He won't show up in aggro as a general rule (neither did Boom) however.
Actually even some aggro ran Boom if I remember correctly, definitely mech mage and mech shaman:)
That's true but he wasn't in face hunter or zoo lock. I expect that Arthas may make an appearnce in a few aggro decks. It's not uncommon for some decks to run some taunt to hide their weenies behind. That being said Arthas is 1 more mana, which is a pretty big deal when we are talking about aggro and their curve. But a good number of those card are just damn good for aggro. The removal is good for pesky taunts, the +2/+2 looks like it was custom made for aggro, 3 damage to the opponents board. Even the weapon is good at just providing more face damage, especially if you're top decking. Despite that I think he may be just a tad too expensive. So I don't think he'll be as prolific as Dr. Boom for that reason. Though I think he will be considered auto include in a vast majority of decks.
Edit: That is if aggro doesn't just run over everyone.
Do you mean you rate him as playable and not meta defining or he is meta defning but he still isn't as good as people think. Personally I think the latter. I think he is meta defining but not some god card people think him to be.
I really want this card to be good... I reaaaaally do. But it's not so fantastic: don't get me wrong an Ironbark which gives you some value card is quite a good card, but as it was pointed out this is a 8/8 body and not a 4/12, and that comes with its set of disadvantages... It is overall much easier to remove (either by trading or hard removal) and you can't even hide it behind a taunt. Point being - while he does bring huge amounts of potential value, the Lich King isn't as sticky as Ysera; now naturally, one Death Knight card can be a game changer, but it also can be one of the lesser choices available; 8 cards makes LK more unreliable than versatile...
Kind of a whimsicle card, and I do not know if it will be seeing some much play as a consequence, aside from the eventual wallet control deck which can afford many big expendable minions. I still struggle to imagine the impact some of these DK cards may have on the board.
It seems like this is much more suited for midrange than control as Army of the Dead and Anti-Magic Shell do more for midrange than control deck. Doom Pact is really bad, but the other choices are decent. Looking forward to playing this.
I really want this card to be good... I reaaaaally do. But it's not so fantastic: don't get me wrong an Ironbark which gives you some value card is quite a good card, but as it was pointed out this is a 8/8 body and not a 4/12, and that comes with its set of disadvantages... It is overall much easier to remove (either by trading or hard removal) and you can't even hide it behind a taunt. Point being - while he does bring huge amounts of potential value, the Lich King isn't as sticky as Ysera; now naturally, one Death Knight card can be a game changer, but it also can be one of the lesser choices available; 8 cards makes LK more unreliable than versatile...
Kind of a whimsicle card, and I do not know if it will be seeing some much play as a consequence, aside from the eventual wallet control deck which can afford many big expendable minions. I still struggle to imagine the impact some of these DK cards may have on the board.
Oh man I couldn't disagree more. Also you are thinking of him like Ysera. He is only marginally like ysera. You plop him down to protect your face and to get at least one good swingy card, he is meant to be a stall mechanic. ysera is meant to be a value mechanic. She is in a worse mana spot and doesn't actually do anything the turn you play her to keep you alive which actually makes her far more difficult to play. Not that she is worse, not by a long shot. Just that the board states at which you can play them are different. Lich King is more robust in that playing him on an empty board and forcing them to have removal is just as good as placing him into harms way, Ysera you have to play into a board state where you are pretty certain you won't die or loose the board too much. Meanwhile she is harder to remove than Arthas. He isn't worse, not at all, he's cheaper and protects your face and will generally give you a card that is pretty swingy and will hopefully help you take the board state back after they take a turn to kill him.
this card can do so many things and is such a solid 8 drop that I think it might be the next Dr. Boom, you want to create a deck, any deck, you start with this card
Seems a bit overhyped? Yeah high value card-> in most cases it will eat a hard removal + gives you a valuable card which is great but yeah.. still doesn't win the game by itself, still isn't auto include everywhere. In my eyes this is really an alternative ysera.. In a midrange heavy meta this card is way better than ysera in a controll heavy meta I would prefer ysera. I would rate this card as playable instead of meta defining since it is meta depending, not defining.
