I swear I wish you people would stop complaining and crying about deck types. I don't really put loads of money in this game and I can't keep playing if everything I try out gets nerfed to the point that you can't use it. It's like this community wants you to play how they demand not how you want. How can you be okay with literally every other deck being played right now and not Jade Druid. Stop with this hypocritical BS and let Jade Druid alone.
You get dust back if they nerf so that you can craft another deck. Jade druid is oppressively powerful and has created essentially a 4 deck meta. There are plenty of ways to nerf the deck that don't come anywhere close to killing off the deck, but right now it beats anything it wants to that isn't murloc palladin or aggro druid. That isn't ok. Jade druid is essentially taking away viable ladder options and is creating a monotonous ladder.
The reason people don't like jade druid is because it's not only boring to play against, but it completely crushes control decks, promoting an aggro meta. The same went for quest rogue before it got nerfed.
It has a brainless autopilot win condition which requires little or no skill, and now thanks to the new expansion it has all the answers it needs to the problems it had in the past.
There's already little to no creativity in deck building in this game, but when you have decks like jade druid dominating the meta, it makes the problem even worse.
The fact is if you want Blizzard to stop balancing the game and to let your OP tier one decks to survive, players are going to leave the game by the millions. In fact I'd already go as far as to say the vast majority of players feel Blizzard doesn't do enough to balance the game, which is why so many veterans have moved on to other games.
I think the only reason why you have an issue with nerfing jade druid would be because you play it. Which kinda makes you sound very unconvincing so ya... Not targeting you or anything, I personally dont have an issue with the deck. For some reason I rarely see it now despite it being everywhere according to stats.
The deck is broken AF. Besides you have nothing to worry about, Blizzard takes forever to fix their product so you have some time to have fun "out-skilling" your opponents by Queuing Jade Druid.
The reason people don't like jade druid is because it's not only boring to play against, but it completely crushes control decks, promoting an aggro meta. The same went for quest rogue before it got nerfed.
It has a brainless autopilot win condition which requires little or no skill, and now thanks to the new expansion it has all the answers it needs to the problems it had in the past.
There's already little to no creativity in deck building in this game, but when you have decks like jade druid dominating the meta, it makes the problem even worse.
The fact is if you want Blizzard to stop balancing the game and to let your OP tier one decks to survive, players are going to leave the game by the millions. In fact I'd already go as far as to say the vast majority of players feel Blizzard doesn't do enough to balance the game, which is why so many veterans have moved on to other games.
1. Fun is subjective, stop trying to take a moral highground. 'People' who complain on these forums find ALL types of decks boring, the only difference is that since its subjective the folks who are having fun currently are the ones who are actually playing the game as opposed to sitting on forums whining about it.
2. Every deck has been blamed as an 'autopilot' deck so this is entirely a waste of time trying to argue.
3. You do realize that Jade Druid has been out since Mean Streets of Gadgetzan and to qoute Brian Kibler... "I just made a new deck that I hadn't ever played before" and that was about... 1-2 weeks before Knights of the Frozen Throne came out. You dare to make a claim that 'Oh this is so bad, the new expansion has been out for a bit over 2 weeks now and folks are actually trying to rank up on the ladder'...? Not quite...
4. This is only partially true; the first part is true, the other one is not. Folks move to other games because they don't like the old ones or find newer games they like more. If you wish to make a statement of 'how many' veterans have moved to other games and they having this reason... I am sure it will be able to compete with the litterally 50+ million users that play Hearthstone.
Point is: you want to make such an impressive claim like this? Prove it rather than pulling it out of yer' ass.
Then look at tge VS report. There is a thread about it, you can clearly see jade druid fucked the meta. You can shove your claims to your ass, even blizzard said they have bern "monitoring" druid for fucks sake people like you gave me all kinds of salt
I'm with you mate. Given enough time counter decks will emerge. This community calls for nerfs to easily. I'm all for a balanced game, but it's only week bloody 2.
I mean it does need to get nerfed. There is one version of it in legend that has a 77% win rate according to tracking sites. There are also versions barely at 30% win rate.
Is it the most oppressive deck in hearthstone ever? I would still give that to Shaman before Mean Streets. You had the aggro shaman and mid range shaman that almost anyone could play and hit legend with a solid win rate. Is Jade Druid there at the moment? I don't think so, but it is close. A couple misplays and you lose against solid decks.
Yes, let's all keep pretending that druid making up 27% of the total decks played with Jade being almost 15% of that is not a problem. (Data Reaper Report #59)
I swear I wish you people would stop complaining and crying about deck types. I don't really put loads of money in this game and I can't keep playing if everything I try out gets nerfed to the point that you can't use it. It's like this community wants you to play how they demand not how you want. How can you be okay with literally every other deck being played right now and not Jade Druid. Stop with this hypocritical BS and let Jade Druid alone.
