Prince Valanar - Sees very little play, does anyone know a use for this card?
It saw some play in mill rogue back in the time (in competition with refreshment vendor).
Prince 4 was experimented in mill rogue for less than a week when people unanimously agreed that Saronite Chain Gang was simply better. When you have a legendary that is outclassed by a rare from the same set, you really have a problem.
Conditional cards must have a decent advantage to merit playing, and while Keleseth was amazing and Taldaram was useful as a lesser cost Faceless. Valanaar was just meh. Even if you gave him windfury and divine shield, making him a super Corpsetaker, he still wouldn't see play. Prince Valanaar is just bad, and will likely to never have a chance to be useful as more versatile cards like Zilliax are added. If there was ever a justification for tier 6, it would be this.
You guys can use Harbinger Celestia in this deck! :)
I got a golden one in a pack myself, and I will have to pull that off at least once before she is dusted. That (meme) deck might get a mention in the guide.
Thinking of crafting either Stargazer Luna or Houndmaster - I realize Houndmaster is a stronger card but enjoy both tempo mage and hunter decks. Also lack Kathrena and King Krush so that's a factor as well. Any recommendations?
Im only missing rhok'delar but cant bring my self to craft it at the moment, as im missing some good legendaries of classes i like more, for example Godfrey or Rin, Sylvanas and Ragnaros for wild etc...( i play both formats).
Im only missing rhok'delar but cant bring my self to craft it at the moment, as im missing some good legendaries of classes i like more, for example Godfrey or Rin, Sylvanas and Ragnaros for wild etc...( i play both formats).
so what do you guys suggest?
It is not nearly as strong now as a few weeks ago. It is still a fun and different hunter experience, just don't expect it to be a cookie cutter. I have some experience with the card itself, and it is slightly unreliable. Some spells are AWFUL while some are amazing. Rhok'delar was just demoted from tier 1 to 2.
I would just hang on to your dust for now, at least until you have tried spell hunter without the Weapon. You will get the feeling by playing Flare or another secret instead.
Thinking of crafting either Stargazer Luna or Houndmaster - I realize Houndmaster is a stronger card but enjoy both tempo mage and hunter decks. Also lack Kathrena and King Krush so that's a factor as well. Any recommendations?
Stargazer Luna is a pretty safe craft now, and was promoted from tier 3 to 2.
Dr. Boom, Mad Genius was just moved to tier 1. His winrates are good, and he has a lot of happy owners!
Zilliax might be the even safer craft, as he can be used in more decks, including odd warrior, but I don't think he will give you as much immidiate pleasure.
I actually think Stargazer Luna shoud be moved in T1 since she is in the deck that is the hardest counter of quest rogue and by the way a very good aggro deck (even though I can understand that aggro is struggling a lot cause of odd warrior). Luna is irreplaceable in tempo mage, since it gives a great boost, in the early turns before Aluneth, against decks that don't have ready removal on turn 3 and btw in same cases it forces the opponent to play suboptimally in order to remove her.
I actually think Stargazer Luna shoud be moved in T1 since she is in the deck that is the hardest counter of quest rogue and by the way a very good aggro deck (even though I can understand that aggro is struggling a lot cause of odd warrior). Luna is irreplaceable in tempo mage, since it gives a great boost, in the early turns before Aluneth, against decks that don't have ready removal on turn 3 and btw in same cases it forces the opponent to play suboptimally in order to remove her.
Countering a tier 2 deck is not enough to be considered for tier 1, and even less so for a class card.
Aggro/tempo mage is itself a tier 2 deck as well, having some tough matchups but doing slightly better than quest rogue.
I actually think Stargazer Luna shoud be moved in T1 since she is in the deck that is the hardest counter of quest rogue and by the way a very good aggro deck (even though I can understand that aggro is struggling a lot cause of odd warrior). Luna is irreplaceable in tempo mage, since it gives a great boost, in the early turns before Aluneth, against decks that don't have ready removal on turn 3 and btw in same cases it forces the opponent to play suboptimally in order to remove her.
Countering a tier 2 deck is not enough to be considered for tier 1, and even less so for a class card.
Aggro/tempo mage is itself a tier 2 deck as well, having some tough matchups but doing slightly better than quest rogue.
