As any other hearthstone player, sometimes I see suboptimal plays from my opponent. Sometimes it's somethisg obvious to both me and my opponent, like playing Fungalmancer on the rightmost spot, or playing Soulfire before Leeroy Jenkins, but sometimes it's not that easy to notice. I want to talk about 2nd case.
For example, today I played against midrange shaman. He played Thrall, Deathseer on turn 5 and got Howlfiend, which was pretty bad luck, and I managed to discard couple of spells and Corridor Creeper. Later in the game he had Cruel Dinomancer on board and had an opportunity to trade it into my minion and summon his creeper back, but instead he decided to evolve it by hero power. In the same game he got a Radiant Elemental out of Earthen Might and just dropped it on board, regardless of 2nd Unstable Evolution he certainly had in his deck.
Another example: I played mecha'thun priest against togwaggle druid, and he got my last 5 cards by azalina, but had no idea how to run this combo and let me draw his whole deck and run this combo by myself.
Another example: I played control shaman against kingsbane rogue, and he died to fatigue because he had no idea how to escape fatigue by mirror reflection into Kingsbane.
After all of those matches I wanted to add my opponent and tell them their mistakes, so they won't make them again. But then I thought this could make them even more angry for their loss. So I want to ask other players how they would react on non-offencive pointing out of hardly noticeble misplays of them.
As long as my opponent is pointing out my misplays in a polite manner and not being a smug asshole about it, then yeah, I'm okay with this. Always happy to learn from my mistakes.
Most people who do that are straight up rude about it. It's that space between a guy telling you to die, and a guy telling you you got lucky and you didn't deserve to win. I had some guy rant on about how I got lucky because I shouldn't include this in my deck, only an idiot would do this, etc. Of course they never give you a chance to point out their missplays. I've had two people offer constructive criticism since I started (KOFT).
Voted for the first one as I am happy to have constructive discussions. However, some douches tell you the misplay and then call you bad at the game so I think that remark should be in the poll. I'm cool as long as he's not pointing the misplay in an arrogant manner.
Voted for the first one as I am happy to have constructive discussions. However, some douches tell you the misplay and then call you bad at the game so I think that remark should be in the poll. I'm cool as long as he's not pointing the misplay in an arrogant manner.
I'm directly said "non-offencive" at the end of my post. Poll and post title are both quite limited in size so I can't really specify it here.
If suggestions are given in a kind tone, i'd gladly accept them.
However, i think it is hard to reach that kindness of tone, while being complete strangers, without sounding patronizing in a way, or even just partly.
Like, chances are, one takes those suggestions, and profit, but a voice in their mind keeps telling them 'but wtf are you to come and tell me how to play?!?'.
The difference between teaching sought for, and teaching falling down on you...
I don't see why someone would add me to point out "my" misplays since everyone misplays, even top legend players. This question is useless. Imagine someone playing at rank rank 15 adding someone to do that. The guy would be "wtf dude we are rank 15, you think you play better than me or what ?". And it would be the same at rank 5 or legend the guy would be "dude i'm legend i don't think i make more misplays than you, get out". Anyway it's a nonsense, everyone misplays without exception and when it happens it can be cuz you're tired or tilted and all things like that. I don't see why someone would come to piss me off because i made one or two mistakes in the game. The only possible situation is for example a legend player i have in my friend list spectating me while i'm rank 15 or 10. In this case yep it's acceptable and i would be ok.
To be honest I don't accept a lot of friend request, only when something funny went in the game and I thing my opponent will be a funny guy. If i don't feel that it will be a "good talk" I delete the friend request. So if you friend request me after I made a misplay I would probably ignore you :c
Any friend request that isn't "fuck you" is good enough for me, I actually like discussing(who would've known) this game so I am good if someone helps me improve
This post is actually a joke - don't get me wrong, I don't wanna look like a toxic guy, but: Hearthstone community is pretty irritable and toxic by itself, and you don't wanna hear something, like an advice from your recent opponent that played turn 1 3-2 Imp + coin healer 2 happy ghouls. This game is actually too rng-based to talking about skill cup or "player's skill" either. Besides I had (and I'm pretty sure I am not the only one) a several cases when I have played like a 40 min game Control vs Control and after game my opponents wanted to add me just to say something like "Wow, dude, you're so bad. Pure luck you won that game" or call me a retard etc., so YEAH I don't really understand those people who wants to hear an advice from recent opponents.
As long as it's constructive criticism it's all good. But you always need to keep in mind that there are loads of people just playing casually/for fun rather than thinking every single play through to the end so...most might not really care what you tell them. Depends on how "serious" you play this game. And of course at what rank.
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As any other hearthstone player, sometimes I see suboptimal plays from my opponent. Sometimes it's somethisg obvious to both me and my opponent, like playing Fungalmancer on the rightmost spot, or playing Soulfire before Leeroy Jenkins, but sometimes it's not that easy to notice. I want to talk about 2nd case.
