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Quote from samuellima91 >>

Viper did misplay by not checking the secret first before playing his minions on the first match. But it's pretty bs that Rogues can now pull answers out of nowhere and from any class. It was bad enough when they could get answers from cards of your class but at least it was limited to that. Now they are going to start printing bs like Hench-Clan Burglar that allows them to get answers out of thin air. As if there wasn't enough RNG in the game. Good luck playing around all the dozens of random spells they can get now. And that random hunter secret decided the match. Very fair.

 His play is better vs misdirection though since he has a much better change that it cant prevent lethal with 2 lethal attackers. Wether that is a missplay or not would require a much deeper analysis and is not nearly as clear cut as you make it seem.

 Yeah, that makes sense. But i still think that it's unfair how Rogues can do this sort of bs now. As i said, it's one thing to know that your opponent is holding a random card from your class because it came from a more limited selection of cards. But it's another story when the card could be literally any spell from any class. Secrets are easier to deal with in this scenario but burn spells or board clears? Can't do anything about that. 

Viper did misplay by not checking the secret first before playing his minions on the first match. But it's pretty bs that Rogues can now pull answers out of nowhere and from any class. It was bad enough when they could get answers from cards of your class but at least it was limited to that. Now they are going to start printing bs like Hench-Clan Burglar that allows them to get answers out of thin air. As if there wasn't enough RNG in the game. Good luck playing around all the dozens of random spells they can get now. And that random hunter secret decided the match. Very fair.

Really cool card. Feels really good when you manage to combo this with Da Undatakah. Too bad priest sucks right now. But in a few months i expect that a really good combo/control deathrattle priest deck will become viable.

Potentially good in a variety of decks as long as cards with effects such as "If you control this type of minion, do this" are printed.

It may not be the best card or even all that good, but it seems really fun to try building a deck around this. Ysera, Oondasta, Damaged Stegotron, Witchwood Grizzly, Amani War Bear, Big Bad Archmage, Blackhowl Gunspire (OH YES), Archmage Vargoth... There are a lot of possibilities. We will lose quite a few good survival tools, but i think we still have enough to make this work. I'm gonna give it a shot for sure!

The card is okay, but what i don't understand is their sudden obsession with 6 cost minions.

Wasn't Madame Lazul supposed to be the villain? Because this is pure EVIL...

Sounds like infinite value stuff to me. I thought they were going to avoid this kind of thing after rotation. We are losing Skulking Geist so this could become a very problematic card. Thankfully, Elven Minstrel is out so drawing the minions is going to be much slower, but this card when used alongside Lab Recruiter and (maybe) Academic Espionage just means that it will be impossible to beat Rogue in fatigue. And Pogo-Hopper could finally become a real issue. 

Not gonna dismiss this one yet as Mecha'thun decks looked like the biggest meme ever and became one of the most frustrating things in the game. This card doesn't win the game instantly, at least.

It's okay. Treant Druid is a deck that is always generating tokens or placing things on the board. If the opponent clears all your early game attempts at building a board, you still have this for the late game and they will probably have already used most of their board clears. With two of these cards, you will be able to refill your board four times. Not to mention the synergy with Mulchmuncher. Copying those 0 cost munchers with Splintergraft and Gloop Sprayer is a pretty cool late game strategy as well. It will probably be very strong against slower decks but aggro decks will be a problem for it.

You sure must have it hard for getting 1-2 cards nerfed that constantly saw play in EVERY SINGLE deck or ARCHETYPE of the mentioned classes. When they'll give me back my Ice Lance and Ice Block OR find a better replacement in classic than the RNG spell generator no one is using - we can talk then.

I don't really sympathise that much with the other HoFed classes (Conceal for Rogue and Power Overwhelming for Warlock) but they sure as hell also felt it - especially all zoo/aggro warlocks with the loss of PO.

Did the Fiery War Axe and Wild Growth + Nourish nerfs were clean? Certainly not.

Were they not overkills of the cards? Certainly not and with both of those I sympathise.

But

If the cards are both UNIVERSALLY STRONG IN EVERY SITUATION, go into EVERY DECK and SEVERLY cripple other archetypes/classes or their means to response then the cards either need to get changed (the latest nerfs) or HOFed (Ice block, PO).

