They nerfed Patches the Pirate and Raza the Chained which are about to retire, which means that they are trying to balance wild. However, they forgot to nerf the most imbalanced turtle in wild
They nerfed Patches the Pirate and Raza the Chained which are about to retire, which means that they are trying to balance wild. However, they forgot to nerf the most imbalanced turtle in wild
First, these changes and the comments actually make it clear they don’t want to do balance changes to wild, that is why they are making the changes before the rotation.
Second, while it definitely considers long term in Wild, it is also for change the current meta in standard.
Third, it isn’t so much about balance as effects that frustrate players.
Fourth, if you wanted to balance Wild you would need a hell of a lot more than five changes.
Mal'Ganis is not that great. There are a great many other cards that need to be nerfed before him. Also, he's not all that strong. There are certainly stronger Warlock cards.
It can be pulled out easily in the early game via Voidcaller, Skull of the Man'ari, or that 5/2/2 guy. While it is indeed not that hard to remove it, the main problem is the fact that it can be summoned back with 6 other demons by Bloodreaver Gul'dan and give 6 other demons +2/+2
With all the taunts, buffs, monstrous board, and an immune hero with lifesteal. This card is way too powerful
And this is clearly not a card that finally gets to see play for the first time after several years, you would know that if you play wild. All other wild players know that it had always been in wild with Dreadsteed until it got nerfed, and it didn't disappear after Dreadsteed got nerfed because Bloodreaver Gul'dan came out the same set and gave it even more appearance.
Blizzard should make a special stream lessons or youtube videos in which they explain the the only way hs should be played is with supa dupa 1000 IQ control/combo homebrewed decks and 30 minutes long match is a minimum time period that proves you're not braindead blah blah something etc.
Mal'Ganis is not that great. There are a great many other cards that need to be nerfed before him. Also, he's not all that strong. There are certainly stronger Warlock cards.
You are wrong, he is absolutely fantastic. The Cube- and demon-control archetypes are already strong in standard, and Mal'Ganis makes them undoubtebly better in Wild. One of the ways to fight them in Standard is to burn face and this guy forces you to waste precious damage or removal on him, not to mention the DK-boards, which are even more disgusting with this guy in the mix, especially if you have gotten a copy off.
And don't worry, you will play Voidlords as well, and rather cut a Doomguard. I am not sure if he needs a nerf, though, Wild is not played enough to get a clear picture of power levels.
Good thing polymorph, hex, and devolve aren't cards that can deal with Mal'Ganis and make it so he can't come back via Gul'Dan. Also, it is good that Twisting Nether, Brawl, and Equality combos also are not a thing that would be able to deal with demon Gul'Dan boards that are buffed by a rezzed Mal'Ganis.
Mal'ganis is one of the few high cost cards that actually provide adequate value for their cost and are worth running. god bless 'em. I think more cards should have as high of a power level as him, frankly, especially since we're seeing so many broken 1 (Mana Wyrm springs to mind) and 2 drops that nothing that costs 4 or 5 times more compares to.
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Good thing polymorph, hex, and devolve aren't cards that can deal with Mal'Ganis and make it so he can't come back via Gul'Dan. Also, it is good that Twisting Nether, Brawl, and Equality combos also are not a thing that would be able to deal with demon Gul'Dan boards that are buffed by a rezzed Mal'Ganis.
Good thing polymorph, hex, and devolve aren't cards that can deal with Mal'Ganis and make it so he can't come back via Gul'Dan. Also, it is good that Twisting Nether, Brawl, and Equality combos also are not a thing that would be able to deal with demon Gul'Dan boards that are buffed by a rezzed Mal'Ganis.
Yep, no counters at all, must nerf.
Yeah. I also don't understand why everyone thought the following were overpowered cards:
-Dr boom: you could just twisting nether his ass, or equality consec him, not to mention bgh or fireball + ping(even costs one less mana!)
-Undertaker: if played on turn one, was vulnerable to frostbolt, darkbomb, fiery war axe, and many others
-Knife Juggler: LOLZ IT WAS A 2 MANA 3/2, IT DIED TO BACKSTAB, ARCANE SHOT, ARCANE PLAST AND OTHER VARIOUS ONE MANA CARDS BLIZZ PLS REBUFF
Now that you may be starting to realize why you don't know a thing about how this game works, I suggest you do us all a favour and retire from this forum.