For example, today I played against midrange shaman. He played Thrall, Deathseer on turn 5 and got Howlfiend, which was pretty bad luck, and I managed to discard couple of spells and Corridor Creeper. Later in the game he had Cruel Dinomancer on board and had an opportunity to trade it into my minion and summon his creeper back, but instead he decided to evolve it by hero power. In the same game he got a Radiant Elemental out of Earthen Might and just dropped it on board, regardless of 2nd Unstable Evolution he certainly had in his deck.
Another example: I played mecha'thun priest against togwaggle druid, and he got my last 5 cards by azalina, but had no idea how to run this combo and let me draw his whole deck and run this combo by myself.
Another example: I played control shaman against kingsbane rogue, and he died to fatigue because he had no idea how to escape fatigue by mirror reflection into Kingsbane.
After all of those matches I wanted to add my opponent and tell them their mistakes, so they won't make them again. But then I thought this could make them even more angry for their loss. So I want to ask other players how they would react on non-offencive pointing out of hardly noticeble misplays of them.
I'd react positively, but only in case when player really wants to help you out but not to troll you even more.
I guess that such reaction depends on one's age, the younger player is, the more aggresively he would react on pointing out his mistakes.
No brain - no pain.
I would laugh as hard as I laughed at this drivel. hearthpwn is nothing but laughs.
I always add players to say gg or point out some good plays or bad ones, but they dont accept because they think i will be toxic.
Always look on the bright side of life.
Anger is the punishment we give ourselves for someone else's mistake.
By the number of posts you make id say you are toxic as a devil if not more.
As long as my opponent is pointing out my misplays in a polite manner and not being a smug asshole about it, then yeah, I'm okay with this. Always happy to learn from my mistakes.
Considering his intentions are good, I'd be thankful. Now, if he wants to point out my mistakes to mock me, I'd probably call him asshole and delete.
Most people who do that are straight up rude about it. It's that space between a guy telling you to die, and a guy telling you you got lucky and you didn't deserve to win. I had some guy rant on about how I got lucky because I shouldn't include this in my deck, only an idiot would do this, etc. Of course they never give you a chance to point out their missplays. I've had two people offer constructive criticism since I started (KOFT).
Voted for the first one as I am happy to have constructive discussions. However, some douches tell you the misplay and then call you bad at the game so I think that remark should be in the poll. I'm cool as long as he's not pointing the misplay in an arrogant manner.
I'm directly said "non-offencive" at the end of my post. Poll and post title are both quite limited in size so I can't really specify it here.
I would 100 % encourage you to try and teach former opponents like that. And I would personally love to learn new things; even from strangers.
If suggestions are given in a kind tone, i'd gladly accept them.
However, i think it is hard to reach that kindness of tone, while being complete strangers, without sounding patronizing in a way, or even just partly.
Like, chances are, one takes those suggestions, and profit, but a voice in their mind keeps telling them 'but wtf are you to come and tell me how to play?!?'.
The difference between teaching sought for, and teaching falling down on you...
I don't see why someone would add me to point out "my" misplays since everyone misplays, even top legend players. This question is useless. Imagine someone playing at rank rank 15 adding someone to do that. The guy would be "wtf dude we are rank 15, you think you play better than me or what ?". And it would be the same at rank 5 or legend the guy would be "dude i'm legend i don't think i make more misplays than you, get out". Anyway it's a nonsense, everyone misplays without exception and when it happens it can be cuz you're tired or tilted and all things like that. I don't see why someone would come to piss me off because i made one or two mistakes in the game. The only possible situation is for example a legend player i have in my friend list spectating me while i'm rank 15 or 10. In this case yep it's acceptable and i would be ok.
To be honest I don't accept a lot of friend request, only when something funny went in the game and I thing my opponent will be a funny guy. If i don't feel that it will be a "good talk" I delete the friend request. So if you friend request me after I made a misplay I would probably ignore you :c
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I would take it like a man: Cry and shit my pants.
Any friend request that isn't "fuck you" is good enough for me, I actually like discussing(who would've known) this game so I am good if someone helps me improve
This post is actually a joke - don't get me wrong, I don't wanna look like a toxic guy, but: Hearthstone community is pretty irritable and toxic by itself, and you don't wanna hear something, like an advice from your recent opponent that played turn 1 3-2 Imp + coin healer 2 happy ghouls. This game is actually too rng-based to talking about skill cup or "player's skill" either. Besides I had (and I'm pretty sure I am not the only one) a several cases when I have played like a 40 min game Control vs Control and after game my opponents wanted to add me just to say something like "Wow, dude, you're so bad. Pure luck you won that game" or call me a retard etc., so YEAH I don't really understand those people who wants to hear an advice from recent opponents.
People never add me :( Sad story
As long as it's constructive criticism it's all good. But you always need to keep in mind that there are loads of people just playing casually/for fun rather than thinking every single play through to the end so...most might not really care what you tell them. Depends on how "serious" you play this game. And of course at what rank.