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CW has the ability to play both Lichking and Ysera in turn 8 and 9 , aka Wallet Oldschool warrior styles. And turn 10 Nzoth will be fun. Btw with this card i think the Black knight will make a comeback. With taunt warrior,taunt druid, control paladin, shaman, nzoth pries, i think he will be quite busy.
Do you mean you rate him as playable and not meta defining or he is meta defning but he still isn't as good as people think. Personally I think the latter. I think he is meta defining but not some god card people think him to be.
I think he is good, but not as good as people think. I rated it as playable. Its a slightly worse ysera that costs less than ysera herself.
Death knight cards are slightly worse than dream cards and there is the possibility of a "dead draw" between the DK cards (you cant "dead draw" on dream cards), also the stats distribution is far worse, but then its an 8-mana card which makes it a lot more playable than ysera because she costs 9 mana. Overall its playable, but only a few decks will want it and those decks have other "finishers" to choose from so they don't necessarily need to run this card (I'd rather play the class DK Hero Cards on most classes as the value is guaranteed)
Edit: Another thing to note is that for some reason people end up always thinking grindy "clunky" control decks will be the next thing on the meta and it usually never is, I cant help but think everyone is overlooking the big aggro tools added this expansion yet again.
Thinking about a way I'd want to play The Lich King, I came up with the likelihood of wanting to play him together with YShaarj and Barnes, so maybe this is a cool place to start(If Fighting too much aggro, swap Glimeroot for Tar creeper):
i thought it was death knight heros - then i looked at the cards. went from very good to playable. its on the same level as a ysera. 8 mana is nicer than 9 but yseras cards are all decent... some of these can mess up your deck strategy. if frostmorurne was a death rattle on top of him adding thee effect at end of turn, that would be nice.
Ironbark Protector power creep.
although I should mention that it might be better off without taunt, since you can protect it from minions that way.
I really want this card to be good... I reaaaaally do. But it's not so fantastic: don't get me wrong an Ironbark which gives you some value card is quite a good card, but as it was pointed out this is a 8/8 body and not a 4/12, and that comes with its set of disadvantages... It is overall much easier to remove (either by trading or hard removal) and you can't even hide it behind a taunt. Point being - while he does bring huge amounts of potential value, the Lich King isn't as sticky as Ysera; now naturally, one Death Knight card can be a game changer, but it also can be one of the lesser choices available; 8 cards makes LK more unreliable than versatile...
Kind of a whimsicle card, and I do not know if it will be seeing some much play as a consequence, aside from the eventual wallet control deck which can afford many big expendable minions. I still struggle to imagine the impact some of these DK cards may have on the board.
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It seems like this is much more suited for midrange than control as Army of the Dead and Anti-Magic Shell do more for midrange than control deck. Doom Pact is really bad, but the other choices are decent. Looking forward to playing this.
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this card can do so many things and is such a solid 8 drop that I think it might be the next Dr. Boom, you want to create a deck, any deck, you start with this card
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This card is pure gold! If we dont get it at the start, its my first to craft
Seems a bit overhyped? Yeah high value card-> in most cases it will eat a hard removal + gives you a valuable card which is great but yeah.. still doesn't win the game by itself, still isn't auto include everywhere. In my eyes this is really an alternative ysera.. In a midrange heavy meta this card is way better than ysera in a controll heavy meta I would prefer ysera. I would rate this card as playable instead of meta defining since it is meta depending, not defining.
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Amazing card! This will be played everywhere just like Dr.Boom was
CW has the ability to play both Lichking and Ysera in turn 8 and 9 , aka Wallet Oldschool warrior styles. And turn 10 Nzoth will be fun. Btw with this card i think the Black knight will make a comeback. With taunt warrior,taunt druid, control paladin, shaman, nzoth pries, i think he will be quite busy.
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Everyone knows that the card it's powerful, the problem is that every control deck will play this card, its the new rag. I don't like when it happens.
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too much random. He's worse than rag and ysera
i thought it was death knight heros - then i looked at the cards. went from very good to playable. its on the same level as a ysera. 8 mana is nicer than 9 but yseras cards are all decent... some of these can mess up your deck strategy. if frostmorurne was a death rattle on top of him adding thee effect at end of turn, that would be nice.