Pity that Blizzard as always made sure to nerf/destroy a full class (Druid) + most of the tier 2/counters offending decks and leave one full class of 4 archetypes without any meanigful nerfs/adjustments (Hunter)

I'm tired of Blizzards policy to have a cycle of "this is a X class expansion". This game will never be fun or "fair" for others if Blizzards answer to balance and having 9 classes is basically make 2-3 unusuable/garbage (example Druid, Shaman) 2-3 mediocre to niche/counter classes (example Mage, Warrior) and 2-3 OP/tier one warping the meta around them (example Hunter).

Why can they never think over the expansions and act ACCORDINGLY? I get it. It's hard and unpredictable. But that's what 2-3 nerf cycles should be for - to tone down the main offenders (all at once while having thought it over) and correct a second time making sure it is at least "somehow" balanced. The third cycle should be trying to bump counters and or decks that are "so so"/almost there.

Totally get what you’re saying if it’s in respect to Kingsbane Rogue. The problem with that argument is that anyone who played Kingsbane Rogue was morally bankrupt and is getting what they deserve!

I think you don't understand the purpose of this nerf.

It's not just to reduce Druid'S overall power, but also to open up design space.

Wild Growth always had two major effects on deckbuilding:

a) it basically defined the proactive 2-mana slot for every Druid deck that wasn't full aggro (or Spiteful)

b) it also severely reduced the relevance of the 3-mana slot, as ideally you'd want to skip the 3-mana curve and go straight into 4-mana

As a result Druid 2-drops rarely ever saw play, because the downsides of not using Wild Growth is far greater than the disadvantage of not playing a 2-drop on curve. Moreover, it also meant that any Druid 3-drop would have to be ridiculously powerful (or a reactive tool) to justify running in a deck that ideally never wants to be at 3-mana. Wardruid Loti for example is an insane card iin terms of flexibility, but right now you barely see her pllayed even in decks that can run her, simply because there is little need for an actual 3-drop.

Effectively this change makes it so they can design better 2- and 3-drops for Druid, allowing for more midrange deckbuilding possibilities and also being able to create stronger expensive cards, since ramping is more difficult now.

People seem to be so obsessed with Ultimate Infestation and Spreading Plague being overpowered, when the real reason why these cards are so ommnipresent is simply because of how seamlessly they go along with the current ramp options.

That being said, if they do not seriously up the powerlevel of upcoming Druid cards then the class might just drop to Old Gods Priest level of unplayable. Then again, everyone else had their turn, so I can't feel too bad about it.

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It won't be played by anyone, until players start using random decks without building a win condition. This is useless and a beast, so useless also in taunt druid. 

 You make it sound as if you can't use any minion which itself isn't a win condition. This is clearly a support card.

As people have mentioned, it being 3 cost and being a beast in it's forms cuts it out of most decks cuz it has anti-synergy with the most popular druid shenanigans. I put it in my token druid though, because it can be 4 damage removal, it can make my swipe a better clear, it can sack a bunch of dudes against odd paladin, or it can dissuade a turn 3 mountain giant. Yes, those are the good scenarios, but what other card is flexible enough to work in 4 types of scenarios for once card slot?

I'm curious to see whether it'll see more wide-spread adoption after rotation. All in all, cool flavor and good balance.

Sad this guy is rotating out next..

I'm going to feel so...defenseless...

;'-(

Swiss Knife of the Woods.

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Didn't the Spark theme already prove that this will be really weak?

1\1 rush elemental anywhere is nowhere close to 1\1 rush beast in hunter.

It is a fire fly that trades 1 health for rush and all hunter beast synergies. You can Houndmaster it, you can razormaw it. You can buff hyena with it. You can even make it poisonous with Toxmonger

I found room for this card in Odd Rogue.  It has helped me win games when I didn't have a way to deal with taunts.  A  Southsea Deckhandthat just keeps coming back to deliver more and more beats in a turn or a Vilespine Slayerthat comes back for 1 mana is great!

Hmmm . . .

I mostly play Wild, and while I can appreciate the consternation that this card is causing Wild players, it should also be borne in mind that Juicy Psychmelon carries some very important invisible text - namely, "since you've just announced that you've drawn your combo, your opponent will often simply win the game by playing Dirty Rat once you pass the turn." Presumably, if Combo Druid becomes popular, every deck apart from pure Aggro will simply tech DR, and wait for the Druid to tell them when to play it.

I realize that this is a bit of a simplification, and Juicy Psychmelon is clearly a powerful card, but it does carry a very obvious drawback which relatively few people are discussing . . .

Problem with this DK compared to the other ones is that this one is fair.

We can't have fair in constructed now, can we?