Theres already been specialist tournaments that have basically been governed by the warrior mirrors. Why blizzard printed this card when they also made tournaments one class only is insane. The competitive scene is going to be so boring to watch this year.
She is maybe the fairest deck expanding control card ever printed. Sure, control mirrors can be determined by her, but there is skill involved in picking the right discovers and timing her right.
Did anyone mention she is a dead, useless card in every matchup but control mirrors? Pretty strong drawback if you ask me, and a nerf would remove an interresting card (imo) from the game completely.
Well nobody is saying the card is too good, they are saying it gets too annoying when bounced and replayed over and over. To that end I agree. Furthermore Elysiana's RNG is the absolute worst and most disappointing way for a ctrl vs ctrl game victor to be decided.
Guys, you can't just nerf her mana cost. Because if you do, only Shaman will be able to play "several" Elysiannas through Shudderwock's battlecry.
If you only nerf the mana cost, Control Warrior gets replaced by Control Shaman and nothing changes.
except Control Shaman isn't nearly as powerful as Warrior when it comes to beating aggro and even then, Shaman would at least work as a counter to Warrior (not to mention warriors can run Hecklebot to pull out Shudder/Elysiana
What aggro decks exactly ? Because the only aggro decks I'm facing are Rogue and Hunter. Rogue matchup is alright, surely not as good as with Warrior but it's not a bad matchup at all. On the other hand, Warrior gets destroyed by Hunter, while Shaman destroys Hunter. So imagine, 75% of my game are against either Control Warrior, Rogue or Hunter. 75%. In this meta, would you play Warrior, win against rogue but lose horribly to shaman and hunter ; or play shaman, win against warriors and hunter and have a 50/50 against rogues ?
Also, good luck with that Hecklebot tech. I've tried it (from the shaman side) early this exp to try and pull Elysianna as it seemed like the only way to win the matchup, but it never does, and is pretty bad against a lot of other decks. I have 21 minions in my Shaman deck so yeah, I'm ok with having an "only" 95% winrate against Warriors :D
Mirror Control matches are always long and kinda boring. But if you dont have Eylsiana the games would still be long and boring but the matches would be decided by who plays boom hero first and gets the most value of it.
What's the problem? OP reads like, "Elysianna is a problem because I personally don't like long games."
Long games is a thing, 50 card long games is another
FINALLY Simeone with an IQ in more than a single digit, i love Long games,hell sometimes i make trades instead of going face to set up a 2 turn lethal Just because i want to see the game go longer,
But After you drew 30 cards (or 1-3 more max of You played elise and similar catds) fatigue Needs to be a thing in order to stop the game from being too Long for its own good
It honestly baffles me how many people don't understand that anything brought to the Extreme Is bad (no matter how good It was)
I haven't seen her played in weeks. If you want to complain about random card generation, there are plenty of other cards that do just that, Elysianna does not stand out in that regard, other than she is a super late game card. Does it matter if you are killed through her or some randomly generated pyroblast? I don't think so. These mechanics are just part of the game.
Guys, you can't just nerf her mana cost. Because if you do, only Shaman will be able to play "several" Elysiannas through Shudderwock's battlecry.
If you only nerf the mana cost, Control Warrior gets replaced by Control Shaman and nothing changes.
Doubt that Shaman would be as powerful. Hagatha is value thats true, but many shaman spells are crap or situational. Or they overload you a lot so you cant really play them, often you get your hand filled with stuff.. And Shudderwock Elysianna would be random, so it can turn out bad. Dr Boom imo is just way better.
That is why i enjoy my Control Mage so much now instead. Just keep dropping 20/20 worth of stats of stats every turn with my 4 copies of Conjurers Calling that i got from a Mana Cyclone hand fill. Nothing quite as satisfying as hitting face for 10 damage then turning that 3/3 into 2x 7/7 a few turns in a row.
Guys, you can't just nerf her mana cost. Because if you do, only Shaman will be able to play "several" Elysiannas through Shudderwock's battlecry.
If you only nerf the mana cost, Control Warrior gets replaced by Control Shaman and nothing changes.
Doubt that Shaman would be as powerful. Hagatha is value thats true, but many shaman spells are crap or situational. Or they overload you a lot so you cant really play them, often you get your hand filled with stuff.. And Shudderwock Elysianna would be random, so it can turn out bad. Dr Boom imo is just way better.
Yes, Hagatha is not as powerful as Dr. Boom but if you make Shaman the only class that can "escape" fatigue by nerfing the mana cost, then Shaman will become the only control class.
It doesn't matter if Shudderwock gives 10 random cards, the fact that it helps you escape fatigue for 10 more turns is huge.
