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"New ROUGE card" ... Come on now, I expect better from a mod.

With that being said, that card is actually pretty good. Not amazing, but pretty good. My main problem are the bad stats. One more HP and it would have been better.

I think people are being a bit ambitious when describing combos. What they fail to realize is that this card is excellent with SI:7, Edwin, great battle cry cards. Sylvanas, Brann, the list goes on forever. People will find ways to abuse this card.

Priests are angry.

Mill rogue buff. As if dealing with 8 Coldlight Oracles wasn't  cringe inducing enough, how about 10, and 2 of them at 1/3 the mana cost. 

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This with C'Thun! PogChamp

 + Shadowstep :D If you have C'thun already on the board it's a one turn combo: This on C'thun, shadowstep, repeat, play two c'thuns at once :)

 HOW can there be so many people in this thread and none of them seem to understand how C'Thun (or this card for that matter) will work?

It's a 1/1 copy. That's it. So you get a 1/1 Battlecry deal 1 damage. There isn't some invisible buff that will stack in the background for your C'Thun copies. The C'Thun cards apply the buff ONTO the card (hence the "where ever" language on all of them).

At least none of these cards are getting dust voted. :P

People keep talking about using this on Maly or C'Thun but how realistic is that in a live game?

It's basically 6 mana for a 5/5, so to get value you must combo/battlecry the 1/1.  SI:7, Edwin, and Xaril would all satisfy this requirement.

At worst, this is a variant of shadowstep. Which is a pretty good card.

Also, this synergizes with Brannn, and allows two aura effects, unlike Shadowstep. But costs more now, 1 later (shadowstep costs 0 now, minion cost -2 later).

Yes, combos with this card are clunkier than with Shadowstep

But it "seals the package". Raptor for Deathrattles, Shadowstep for charge / battlecry. This for deathrattles / aura. 

turn 10 malygos conceal, next turn brann bronze beard then shadowcaster malygos lay them all down prep eviscerate for 19 Kreygasm 

So... Two Shadowcasters and Shadowstep make infinite 1/1 Shadowcasters. Sounds fun! :)

Okay so this card, whilst it seems cool and like it may it some potential, there are just better options for rogue which enable it to reuse an effect or get a minion to stick on the board, like shadow step or conceal 

So, you have Brann out, and this card already out. You use your second version on this version, and then you just keep spamming that card to get a ton of 1/1 little guys like this?

C'mon, guys, the combo is obvious.

Brann - Shadowcast Brann - Shadowstep SC.  End turn.

1/1 Brann - Shadowcaster - Shadowcast SC - 1/1 Shadowcast SC.  End turn.

Do whatever the fuck you want with a 1/1 Brann and 3 1/1 Shadowcasters.

Under 5 mana minions on rogues are pretty good targets. Rogues rarely include vanilla minions. Most of their minions have abilities that affect the board or give additional resources(draw/coin). This is essentially 6 mana4/4 plus a utility 1/1 Bcry, Deathrattle, other minion abilites and combo enabler. Targetting Malygos is a a stretch. You drop Maly to burst for lethal or burst him low enough to kill him next turn. Dropping Maly and copying it next turn is pretty much a greedy and bad play.

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 It does help you replicate battlecries and deathrattles.  At the cost of having to play a 4/4 for 5.  The effect is powerful.  The body it is stuck on just makes it much more awkward to use.  

And yes, in hearthstone, minions don't tend to stick around for long.  That isn't this meta.  That is the game.  With direct minion attacks being a game mechanic, you are much better off when you dictate how minions trade.  In every metagame since hearthstone has released, minions have not tended to stick on board unless you are ahead.

The consequences of getting shadowcaster off on most targets aren't even "dire".  Most cards that would be devastating to get shadowcaster off on are pretty devastating by themselves.  You don't need to shadowcaster emperor or malygos, for instance, they do their jobs pretty well on their own.

I don't think the card will necessarily be bad.  It could fit somewhere.  But that hardly makes it meta-defining.  If you want to see a potentially meta-defining card from this set, look at thing from below.  

 I wasn't talking about emperor or malygos. You won't get a shadowcaster off them. You don't need to. If that's what you call "extensively analyzing the meta...". I'm talking about pretty much any minion with battlecry,deathrattle or static effect with mana cost ranging from 1 to 4. I don't know how you play heartstone, but do you build your deck plan under the assumption that all your minions die when they hit the board? What is it that you play exactly?

What does it have anything to do with "thing from below"? It's a shaman card. It can't be meta defining for rogue.

One of the most disgusting synergies you can have with this card which I'm surprised not many other people have mentioned is Dark Iron Skulker. Of course getting a 1/1 Azure Drake or mostly any combo/battlecry minion like Antique Healbot or Edwin VanCleef will also be really good.

I'm curious how this works with Anub'arak. When the mini-Anub'arak goes back to your hand will it go back as a 1/1 or an 8/4?

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One of the most disgusting synergies you can have with this card which I'm surprised not many other people have mentioned is Dark Iron Skulker. Of course getting a 1/1 Azure Drake or mostly any combo/battlecry minion like Antique Healbot or Edwin VanCleef will also be really good.

I'm curious how this works with Anub'arak. When the mini-Anub'arak goes back to your hand will it go back as a 1/1 or an 8/4?

 

 In order to even consider playing shadowcaster, the copy it gives you has to be better than a card you can put in your deck.  And none of the cards you listed seem strong enough to be worth holding for a turn 10 combo.  Shadowcaster might fit in a deck where you put in a lot of the good targets naturally.  But I don't expect it to be the defining part of that deck.  More likely a solid flex choice.

Shadowcaster does not cast Shadowform 0/10 worst card