early game, rather than late game value, or u will never get to play those value cards anyway, since u will be already dead.

Stop throwing around deck scores, if u want to talk about how good or bad deck is for current meta, post a deck list.

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Why do U use such a crappy Tool ???

Just draft Ur own Decks  so U can Play "Ur" synergysin cards that U want to Play to perfom better with "Ur" Decks

 

 

 

Why do people Always Need help for such things?

 

I honestly relate to this a lot. It’s really unclear what I should be doing. Help us?

Side note: despite everyone’s hate for Olly and Alliser thorne, I don’t get it. Yes, they’re antagonists, but they’re well-motivated and compelling.

5. Lysa Arryn (just... ew)

4. Joffrey (cuz obviously)

3. Bran (what is this season 7 acting??)

2. Ellaria Sand (show only)

1. Janos Slynt (Seriously. FUCK THIS GUY.)

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I absolutely hate the current state of  the game: in standard play a netdeck--Pirate warrior, Dragon Priest, Midrange Shaman, Jade Druid, Renno Mage--or get roflstomped. Pirate synergies are especially broken and pirate decks are infesting casual and wild. The game may as well come with 5-6 prebuilt meta decks because that is what 90% of people seem happy to play. The games themselves seem much more heavily dependent on what exactly is drawn and whether key cards like Renno or your AoE pop up in good time - the actual decisions that need to be made are minor. Been playing a long time and I hate the amount of time Blizzard let the copy-paste decks just screaming for a nerf run -- obviously so they can sell more card packs. So sad that people spend money to buy this shit, the nerfs are comming better ride your pirate wanker to rank 5 while you can... hate this meta.

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While arguing the meta is healthy, you imply that Brode and consort are doing a good job. Well in the profitable game depatrment you are probably right. Ingame requierments is another story. There rules the imbalance in numerous ways. Still between aggro and control, between spell and minion based gaming, the overrepresentation of burst/spell damage. If you are hooked to the game every wrong seem right.

The meta is not healthy , it is less unhealthy. Why? The game slowed al little bit down. The very fact in large part due to Reno and the Jade-bussiness. That is a good thing. It makes the game seem fresh, but still unhealthy.

The meta will become truly healthy and balanced  with only on requirement: Every class should have their Tier 1 deck. Do you think that the unviability of Hunter and Paladin archetypes in this meta is healthy? Last season Paladin and Priest were nowhere to be found in competitive. It is the result of sloppy carddesign resulting in repulsively fast or OP-archetypes like zoolock, midrange shaman and the like. And every rotation this is happening.

Do you think that is healthy? Think before you write. Thank you.

 

 

 Do you think the olympics should hand out 10 gold medals for each event as well? For something to be better than something, other things have to lose. This isn't a team game, it's 1v1 with matchups.

I think it's a reasonable expectation to have all classes be in The Tier 1-3 range. It is nonsense to ask for all classes to be in tier 1. I actually don't know why i have to explain this.

To the actual discussion, the meta is pretty healthy, but it still needs improvement. People on this website aren't complaining about a healthy vs unhealthy meta, they're complaining about getting destroyed by aggro decks, and they have been doing that since the beginning of the game, even though we have an insane control/combo deck right now that can hold it's own against almost any deck.

People complaining about a ton of aggro decks on ladder are just being stupid honestly. I would welcome a ladder full of aggro as it's one of the easiest types of decks to counter. When midrange shaman had a winning matchup versus almost the entire meta that was unhealthy, since it was difficult to counter effectively.

We have a set of top tier decks that have interesting matchups versus each other, and watching HS in competition is much more fun now because all the top decks have really crazy things they can do. Ladder is ladder, people play what they want. You're in a great spot to counter anything the game throws at you right now.

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This game will never be healthy as long curve stone exists 24/7. Paches would be balanced if you not created small-time bucaneer. To bad Blizzard had to make it OP as fuck.

 I agree. I think it would be a much better game if OP 1 and 2 drops didn't exist. Of course they can't take those out now because decks like the paladin pump deck would be way too powerful then. 