I haven't seen her played in weeks. If you want to complain about random card generation, there are plenty of other cards that do just that, Elysianna does not stand out in that regard, other than she is a super late game card. Does it matter if you are killed through her or some randomly generated pyroblast? I don't think so. These mechanics are just part of the game.
Then you are either low rank, which is filled with Zoolock and Rogues, or you play wild.
Seriously? Control warrior is both one of the most boring decks to play AND to play against, the only thing that keeps it at bay atm is elysianna with the mirror being so annoying. Take Elysianna out and you will get the worst meta ever by a huge margin.
Theres already been specialist tournaments that have basically been governed by the warrior mirrors. Why blizzard printed this card when they also made tournaments one class only is insane. The competitive scene is going to be so boring to watch this year.
Well nobody is saying the card is too good, they are saying it gets too annoying when bounced and replayed over and over. To that end I agree. Furthermore Elysiana's RNG is the absolute worst and most disappointing way for a ctrl vs ctrl game victor to be decided.
What aggro decks exactly ? Because the only aggro decks I'm facing are Rogue and Hunter. Rogue matchup is alright, surely not as good as with Warrior but it's not a bad matchup at all. On the other hand, Warrior gets destroyed by Hunter, while Shaman destroys Hunter. So imagine, 75% of my game are against either Control Warrior, Rogue or Hunter. 75%. In this meta, would you play Warrior, win against rogue but lose horribly to shaman and hunter ; or play shaman, win against warriors and hunter and have a 50/50 against rogues ?
Also, good luck with that Hecklebot tech. I've tried it (from the shaman side) early this exp to try and pull Elysianna as it seemed like the only way to win the matchup, but it never does, and is pretty bad against a lot of other decks. I have 21 minions in my Shaman deck so yeah, I'm ok with having an "only" 95% winrate against Warriors :D
nerf to 9/10 mana and add only 1 copy instead of 2 to the deck.
Still powerfull, fatigue still relevant.
Ho, and remove mech tag from Omega Devastator, change maybe something about rogue and, just for me, remove twinspell from Conjurer's Calling.
I dont think Elysiana is a problem at all.
Mirror Control matches are always long and kinda boring. But if you dont have Eylsiana the games would still be long and boring but the matches would be decided by who plays boom hero first and gets the most value of it.
LOL COMPLAINING ABOUT ELYSIANA
FINALLY Simeone with an IQ in more than a single digit, i love Long games,hell sometimes i make trades instead of going face to set up a 2 turn lethal Just because i want to see the game go longer,
But After you drew 30 cards (or 1-3 more max of You played elise and similar catds) fatigue Needs to be a thing in order to stop the game from being too Long for its own good
It honestly baffles me how many people don't understand that anything brought to the Extreme Is bad (no matter how good It was)
Long game nowadays have often nothing to do with skill or whatever that made them interesting. Its all about card generation RNG = pure bullshit.
I haven't seen her played in weeks. If you want to complain about random card generation, there are plenty of other cards that do just that, Elysianna does not stand out in that regard, other than she is a super late game card. Does it matter if you are killed through her or some randomly generated pyroblast? I don't think so. These mechanics are just part of the game.
Doubt that Shaman would be as powerful. Hagatha is value thats true, but many shaman spells are crap or situational. Or they overload you a lot so you cant really play them, often you get your hand filled with stuff.. And Shudderwock Elysianna would be random, so it can turn out bad. Dr Boom imo is just way better.
That is why i enjoy my Control Mage so much now instead. Just keep dropping 20/20 worth of stats of stats every turn with my 4 copies of Conjurers Calling that i got from a Mana Cyclone hand fill. Nothing quite as satisfying as hitting face for 10 damage then turning that 3/3 into 2x 7/7 a few turns in a row.
Yes, Hagatha is not as powerful as Dr. Boom but if you make Shaman the only class that can "escape" fatigue by nerfing the mana cost, then Shaman will become the only control class.
It doesn't matter if Shudderwock gives 10 random cards, the fact that it helps you escape fatigue for 10 more turns is huge.
NERF ALL CARDS IN THE WHOLE GAME, THEY'RE THE PROBLEM. NERF, NERF, NERF!
Det är bättre med en fågel i hand, än tiger i träd!
Then you are either low rank, which is filled with Zoolock and Rogues, or you play wild.
Playing against control warrior is so boring and the games are so lengthy. Makes me want to pull my eyes out
The problem is people dont like long games anymore.
Seriously? Control warrior is both one of the most boring decks to play AND to play against, the only thing that keeps it at bay atm is elysianna with the mirror being so annoying. Take Elysianna out and you will get the worst meta ever by a huge margin.
I usually autoconcede mirrors by any class (if it is a build mirror).
I really like ur solution! You should make it more famous and visable to other HS players, keep it up !
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