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General problem of people posting here is the lack of conceptual thinking, no longterm evaluation, seeing only what is before them, writing things without ample consideration. It is the bases of developers leaving the game as it is. As long as peope are braindead happy, while thinking that they are very wise in what they write, who cares? The money keeps poring in after all....

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meta is so healthy. I face a different class almost every game.

Yes.  As a renolock i face.  Fell from 6 to 9 climbed to 6 fell again to 10 climbed to 7.. Wtf? 

110 matches

28 shamans

37 pirate warrior

9 priests

9 locks

... The rest

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Dude... just because those deck archetypes exist doesn't mean they are used... the meta is not healthy man rank 5 and below is just shaman and warrior... that is almost it.. same boat as last expac

This is my opponents the last seven days, based on 57 ranked matches (EU), between rank 7 to 5:

1. Shaman 25%
2. Warrior 19%
3. Warlock 18%
4. Priest 16%
5. Druid 11%
6. Mage 5%
7. Rogue 5%
8. Hunter 2%
9. Paladin 0%

So, it's below 50% to meet either a shaman or a warrior

 

Is it me or did the meta shift again, was playing earlier and climbed from 8 to 3 with Dragon Priest fairly fast when all I seemed to face were majority Jade Shaman & Miracle Rogue.

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Is it me or did the meta shift again, was playing earlier and climbed from 8 to 3 with Dragon Priest fairly fast when all I seemed to face were majority Jade Shaman & Miracle Rogue.

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the meta is okayish and i like to play the current tierdecks, but i dont actually think the mta is healthy.

A healthy meta at this point of standard (2 years of sets available) would be 

-every class viable

-every class at least 2 different deckstyles viable

-different styles for aggro, combo, controldecks.

Instead we have:

Shaman - aggro with or without ("midrange") pirates combo/control beyond playable

Rogue - combo miracle (aggro Jade rogue being somewhat viable as well), no control

Mage - combo Freeze Mage (unreliable), control Renomage (unreliable), aggro Tempomage (too slow lol)

Warlock - aggro Zoolock (too slow), control Renolock (to a certain extent Handlock) no combo

Druid - combo Aviana (fundeck), control Jade (too slow), aggro Tokendruid (non existant)

Warrior - aggro Pirates, control CW (dies to every other control), combo non existent

Priest - aggro Dragons, control Reno (borderline ok), no combo

Hunter and Paladin - extinct outside of deck testings

buff paladin is absoultely unplayable on higher ranks, because its way too inconsistent. but i must admit, that paladin indeed have a viable archetype with anyfin. its surpsingly strong against the meta

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Combo: Miracle Rogue, Miracle Druid.

 What exactly is Miracle Druid?

 It's a druid archetype that revolves around Gadgetzan Auctioneer and Jade Idol in the late game to generate insane value.

 So Jade Druid then.

 Miracle Druid is not Jade Druid.

It's the druid with Aviana / Kun Combo for OTK.

Looking at the tempo storm snapshot here: https://tempostorm.com/hearthstone/meta-snapshot/standard/2016-12-18 

It shows warrior has 3 different decks in tier 2 which is awesome! Every time i queue against a warrior i always expect pirate and that decides my mulligan. Then when its something else, like control, i would be holding dead healing cards for example and that's fine, no saltyness from me :) 

When one class has multiple deck archetypes, it freshens things up, and from all the stats I've seen its very clear that one archetype or particular deck counters another, so then that deck rises in popularity, then people make a deck to counter that one as so on as so forth. This meta is alot more fun than Karazhan when the only tier 1 deck was boring mid-ranged shaman. 

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its obvious at this point that the actual meta is broken; please everyone who faces a pirate deck, burn the rope every turn as protest until blizzard fix it. im doing it with good results because is not profitable for them waste so much time in one match, the people that plays that kind of decks are just addicts gamblers so no mercy!

Imo, they should revert Yogg Saron back to its original state and the meta wouldn't change one bit, this way alot more ppl would try and either win with yogg or just pirate decks.

On the serious note Small time buccaneer should be nerfed from getting +2 attack to +1, that would be more balanced. Not that this would change much but it would have a small impact, less turn 4-5 lethals.

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Dude... just because those deck archetypes exist doesn't mean they are used... the meta is not healthy man rank 5 and below is just shaman and warrior... that is almost it.. same boat as last expac

This is my opponents the last seven days, based on 57 ranked matches (EU), between rank 7 to 5:

1. Shaman 25%
2. Warrior 19%
3. Warlock 18%
4. Priest 16%
5. Druid 11%
6. Mage 5%
7. Rogue 5%
8. Hunter 2%
9. Paladin 0%

So, it's below 50% to meet either a shaman or a warrior

Can a mod ban me for another 3 weeks? I don't want to deal with the shit above there.

U may call healthy but to me it's the most miserable meta to play in to date.

From someone who has designed games, yes balance is extremely difficult; Hearthstone can't prioritize rapid rotations to suck dollars out of wallets and prioritize refining and increasing balance at the same time. Brode does well given that dollars rule every part of the game, now. However, if Blizzard wants HS to survive, they would do well to create a section of the game where a more finely balanced game without so many roll-the-dice decks can slowly be refined and then preserved. Otherwise, I think their greed will eventually doom HS. Maybe not eventually. I'm certainly looking at faeria and rschronicle, and I've invested enough in the game that I really shouldn't be tempted by them.

I believe the biggest issue with Hearthstone is mainly that there's simply not enough testing done with interaction of cards.
Outside of broken comboes, a 1 mana 3/2 in isolation might not seem to bad, but when you add in Patches the Pirate and all the other face cards involved in PIrates...well it gets out of hand.

Obviously they didn't have so much foresight into Emperor Thaurissan+ Faceless Manipulator + Power Overwhelming + Leeroy combo can be broken, as in isolation you may not ever live long enough to lock to use that, but when you add powerful cards that help with survivability the broken combo becomes consistent and very possible. (Though I think it should've been obvious that Emperor Thaurissan is a problem card that screams broken combo enabler).

Realistically speaking Blizzard needs a core pool of some of the best Deckbuilders to test their decks for them. MTG has a bunch of the best pros or ex-pros testing their sets before release and these are guys who know how to find broken interactions or build decks that lead to broken interactions...whereas I'm not so sure Blizzard's card testers are up to par with their card designers.

Blizzard needs to hire a few top level pro and ladder players to do card balancing, cause their department have very little or no clue how to balance new cards. I don't know how they couldn't forseen the pirate meta, its not like pirate warrior were non existent and giving pirates to the most aggressive deck of the year is gg plus some more burn for reach incase of taunt.

This is like when your doctor giving you the wrong medicine the first time you got sick, then he does it again on your next visit just to make sure you die horribly.

Healthy meta= no midrange decks and having to play finding reno decks or skilled aggro decks. Okay.