I see a lot of people talking about how this card is going to be amazing because you can use it on cards like maly gadg and so on .... The problem guys, is that they're dead before we play this card on them. It's a cool card, I like it, it has a lot of potential but it's strictly worse then maly conceal... Because without conceal maly just dies to removal, making her battlecry a none factor.
Not good with cards like Gadgetzan, Malygos, Emperor because if you have those out for more than a turn you won anyway. Now this is best and pretty good with early to mid range deathrattle/battlecry minions. example SI 7 and Azure Drake
To do that with malygos will be nice, but the real value is doing it to thaurissan, because for one mana your spells become 1 mana short it is just a pure value (+the 1 mana short of the original emperor) and it has really good potential
I have to point out here... thaurrisan is 6 mana. Shadowcaster is 5. 6+5=11. So unless you save the coin to play them as a combo on turn 10, you are relying on emperor thaurrisan staying on the board. How often have you played emperor and had it live to your next turn? Because it certainly doesn't happen for me very often.
Problem is it doesn't pass the stats test. Stats are poor for cost and unless you copy something of amazing value the 1 mana 1/1 is also very bad stats. The text on said minion will have to be insane to make up for the tempo loss. Certainly a build around epic. Will it see play, who knows? Weak bodies traditionally don't see play unless their effect is extremely good. Not convinced.
Hi, my name is Azure Drake, and I am a staple in every Rogue deck ever made, and I have 4/4 stats too.
Not to mention if you copy a Drake you basically get a thalanos with battle cry!
Great oil/maly/miracle rogue card. I still don't see the ancient one working even with this. If you are waiting until tun 10 to get a win condition, it better be an otk that can't be hard removed with hex (which will be a huge part of a dominant mid-range shaman in standard). Still, will make for some good highlight reels on the off chance you pull it off.
first of all, i must say (HA) i was right, it is not a spell, it's a minion, now, about the card.
Interensting, not bad at all, but since i am a pessimist i need to point some things out.
it's not good to be played alone in a empty board, so it is a lot situational.
and depends on the order you draw the cards to be effective.
due to its cost, the big minions you would like to clone (like ragnaros for example, but not necessarely the best) will have to live for at least one enemy turn, wich they rarely do.
Still, i am ansious to try it, and since they want to make rogue a deathrattle class i want to try it with like a twilight summoner.
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need take time to make new pic and signature using the new cards.
Interesting card, can be used in a mill deck for example to get cheap 1x version of Coldlight Oracle kind of like a mini Gang Up. Likely will see some play in the future at least in certain decks in standard(Deathrattle Rogue?). Probably a weakish arena card though unless you draft some good battlecry minions.
This + Malygos = next turn lethal (usually) Malyrogue comeback?
How do you plan to play this and malygos? Malygos is 9 mana. So you need malygos to stick for a turn first. Against some classes, malygos sticks for a turn relatively often. But when you play malygos rogue, starting your turn with malygos on board should just give you lethal. No need for the copy.
This card is maybe the most powerful card yet released. I mean, Rogue is already excellent in terms of tempo, and this value is awesome. Obviously extremely powerful with Empereur Thaurissan & co. The most amazing thing about it is that it's likely that it is going to be a staple in every Rogue decks: Oil Rogue, Malyrogue, deathrattle rogue and maybe even Mill Rogue (hello extra heal/oracle!)
all talking about c'thun...guys you need 1 attack ping ????????
Works with cultists. Say you have +6/+6 on your Cthuns. The token will be a 7/7 deal 7 damage for 1 mana.
Pretty sure that's not the way it's gonna work, unless you played your cultists after having copied C'Thun. Which would be kinda dumb in the first place.
This card is interesting, but certainly not metagame defining. And definitely not in every rogue deck.
1. You need a minion on board to make it not a crappy 4/4 for 5. Which means you need to have board control (something rogue has certainly never been able to rely on), or, more likely, you need to play it on the same turn as the minion you want to copy. Which makes it rather slow.