Good thing polymorph, hex, and devolve aren't cards that can deal with Mal'Ganis and make it so he can't come back via Gul'Dan. Also, it is good that Twisting Nether, Brawl, and Equality combos also are not a thing that would be able to deal with demon Gul'Dan boards that are buffed by a rezzed Mal'Ganis.
Good thing polymorph, hex, and devolve aren't cards that can deal with Mal'Ganis and make it so he can't come back via Gul'Dan. Also, it is good that Twisting Nether, Brawl, and Equality combos also are not a thing that would be able to deal with demon Gul'Dan boards that are buffed by a rezzed Mal'Ganis.
Yep, no counters at all, must nerf.
Yeah. I also don't understand why everyone thought the following were overpowered cards:
-Dr boom: you could just twisting nether his ass, or equality consec him, not to mention bgh or fireball + ping(even costs one less mana!)
-Undertaker: if played on turn one, was vulnerable to frostbolt, darkbomb, fiery war axe, and many others
-Knife Juggler: LOLZ IT WAS A 2 MANA 3/2, IT DIED TO BACKSTAB, ARCANE SHOT, ARCANE PLAST AND OTHER VARIOUS ONE MANA CARDS BLIZZ PLS REBUFF
Now that you may be starting to realize why you don't know a thing about how this game works, I suggest you do us all a favour and retire from this forum.
Nice try, but no. <3
DId you even play Undertaker Hunter back in the day? FWA on turn 2 was perhaps one of the only things that broke my win streaks on ladder if I didn't get a god hand of double undertaker & double leper gnome right away to buff it out of range of the ax.
With Boom all it took was one 3 mana BGH to swing tempo immediately in your favor (durp tech cards are hard I know).
If Mal'Ganis is as godly as you are attempting to claim then pray tell, why are there still a whole plethora of decks still being used on wild ladder? Yep, Mal'Ganis was such a problem that it clearly has monopolized the wild meta, kappa.
Good thing polymorph, hex, and devolve aren't cards that can deal with Mal'Ganis and make it so he can't come back via Gul'Dan. Also, it is good that Twisting Nether, Brawl, and Equality combos also are not a thing that would be able to deal with demon Gul'Dan boards that are buffed by a rezzed Mal'Ganis.
Good thing polymorph, hex, and devolve aren't cards that can deal with Mal'Ganis and make it so he can't come back via Gul'Dan. Also, it is good that Twisting Nether, Brawl, and Equality combos also are not a thing that would be able to deal with demon Gul'Dan boards that are buffed by a rezzed Mal'Ganis.
Yep, no counters at all, must nerf.
Yeah. I also don't understand why everyone thought the following were overpowered cards:
-Dr boom: you could just twisting nether his ass, or equality consec him, not to mention bgh or fireball + ping(even costs one less mana!)
-Undertaker: if played on turn one, was vulnerable to frostbolt, darkbomb, fiery war axe, and many others
-Knife Juggler: LOLZ IT WAS A 2 MANA 3/2, IT DIED TO BACKSTAB, ARCANE SHOT, ARCANE PLAST AND OTHER VARIOUS ONE MANA CARDS BLIZZ PLS REBUFF
Now that you may be starting to realize why you don't know a thing about how this game works, I suggest you do us all a favour and retire from this forum.
Nice try, but no. <3
DId you even play Undertaker Hunter back in the day? FWA on turn 2 was perhaps one of the only things that broke my win streaks on ladder if I didn't get a god hand of double undertaker & double leper gnome right away to buff it out of range of the ax.
With Boom all it took was one 3 mana BGH to swing tempo immediately in your favor (durp tech cards are hard I know).
If Mal'Ganis is as godly as you are attempting to claim then pray tell, why are there still a whole plethora of decks still being used on wild ladder? Yep, Mal'Ganis was such a problem that it clearly has monopolized the wild meta, kappa.
If you're even implying that any of the cards I mentioned weren't overpowered/bad for the game at one point, you're not even worth having this conversation with, sorry.
If you're not capable of being unbiased towards deck you play/like, you don't get to have a say on whether they need to be nerfed.
Yeah. I also don't understand why everyone thought the following were overpowered cards:
-Dr boom: you could just twisting nether his ass, or equality consec him, not to mention bgh or fireball + ping(even costs one less mana!)