Well actually Tempo Mage is a better aggro deck than Odd Rogue/Paladin in certain circumstances since it has a lot of burn damage that can pass over taunts, with Aluneth or Luna acts as Keleseth when played the overall WR is insane. Actually if you want to go aggro and you find only druid Tempo Mage is the way to follow; aside from his worst odd warrior matchup in legend is a counter to quest rogue, that there is T1 since is a control crusher, plus it can play very well against druids. It actually counters a lot of T1 decks.
I actually think Stargazer Luna shoud be moved in T1 since she is in the deck that is the hardest counter of quest rogue and by the way a very good aggro deck (even though I can understand that aggro is struggling a lot cause of odd warrior). Luna is irreplaceable in tempo mage, since it gives a great boost, in the early turns before Aluneth, against decks that don't have ready removal on turn 3 and btw in same cases it forces the opponent to play suboptimally in order to remove her.
Countering a tier 2 deck is not enough to be considered for tier 1, and even less so for a class card.
Aggro/tempo mage is itself a tier 2 deck as well, having some tough matchups but doing slightly better than quest rogue.
Well actually Tempo Mage is a better aggro deck than Odd Rogue/Paladin in certain circumstances since it has a lot of burn damage that can pass over taunts, with Aluneth or Luna acts as Keleseth when played the overall WR is insane. Actually if you want to go aggro and you find only druid Tempo Mage is the way to follow; aside from his worst odd warrior matchup in legend is a counter to quest rogue, that there is T1 since is a control crusher, plus it can play very well against druids. It actually counters a lot of T1 decks.
I haven't seen any sources claiming tempo mage is tier 1 in a long time. As it struggles with ALL common odd decks and hunters, it will probably stay as a tier 2 counterdeck. Tempo mage was stronger as a Cubelock counter 6 months ago.
I haven't said it is a T1 deck, but actually it sees enough play in this meta to consider Luna more than safe craft that would stay along other T1 cards that does not belogs to T1 decks like Jaina DK and Thalnos or Master Oakheart; for sure BSM and Taunt D are no more than T2. This was my point.
I haven't said it is a T1 deck, but actually it sees enough play in this meta to consider Luna more than safe craft that would stay along other T1 cards that does not belogs to T1 decks like Jaina DK and Thalnos or Master Oakheart; for sure BSM and Taunt D are no more than T2. This was my point.
That is another issue. Those cards might be placed too high, it will be checked soon! Thalnos, however, is evergreen and sees a lot of play in very different decks. He is a very good, safe craft rather than a metagame powerouse.
Also, why didn't anyone complain that Luna was tier 3 until recently?
Well actually last time I checked in T1 Boomsday it was empty, so it was kinda fine. Everything was still up to be.
But now that I see Zilliax in T1 (it doesn't win game by itself, is kind of a nice addition for sure though) that actually is good only in Odd Warrior and Dr Boom (actually the very real T1 card of the expansion), I think that Luna too could deserve a spot in T1, since it is irreplaceable in the deck giving it the boost it need to beat other T1 decks.
Plus recent meta shift to druid to counter odd warrior deserves to be considered, actually before this shift tempo mage was worse than now and though Luna fine to stay in a T2.
Just my opinion, didn't want to argue with anyone for this ;)
Great crafting guide.
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Prince 4 was experimented in mill rogue for less than a week when people unanimously agreed that Saronite Chain Gang was simply better. When you have a legendary that is outclassed by a rare from the same set, you really have a problem.
Conditional cards must have a decent advantage to merit playing, and while Keleseth was amazing and Taldaram was useful as a lesser cost Faceless. Valanaar was just meh. Even if you gave him windfury and divine shield, making him a super Corpsetaker, he still wouldn't see play. Prince Valanaar is just bad, and will likely to never have a chance to be useful as more versatile cards like Zilliax are added. If there was ever a justification for tier 6, it would be this.
You guys can use Harbinger Celestia in this deck! :)
The deck is in my signature. ^^
I got a golden one in a pack myself, and I will have to pull that off at least once before she is dusted. That (meme) deck might get a mention in the guide.
Editor of the Heartpwn Legendary Crafting Guide:
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The deck is here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1zduRzTV-E&ab_channel=GerritDeMan
Thinking of crafting either Stargazer Luna or Houndmaster - I realize Houndmaster is a stronger card but enjoy both tempo mage and hunter decks. Also lack Kathrena and King Krush so that's a factor as well. Any recommendations?