2. It is directly comparable to azure drake. They both provide card advantage. The difference is, azure drake works whenever you play it, and gives you spell power, which makes the body much more threatening.
For this card to work, you need a very specific deck. I certainly like the design, but most people here seem to be vastly overestimating its power.
Dude. This card will be metadefining. You just have to consider what's gonna leave standart and what's gonna stay. It's not a stretch... the sheer amount of powerfull cards this one synergises with... you'd have to be blind not to see the meta shifting under the influence of shadowcaster. I'm no expert but in this case, you don't have to be.
Please... will people stop spelling standard with a 't' at the end. It doesn't make any sense.
And what powerful synergies? What card costs 5 or less mana that is game ending to have a 1/1 copy of? There are lots of things it is good with, sure. But you have to draw both cards. A 5 mana 4/4 that draws you a 1/1 is bad, a 5 mana 4/4 is awful.
And let's consider cards leaving standard. We lose antique healbot, a great target. We lose nerubian egg, a great target. And have we seen anything to suggest that minions are going to be better at staying on the board in standard? Nope, quite the opposite. The only board clear spell leaving is lightbomb. Meanwhile, we're losing all of the sticky minions from naxx.
I've analysed standard extensively, and I do not see how this card is going to possibly be metagame defining. But if you want to provide some more specific examples of where you think it will be powerful, feel free.
Let`s see if a rogue will survive to be able to effectively use this.
This card enables a lot of crazy stuff.. Really Looking forward testing it out
I see a lot of people talking about how this card is going to be amazing because you can use it on cards like maly gadg and so on .... The problem guys, is that they're dead before we play this card on them. It's a cool card, I like it, it has a lot of potential but it's strictly worse then maly conceal... Because without conceal maly just dies to removal, making her battlecry a none factor.
Dirty combo card for Rogue, I'm scared... hold me please :(
Ragnaros the Firelord + Shadowcaster = Big PEW!
I like Bunnies! (:3
Not good with cards like Gadgetzan, Malygos, Emperor because if you have those out for more than a turn you won anyway. Now this is best and pretty good with early to mid range deathrattle/battlecry minions. example SI 7 and Azure Drake
Turn 9 - Emperor Thaurassan
Turn 10 - Brann, Shadowcaster on Brann, Shadowcaster on Shadowcaster, coin, 1/1 Shadowcaster on Shadowcaster
2 Branns, 4 1-mana Shadowcasters in hand...laugh and pass turn
Die in the most glorious manner.
Great oil/maly/miracle rogue card. I still don't see the ancient one working even with this. If you are waiting until tun 10 to get a win condition, it better be an otk that can't be hard removed with hex (which will be a huge part of a dominant mid-range shaman in standard). Still, will make for some good highlight reels on the off chance you pull it off.
first of all, i must say (HA) i was right, it is not a spell, it's a minion, now, about the card.
Interensting, not bad at all, but since i am a pessimist i need to point some things out.
Still, i am ansious to try it, and since they want to make rogue a deathrattle class i want to try it with like a twilight summoner.
need take time to make new pic and signature using the new cards.
Interesting card, can be used in a mill deck for example to get cheap 1x version of Coldlight Oracle kind of like a mini Gang Up. Likely will see some play in the future at least in certain decks in standard(Deathrattle Rogue?). Probably a weakish arena card though unless you draft some good battlecry minions.
This + Malygos = next turn lethal (usually)
Malyrogue comeback?
1 mana Wisp
no one will mention that the art of this card is amazing?
Kreygasm
This card is maybe the most powerful card yet released.
I mean, Rogue is already excellent in terms of tempo, and this value is awesome.
Obviously extremely powerful with Empereur Thaurissan & co.
The most amazing thing about it is that it's likely that it is going to be a staple in every Rogue decks: Oil Rogue, Malyrogue, deathrattle rogue and maybe even Mill Rogue (hello extra heal/oracle!)
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