-Undertaker: if played on turn one, was vulnerable to frostbolt, darkbomb, fiery war axe, and many others
-Knife Juggler: LOLZ IT WAS A 2 MANA 3/2, IT DIED TO BACKSTAB, ARCANE SHOT, ARCANE PLAST AND OTHER VARIOUS ONE MANA CARDS BLIZZ PLS REBUFF
Now that you may be starting to realize why you don't know a thing about how this game works, I suggest you do us all a favour and retire from this forum.
dr.boom was only good years ago, no one has ever said anything about how strong he is in the past years
same as undertaker, it lost his appearance after the nerf
Good thing polymorph, hex, and devolve aren't cards that can deal with Mal'Ganis and make it so he can't come back via Gul'Dan. Also, it is good that Twisting Nether, Brawl, and Equality combos also are not a thing that would be able to deal with demon Gul'Dan boards that are buffed by a rezzed Mal'Ganis.
Good thing polymorph, hex, and devolve aren't cards that can deal with Mal'Ganis and make it so he can't come back via Gul'Dan. Also, it is good that Twisting Nether, Brawl, and Equality combos also are not a thing that would be able to deal with demon Gul'Dan boards that are buffed by a rezzed Mal'Ganis.
Yep, no counters at all, must nerf.
Yeah. I also don't understand why everyone thought the following were overpowered cards:
-Dr boom: you could just twisting nether his ass, or equality consec him, not to mention bgh or fireball + ping(even costs one less mana!)
-Undertaker: if played on turn one, was vulnerable to frostbolt, darkbomb, fiery war axe, and many others
-Knife Juggler: LOLZ IT WAS A 2 MANA 3/2, IT DIED TO BACKSTAB, ARCANE SHOT, ARCANE PLAST AND OTHER VARIOUS ONE MANA CARDS BLIZZ PLS REBUFF
Now that you may be starting to realize why you don't know a thing about how this game works, I suggest you do us all a favour and retire from this forum.
Using Twisting Nether of Big Game Hunter on Dr. Boom did not work because of the Boom Bots (the source of his power) which had incredibly powerful Deathrattles. Also, Dr. Boom is not even strong enough for the game at the moment. Undertaker did not allow other decks to thrive and forced everyone to either play an Undertaker deck or play a deck designed to counter it. It did not allow other decks to thrive. Mal'Ganis does not do that. Also, it would be great if you could be a tad bit nicer.
Good thing polymorph, hex, and devolve aren't cards that can deal with Mal'Ganis and make it so he can't come back via Gul'Dan. Also, it is good that Twisting Nether, Brawl, and Equality combos also are not a thing that would be able to deal with demon Gul'Dan boards that are buffed by a rezzed Mal'Ganis.
Good thing polymorph, hex, and devolve aren't cards that can deal with Mal'Ganis and make it so he can't come back via Gul'Dan. Also, it is good that Twisting Nether, Brawl, and Equality combos also are not a thing that would be able to deal with demon Gul'Dan boards that are buffed by a rezzed Mal'Ganis.
Yep, no counters at all, must nerf.
Yeah. I also don't understand why everyone thought the following were overpowered cards:
-Dr boom: you could just twisting nether his ass, or equality consec him, not to mention bgh or fireball + ping(even costs one less mana!)
-Undertaker: if played on turn one, was vulnerable to frostbolt, darkbomb, fiery war axe, and many others
-Knife Juggler: LOLZ IT WAS A 2 MANA 3/2, IT DIED TO BACKSTAB, ARCANE SHOT, ARCANE PLAST AND OTHER VARIOUS ONE MANA CARDS BLIZZ PLS REBUFF
Now that you may be starting to realize why you don't know a thing about how this game works, I suggest you do us all a favour and retire from this forum.
Nice try, but no. <3
DId you even play Undertaker Hunter back in the day? FWA on turn 2 was perhaps one of the only things that broke my win streaks on ladder if I didn't get a god hand of double undertaker & double leper gnome right away to buff it out of range of the ax.
With Boom all it took was one 3 mana BGH to swing tempo immediately in your favor (durp tech cards are hard I know).
If Mal'Ganis is as godly as you are attempting to claim then pray tell, why are there still a whole plethora of decks still being used on wild ladder? Yep, Mal'Ganis was such a problem that it clearly has monopolized the wild meta, kappa.
If you're even implying that any of the cards I mentioned weren't overpowered/bad for the game at one point, you're not even worth having this conversation with, sorry.
If you're not capable of being unbiased towards deck you play/like, you don't get to have a say on whether they need to be nerfed.