 

 Okay, Jaegermeister. Curving out, or playing cards when they should be played is not a bad thing! It may be "braindead" in your opinion that people play cards each turn without much "thought." I agree Pirate Warrior is the Number 1 deck in the meta, but that doesn't make it broken! In Magic The Gathering, decks like Abzan Midrange have run the meta as the Number 1 deck. But the Magic Community understands that there must always be a "Best deck", there's no way around that. 

Could you provide an alternative to the "Curvestone" you hate? Would you prefer control vs. control matchups that are just attrition?

Magic the gathering doesn't compare at all, their mana system is far different. The reason curve is the such a strong meta in hearthstone is because of the highly efficient early drops and the constant mana curve. And it's not a problem that the decks are good, the problem is there aren't complex powerful decks that high skill players could play and be rewarded for.

Grim patron in it's old heyday was a good example of a deck that rewards good play. renolock may be a good example of that. midrange shaman though very forgiving because of it's powerlevel is actually a good example of a deck that somewhat rewards skillful players (because it does in fact have a lot of control tools and decisions to make, it's just not obvious because the win rate is good even for a non-skillful player, It's just better for a skillful player).

In summary the midrangy/controlly version of shaman wasn't necessarily a problem, the problem is that there aren't more decks like it. 

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This game will never be healthy as long curve stone exists 24/7. Paches would be balanced if you not created small-time bucaneer. To bad Blizzard had to make it OP as fuck.

 I agree. I think it would be a much better game if OP 1 and 2 drops didn't exist. Of course they can't take those out now because decks like the paladin pump deck would be way too powerful then. 

 

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meta is healthier then ever, can't wait for 2017 rotation so reno goes out and there would be nothing but an aggro, then it would be even more healthy...kappa

 Think the main thing a lot of people miss is aggro is a part of a healthy meta.  Is it too strong right now?  Maybe, but I can say I have had a lot of success playing a midrange dragon warrior with some solidbtaunts and have been ranking from 10-6 pretty quickly.  I would prefer this rather than 10-15 minute control mirrors every match.  Reno or CW mirrors require more skill, but I just don't have that much time to be honest.  And aggro mirror matches do take skill as well which a lot of people disregard

Let's stay polite. I thought the Old Gods meta was balanced. But I agree, post-naxx face hunter broke the meta, as did Patron Warrior, and in beta Miracle Rogue. Other than that, top decks must exist, there's no way around that. All I'm judging on is whether a variety of other decks are viable as well in the meta; right now, I think we have that.

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I also like this meta as a Priest player. While I dislike the games against Pirate Warrior the games are rather short lived and not as frequent as previously seen (at least around rank 8). I play dragon priest (reno or combo with velen) and enjoy the value games against warlock etc. 

To be honest I can't remember the last time I've played so much HS. To me MSoG is a succes. :- )

 

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Combo: Miracle Rogue, Miracle Druid.

 What exactly is Miracle Druid?

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"Healthy"

All I hear on this site is complaints. And I agree, pirate warrior can get a lucky start and run you over no matter what you do. But that's what an aggro deck is, and they are essential to a healthy meta. For a meta to be fun and varied, there need to be top-tier Aggro, Midrange, Control, and Combo decks. And right now, we have all that!

According to Tempostorm, the top five meta decks right now are: Aggro Shaman, Renolock, Miracle Rogue, Pirate Warrior, and Midrange Shaman. In my opinion, Miracle Druid and Dragon Priest are also strong. Using just these 7 strong decks, we can see that the meta is in a good state.

Aggro: Aggro Shaman, Pirate Warrior.

Midrange: Hand Buff Paladin, Midrange Shaman.

Control: Renolock.

Combo: Miracle Rogue, Miracle Druid.

I enjoy many of my matches on the ladder, and even if the Pirate Warrior matchup seems unwinnable sometimes, other times they run out of steam (this is when I'm playing Miracle Druid and Jade Shaman). I maintain back-and-forth matches with other midrange and combo decks, while sometimes losing to control.

The evidence I just provided refutes the claim that the meta is "aggro-dominated" or "lacks diversity." Post counterarguments in the thread. Stay polite please!