I swear I wish you people would stop complaining and crying about deck types. I don't really put loads of money in this game and I can't keep playing if everything I try out gets nerfed to the point that you can't use it. It's like this community wants you to play how they demand not how you want. How can you be okay with literally every other deck being played right now and not Jade Druid. Stop with this hypocritical BS and let Jade Druid alone.
For one every other deck played? You arre lying or just trolling. Look at metastats or VS report. There is 4 VIABLE DECK ARCHTYPES. Four. You are just saying nonsense with that sentence. Secondly as people said, if it gets nerfed you will have your dust to craft another cards but you probably knew that. So there is to options
1 You are having a blast with Jade's and you didn't have that much WR with any other deck ever and you don't want to gave that away
2 You are just trolling because you knew what will be community's reaction to this thread
Either way you are the hypocrite here. If you are defending a deck that even blizzard said they have been "monitoring" it and so many streamers said it's a little problematic, you are just lying to yourself
Stop with this hypocritical BS and let Jade Druid alone.
It is clear some cards are broken and unfair like UI and Innervate.
Why "hypocritical"? The game have 9 classes, how many druids you see in ladder and how many hunters/warlocks? Here druid is more frequent than rogue/hunter/warlock combined, signal of something is wrong.
But just for know, you think 1 card draw 5 cards, give 5 damage, gain 5 armor and summon a 5/5 is ok what a card need to do for you agree is broken and need nerf?
Something like 1 mana spell always come in your first hand and say "Win the game"?
Nope. Jade Druid is already in their sights. Blizzard never lets a card they set their eyes on remain good after that. I bet they'll make Jade Idol cost 3 mana instead. Or make it so Jades only increase in health, not both health and attack. Or why not both? Better enjoy it while you can, friend!
Stop with this hypocritical BS and let Jade Druid alone.
It is clear some cards are broken and unfair like UI and Innervate.
Why "hypocritical"? The game have 9 classes, how many druids you see in ladder and how many hunters/warlocks? Here druid is more frequent than rogue/hunter/warlock combined, signal of something is wrong.
But just for know, you think 1 card draw 5 cards, give 5 damage, gain 5 armor and summon a 5/5 is ok what a card need to do for you agree is broken and need nerf?
Something like 1 mana spell always come in your first hand and say "Win the game"?
We discussed this when it was announced, a 10-mana card needs to be VERY impactful or else it's completely unplayable. There is no in-between.
Not a fan of Jade Druid but UI is not the issue in my opinion, it's Jades themselves.
Jade, huge card draw and ramp are all fine by themselves since you either lose quite a lot of value or tempo with each of them individually but all 3 together just cancelled out most of the weaknesses.
I don't mind playing against the hordes of druids that much since this decks have to react to your board + they usually don't have hard removals -> there is much more gameplay on both sides than in something like a face hunter, patron warrior, miracle rogue or freeze mage meta. While all other (maybe beside face hunter^^) mentioned decks may be more difficult to pilot they are most certainly less fun to play against since they block you out of the game. -> Usually there is allways a dominant deck and I am quite happy that the dominant deck is an interactive one this time. (+ I don't care if the dominant deck is boring to play, it is only important that it is not that boring to play against)
That said, I also hope that it doesn't get nerfed hard. If they do anything than they should target something like innervate. (making it to a Preperation for minions instead of flat +2 mana or something like this)
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Who can take your trash out? Stomp it down for you? Shake the plastic bag and do the twisty thingy, too?
There should be only 1 or 2 decks - that way people can play against only the same few decks so playing gets extremely monotonous, and anyone who decided to craft a deck that doesn't see play can kiss goodbye to the entire expansion! Genius!
Not to mention people who just don't enjoy Druid playstyles - they can stop playing Hearthstone until next expansion too.
The reason people don't like jade druid is because it's not only boring to play against, but it completely crushes control decks, promoting an aggro meta. The same went for quest rogue before it got nerfed.
It has a brainless autopilot win condition which requires little or no skill, and now thanks to the new expansion it has all the answers it needs to the problems it had in the past.
There's already little to no creativity in deck building in this game, but when you have decks like jade druid dominating the meta, it makes the problem even worse.
The fact is if you want Blizzard to stop balancing the game and to let your OP tier one decks to survive, players are going to leave the game by the millions. In fact I'd already go as far as to say the vast majority of players feel Blizzard doesn't do enough to balance the game, which is why so many veterans have moved on to other games.
1. Fun is subjective, stop trying to take a moral highground. 'People' who complain on these forums find ALL types of decks boring, the only difference is that since its subjective the folks who are having fun currently are the ones who are actually playing the game as opposed to sitting on forums whining about it.