Perhaps you should read my post again. Did I ever directly say that any of those cards weren't strong? Nope. What I was unafraid of pointing out was that all of the above cards had counters that could stop the above cards in their tracks. In the specific case of Undertaker for example, which I actually played very often, could be stopped by control warrior if they mulliganed into ax and if I was not able to spam enough 1 mana deathrattles to bump Undertaker up to 4 health (out of range of one swing of FWA). That specific match-up also really depended on who went first.
While Boom was very powerful back in the day (it sucks now) it still was very effective to play a non nerfed BGH. You can even pull up old tournament and/or ladder matches from various streamers' Youtube highlights of this very counter play happening. I never mentioned using Twisting on Boom, as that would be a horribly inefficient way to deal with the card back in the day since it is the epitome of anti-tempo and you completely soak the boombots' damage 100% of the time. Mentioning Twisting Nether was in response to a Gul'Dan board that also happened to summon Mal'Ganis to that same board.
"If you're not capable of being unbiased towards deck you play/like, you don't get to have a say on whether they need to be nerfed."
^ Considering you are now arguing over the now meaningless power level of Dr. Boom, Undertaker, and Knife Juggler, instead of Mal'Ganis (which this thread is actually about) I am not sure you know exactly which card you are arguing to have nerf, but I'll end with this last comment.
Assuming that you are saying that I am biased towards decks that use Mal'Ganis I actually don't currently use him in any deck currently, although I did craft him a while ago to use in a Dreadlock deck prior to the Dreadsteed nerf. I have brought up MULTIPLE common answers that either midrange or control decks have access to in order to either destroy Mal'Ganis by himself, transform him so he is not able to be resummoned by Gul'Dan, or wipe a Gul'Dan board that has resummoned Mal'Ganis. Meanwhile, you have offered no solid position about how Mal'Ganis is objectively oppressive and very hard to answer in such a way that it needs a nerf.
They nerfed Patches the Pirate and Raza the Chained which are about to retire, which means that they are trying to balance wild. However, they forgot to nerf the most imbalanced turtle in wild
Mal'Ganis
Feel free to defend your point
Mal'Ganis is not that great. There are a great many other cards that need to be nerfed before him. Also, he's not all that strong. There are certainly stronger Warlock cards.
You spelled Voidcaller wrong.
A card sees play for the first time after several years?
ERMERGRED CAN'T BE BOTHERED TO L2P! NERF IT, CARDS IS CLEARLY BROKEN, THAT IS WHY IT IS SEEING PLAY IN ONE DECK AFTER ALL THESE YEARS HUEHUEHUEHUE!!!
Amazing logic. Are you going to complain about the next card that you lose to as well?
I didn't explain how strong it is because I thought everyone would agree that it is a powerful card
It has ridiculous synergy with Voidlord and Krul the Unshackled
It can be pulled out easily in the early game via Voidcaller, Skull of the Man'ari, or that 5/2/2 guy. While it is indeed not that hard to remove it, the main problem is the fact that it can be summoned back with 6 other demons by Bloodreaver Gul'dan and give 6 other demons +2/+2
With all the taunts, buffs, monstrous board, and an immune hero with lifesteal. This card is way too powerful
And this is clearly not a card that finally gets to see play for the first time after several years, you would know that if you play wild. All other wild players know that it had always been in wild with Dreadsteed until it got nerfed, and it didn't disappear after Dreadsteed got nerfed because Bloodreaver Gul'dan came out the same set and gave it even more appearance.
He's definitely good, but not great, and surely not oppressive or broken. He's quite a ways down the potential nerf list
Mal Ganis is fine - Lacky and Skull are the problems. Mal Ganis was never a problem, when only Voidcaller existed.
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Yes. The problem is the 9 mana demon, not the ways of cheating out 9 mana cards for 4/5 mana.
Good thing polymorph, hex, and devolve aren't cards that can deal with Mal'Ganis and make it so he can't come back via Gul'Dan. Also, it is good that Twisting Nether, Brawl, and Equality combos also are not a thing that would be able to deal with demon Gul'Dan boards that are buffed by a rezzed Mal'Ganis.
Yep, no counters at all, must nerf.
Mal'ganis is one of the few high cost cards that actually provide adequate value for their cost and are worth running. god bless 'em. I think more cards should have as high of a power level as him, frankly, especially since we're seeing so many broken 1 (Mana Wyrm springs to mind) and 2 drops that nothing that costs 4 or 5 times more compares to.
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