Is spell hunter still good?
Im only missing rhok'delar but cant bring my self to craft it at the moment, as im missing some good legendaries of classes i like more, for example Godfrey or Rin, Sylvanas and Ragnaros for wild etc...( i play both formats).
so what do you guys suggest?
It is not nearly as strong now as a few weeks ago. It is still a fun and different hunter experience, just don't expect it to be a cookie cutter. I have some experience with the card itself, and it is slightly unreliable. Some spells are AWFUL while some are amazing. Rhok'delar was just demoted from tier 1 to 2.
I would just hang on to your dust for now, at least until you have tried spell hunter without the Weapon. You will get the feeling by playing Flare or another secret instead.
Stargazer Luna is a pretty safe craft now, and was promoted from tier 3 to 2.
Editor of the Heartpwn Legendary Crafting Guide:
https://www.hearthpwn.com/forums/hearthstone-general/card-discussion/205920-legendary-tier-list-crafting-guide
Is safe to craft Dr. Boom, Mad Genius right now? and what about The Boomship or Zilliax or Whizbang the Wonderful (Even if i have some decks?) ?
Dr. Boom, Mad Genius was just moved to tier 1. His winrates are good, and he has a lot of happy owners!
Zilliax might be the even safer craft, as he can be used in more decks, including odd warrior, but I don't think he will give you as much immidiate pleasure.
I would not recommend The Boomship nor Whizbang the Wonderful compared to the first 2.
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I actually think Stargazer Luna shoud be moved in T1 since she is in the deck that is the hardest counter of quest rogue and by the way a very good aggro deck (even though I can understand that aggro is struggling a lot cause of odd warrior). Luna is irreplaceable in tempo mage, since it gives a great boost, in the early turns before Aluneth, against decks that don't have ready removal on turn 3 and btw in same cases it forces the opponent to play suboptimally in order to remove her.
Countering a tier 2 deck is not enough to be considered for tier 1, and even less so for a class card.
Aggro/tempo mage is itself a tier 2 deck as well, having some tough matchups but doing slightly better than quest rogue.
Editor of the Heartpwn Legendary Crafting Guide:
https://www.hearthpwn.com/forums/hearthstone-general/card-discussion/205920-legendary-tier-list-crafting-guide
Well actually Tempo Mage is a better aggro deck than Odd Rogue/Paladin in certain circumstances since it has a lot of burn damage that can pass over taunts, with Aluneth or Luna acts as Keleseth when played the overall WR is insane. Actually if you want to go aggro and you find only druid Tempo Mage is the way to follow; aside from his worst odd warrior matchup in legend is a counter to quest rogue, that there is T1 since is a control crusher, plus it can play very well against druids. It actually counters a lot of T1 decks.
I haven't seen any sources claiming tempo mage is tier 1 in a long time. As it struggles with ALL common odd decks and hunters, it will probably stay as a tier 2 counterdeck. Tempo mage was stronger as a Cubelock counter 6 months ago.
Editor of the Heartpwn Legendary Crafting Guide:
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I haven't said it is a T1 deck, but actually it sees enough play in this meta to consider Luna more than safe craft that would stay along other T1 cards that does not belogs to T1 decks like Jaina DK and Thalnos or Master Oakheart; for sure BSM and Taunt D are no more than T2. This was my point.
That is another issue. Those cards might be placed too high, it will be checked soon! Thalnos, however, is evergreen and sees a lot of play in very different decks. He is a very good, safe craft rather than a metagame powerouse.
Also, why didn't anyone complain that Luna was tier 3 until recently?
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Well actually last time I checked in T1 Boomsday it was empty, so it was kinda fine. Everything was still up to be.
But now that I see Zilliax in T1 (it doesn't win game by itself, is kind of a nice addition for sure though) that actually is good only in Odd Warrior and Dr Boom (actually the very real T1 card of the expansion), I think that Luna too could deserve a spot in T1, since it is irreplaceable in the deck giving it the boost it need to beat other T1 decks.
Plus recent meta shift to druid to counter odd warrior deserves to be considered, actually before this shift tempo mage was worse than now and though Luna fine to stay in a T2.
Just my opinion, didn't want to argue with anyone for this ;)
I think that I have not seen any Aggro Mage in a while. The deck I see most is Zoolock.