2. Every deck has been blamed as an 'autopilot' deck so this is entirely a waste of time trying to argue.
3. You do realize that Jade Druid has been out since Mean Streets of Gadgetzan and to qoute Brian Kibler... "I just made a new deck that I hadn't ever played before" and that was about... 1-2 weeks before Knights of the Frozen Throne came out. You dare to make a claim that 'Oh this is so bad, the new expansion has been out for a bit over 2 weeks now and folks are actually trying to rank up on the ladder'...? Not quite...
4. This is only partially true; the first part is true, the other one is not. Folks move to other games because they don't like the old ones or find newer games they like more. If you wish to make a statement of 'how many' veterans have moved to other games and they having this reason... I am sure it will be able to compete with the litterally 50+ million users that play Hearthstone.
Point is: you want to make such an impressive claim like this? Prove it rather than pulling it out of yer' ass.
To be honest, you just made a VERY compelling point for why it should be nerfed ... a deck that has dominated through multiple expansions probably needs to be put to bed. Pirate Warrior (a deck I play, by the way), probably falls under the same tent. I think with a new expansion there should be new deck ideas ... something to keep the game fresh, not just rehashing and turbo boosting old decks.
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I wanna glide down, over Mulholland I wanna write her, name in the sky I wanna free fall, out into nothin' Gonna leave this, world for awhile
i actually have to admit,that since i am playing ramp druid from a while,way before this expansion,they just made it viable for the ladder. I have been raped god knows how many times from stupid and braindead aggros, while trying to ramp up and start to play something in the past, that i am finally enjoying it. I love that a braindead huntard cant kill me anymore with those retard arrows or with the 1/1 murlock invasion and will hide forever behind armor/taunts. However,the jade is completely broken,i agree. i mean, i always liked that a rogue could start drawing at turn 6 and do his stuffs,but druid shouldnt be allowed do that WITH JADES,he just should not.Because a 1 mana card is summoning a 9/9 and/or, depending on fandral, putting other 3 card with increasing stats in the deck.are you f kidding me? Or at least,remove that fucking armor for 1 mana.thats another broken card.
I also think that all those complaining are face players that wanna "me go face" for their entire life and cant kill anymore because druid now can wrecks them . Complaining for some cards being op is good but not for the entire card set that has been out from gadgetzan.
I think it should be nerfed a bit. I mean, to be fair, i havent been facing Jade Druids as much as people say, but i used to play the deck during Mean Streets to see if it was OP. And it was honestly. After i crafted Yogg for it, it started to bore me as a deck. Yeah it was cool to win alot more, but it just felt stale and im the sympathetic type of player (If u had lethal and i somehow get lethal on u by an RNG card, i would concede because it felt dirty to win like that) so then i completely disenchanted the deck and niw im playing Freeze/Cthun Mage. Sure im stuck around ranks 18-17 but i mean im a casual player and my skills dont equate to the players who really know their stuff, which is how it should be. I hit Rank 14 with Jades and all i did was summon, draw, summon, draw more. Wasnt worth the ranking for me.
I swear I wish you people would stop complaining and crying about deck types. I don't really put loads of money in this game and I can't keep playing if everything I try out gets nerfed to the point that you can't use it. It's like this community wants you to play how they demand not how you want. How can you be okay with literally every other deck being played right now and not Jade Druid. Stop with this hypocritical BS and let Jade Druid alone.
Dead but dreaming
You get dust back if they nerf so that you can craft another deck. Jade druid is oppressively powerful and has created essentially a 4 deck meta. There are plenty of ways to nerf the deck that don't come anywhere close to killing off the deck, but right now it beats anything it wants to that isn't murloc palladin or aggro druid. That isn't ok. Jade druid is essentially taking away viable ladder options and is creating a monotonous ladder.
Silence before the storm. This thread will be the new 'blow of steam place.
The reason people don't like jade druid is because it's not only boring to play against, but it completely crushes control decks, promoting an aggro meta. The same went for quest rogue before it got nerfed.
It has a brainless autopilot win condition which requires little or no skill, and now thanks to the new expansion it has all the answers it needs to the problems it had in the past.
There's already little to no creativity in deck building in this game, but when you have decks like jade druid dominating the meta, it makes the problem even worse.
The fact is if you want Blizzard to stop balancing the game and to let your OP tier one decks to survive, players are going to leave the game by the millions. In fact I'd already go as far as to say the vast majority of players feel Blizzard doesn't do enough to balance the game, which is why so many veterans have moved on to other games.
I think the only reason why you have an issue with nerfing jade druid would be because you play it. Which kinda makes you sound very unconvincing so ya... Not targeting you or anything, I personally dont have an issue with the deck. For some reason I rarely see it now despite it being everywhere according to stats.
