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I've been encountering far fewer aggro decks the last couple of days, and more Reno/Control decks, I suppose as a response to all the earlier aggro decks.  Interesting.  I hope this trend continues. 

Healthy?

When 90% of cards are rendered worthless, that is not healthy.

When 90% of strategies are rendered worthless, that is not healthy.

When a game with thousands of options becomes "paper, rock, scissors", that is the 'epitome of stupid'. For those enchanted by those 3 options, go lobby for a Paper, Rock, scissors game. All they would have to do is throw in flashy pictures and some bells and whistles and you'll be content. But for a game like this to do that, it's economic suicide.

Should they nerf the Jade Druid or Warrior Pirate? No, nerfing is never the answer. They should add ways to combat those that aren't relegated to having only a pitiful selection to choose from. Magic Duels is in the same exact boat, Vehicles, Planeswalkers, mindless aggro.

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@Falbrogna; Mech Shaman winning by turn 3 was about as common as Pirate Warrior/Shaman winning by turn 4. So it's more to point out exactly that extreme examples don't really mean much.

Funny that I don't remember that happening then, considering I've been playing since the beta. And the fact that you lump up together Pirate Warrior/Shaman in terms of winning by turn 4 kinda feels bizarre to me considering the subject. You do know that one has a massively bigger burst potential than the other? And if you do, why are you treating them as if they're the same?

By your own argument they added Fatigue immunity to the game, and they haven't actually removed anything; you can still play Fatigue, it's just not as reliable as it used to be with old Control Warrior builds. Change is healthy for games, this is an example of change.

Aah, the good old "change is always good and can't possibly be a bad change" fallacy.

I gotta have to say that since I played less and less the last couple of months, I am matchmaked against let's call them special decks. I played against c'thun priest, c'thun warlock, a bunch of pirate warriors, resurrect priest, even a renolock with rafaam, felfire potion and a control warrior etc. I was quiet surprized that this game makes more fun if you play less lol. I'm happier now than I was when I played this game a lot more

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Every meta is always focused on what deck is the top dog.

Previously was Midrange Shaman + a couple of decks that did well against it, everything else dead.

Now is Reno decks + a couple of decks that did well against them, everything else dead.

Is this healthy? Yes, but next expansion needs to change things drastically, otherwise will be very bad.

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Every meta is always focused on what deck is the top dog.

Previously was Midrange Shaman + a couple of decks that did well against it, everything else dead.

Now is Reno decks + a couple of decks that did well against them, everything else dead.

Is this healthy? Yes, but next expansion needs to change things drastically, otherwise will be very bad.

 You think Reno decks are stronger than Pirate decks?

 Yes, they force the metagame in a specific direction more than anything else. With Reno in the metagame, aggro is forced to kill before turn 6, which pushes all-in strategies like Pirate Warrior. If true reactive control was still alive (it is not, because of Reno), then probably a tempo/midrange approach would be more appropriate.

Meta can be considered healthy when game requires thinking to win, and there is a possibility of creating original decks, which is both false now. Now there are only two types of decks in the ladder - pirates and decks that consist of all possible healing cards of the class altogether, including reno, otherwise pirates kill you turn 3-4. No creativity is encouraged. If you create your own funny deck with interesting combos that is not full of healing cards - you loose to pirates turn 3-4.  If you don't hit face yourself or you don't heal your face every turn - you lose. How is this healthy?>

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Meta can be considered healthy when game requires thinking to win, and there is a possibility of creating original decks, which is both false now. Now there are only two types of decks in the ladder - pirates and decks that consist of all possible healing cards of the class altogether, including reno, otherwise pirates kill you turn 3-4. No creativity is encouraged. If you create your own funny deck with interesting combos that is not full of healing cards - you loose to pirates turn 3-4.  If you don't hit face yourself or you don't heal your face every turn - you lose. How is this healthy?>

and my point is, a pretty high percentage of player play hearthstone for fun, not to gain fortune on tournaments. My rank is around 9-12. And there is no fun when face decks are everywhere and a lot of classes are forgotten. Turn 3 is impossible, you are right, but I died turn four three times today, and I think that is not acceptable. I also think that it's not normal that I have to focus on defending myself from aggro alone while building my deck, because I still go up the ladder if I win 0% games against control, but win 75% against aggro now.

Once Reno rotates out it will be more varied, because true "heavy" midrange decks will be back. But even now so many archetypes are valid: aggro, control, combo, midrange . Which is a good thing. What's not good is that two classes are almost unplayable right now.

True! Meta right now is like HandBuff Paladin, Reno Warrior, Pirate Shaman. Happy my Dragons are handling the situation well

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and my point is, a pretty high percentage of player play hearthstone for fun, not to gain fortune on tournaments. My rank is around 9-12. And there is no fun when face decks are everywhere and a lot of classes are forgotten. Turn 3 is impossible, you are right, but I died turn four three times today, and I think that is not acceptable. I also think that it's not normal that I have to focus on defending myself from aggro alone while building my deck, because I still go up the ladder if I win 0% games against control, but win 75% against aggro now.

This meta is as healthy as a medieval infant infected by the black death.

Shaman, shaman, shaman. Because Blizzard doesn't know how to balance a game.

Extreme aggro and control deck should be nerved to oblivion because it's really unhealthy to have extremely high power level, and now some classes such as Hunter stays dead because nobody plays midrange anymore. The game is just bad as GvG except theres more haters into this game because some classes get huge help and other classes become trash as old rouge does. Atleast the card designs are pretty nice, but I still want Jade Idol and pirates nerfed or reworked.