The deck is broken AF. Besides you have nothing to worry about, Blizzard takes forever to fix their product so you have some time to have fun "out-skilling" your opponents by Queuing Jade Druid.
I'm with you mate. Given enough time counter decks will emerge. This community calls for nerfs to easily. I'm all for a balanced game, but it's only week bloody 2.
I mean it does need to get nerfed. There is one version of it in legend that has a 77% win rate according to tracking sites. There are also versions barely at 30% win rate.
Is it the most oppressive deck in hearthstone ever? I would still give that to Shaman before Mean Streets. You had the aggro shaman and mid range shaman that almost anyone could play and hit legend with a solid win rate. Is Jade Druid there at the moment? I don't think so, but it is close. A couple misplays and you lose against solid decks.
I really don't know why people don't like dominating decks .
Don't you like winning ?
Un Goro meta was so balanced that it took tons of games to rank up a bit - it was terrible .
Yes, let's all keep pretending that druid making up 27% of the total decks played with Jade being almost 15% of that is not a problem. (Data Reaper Report #59)
Nope. Jade Druid is already in their sights. Blizzard never lets a card they set their eyes on remain good after that. I bet they'll make Jade Idol cost 3 mana instead. Or make it so Jades only increase in health, not both health and attack. Or why not both? Better enjoy it while you can, friend!
Not a fan of Jade Druid but UI is not the issue in my opinion, it's Jades themselves.
Jade, huge card draw and ramp are all fine by themselves since you either lose quite a lot of value or tempo with each of them individually but all 3 together just cancelled out most of the weaknesses.
I don't mind playing against the hordes of druids that much since this decks have to react to your board + they usually don't have hard removals -> there is much more gameplay on both sides than in something like a face hunter, patron warrior, miracle rogue or freeze mage meta. While all other (maybe beside face hunter^^) mentioned decks may be more difficult to pilot they are most certainly less fun to play against since they block you out of the game. -> Usually there is allways a dominant deck and I am quite happy that the dominant deck is an interactive one this time. (+ I don't care if the dominant deck is boring to play, it is only important that it is not that boring to play against)
That said, I also hope that it doesn't get nerfed hard. If they do anything than they should target something like innervate. (making it to a Preperation for minions instead of flat +2 mana or something like this)
Who can take your trash out?
Stomp it down for you?
Shake the plastic bag
and do the twisty thingy, too?
What a singularly stupid idea.
There should be only 1 or 2 decks - that way people can play against only the same few decks so playing gets extremely monotonous, and anyone who decided to craft a deck that doesn't see play can kiss goodbye to the entire expansion! Genius!
Not to mention people who just don't enjoy Druid playstyles - they can stop playing Hearthstone until next expansion too.
I wanna glide down, over Mulholland
I wanna write her, name in the sky
I wanna free fall, out into nothin'
Gonna leave this, world for awhile
i actually have to admit,that since i am playing ramp druid from a while,way before this expansion,they just made it viable for the ladder.
I have been raped god knows how many times from stupid and braindead aggros, while trying to ramp up and start to play something in the past, that i am finally enjoying it.
I love that a braindead huntard cant kill me anymore with those retard arrows or with the 1/1 murlock invasion and will hide forever behind armor/taunts.
However,the jade is completely broken,i agree. i mean, i always liked that a rogue could start drawing at turn 6 and do his stuffs,but druid shouldnt be allowed do that WITH JADES,he just should not.Because a 1 mana card is summoning a 9/9 and/or, depending on fandral, putting other 3 card with increasing stats in the deck.are you f kidding me?
Or at least,remove that fucking armor for 1 mana.thats another broken card.
I also think that all those complaining are face players that wanna "me go face" for their entire life and cant kill anymore because druid now can wrecks them . Complaining for some cards being op is good but not for the entire card set that has been out from gadgetzan.
Best quotes:
"Casual is perfectly fine"
"warlock is not overpowered"
"Playing odd paladin just to test it"
I think it should be nerfed a bit. I mean, to be fair, i havent been facing Jade Druids as much as people say, but i used to play the deck during Mean Streets to see if it was OP. And it was honestly. After i crafted Yogg for it, it started to bore me as a deck. Yeah it was cool to win alot more, but it just felt stale and im the sympathetic type of player (If u had lethal and i somehow get lethal on u by an RNG card, i would concede because it felt dirty to win like that) so then i completely disenchanted the deck and niw im playing Freeze/Cthun Mage. Sure im stuck around ranks 18-17 but i mean im a casual player and my skills dont equate to the players who really know their stuff, which is how it should be. I hit Rank 14 with Jades and all i did was summon, draw, summon, draw more. Wasnt worth the ranking for me.