Can please someone explain to me why the deck is getting downvoted so much ?
I mean it's not like it breaks the game or anything but it's a really good deck that I thought to share with you guys .
People like to deem every deck they lose to or don't play as cancer decks that need to be cursed upon whenever they see it.
Jade is a horribly designed mechanic, and jade druid is the worst offender. It completely screws over any control deck and is not remotely difficult to play. Not to mention how terribly unfun it is to play against, if you just happened to queue the wrong deck.
Sincerely,
Someone who hit legend with jade druid two seasons ago (without having to use a single braincell)
Can please someone explain to me why the deck is getting downvoted so much ?
I mean it's not like it breaks the game or anything but it's a really good deck that I thought to share with you guys .
People like to deem every deck they lose to or don't play as cancer decks that need to be cursed upon whenever they see it.
Jade is a horribly designed mechanic, and jade druid is the worst offender. It completely screws over any control deck and is not remotely difficult to play. Not to mention how terribly unfun it is to play against, if you just happened to queue the wrong deck.
Sincerely,
Someone who hit legend with jade druid two seasons ago (without having to use a single braincell)
You need to use as many braincells for jade druid as in any other deck.
Jade Decks need to LEARN how to play without using Jade Idol, it's possible, you can still get big jades when played right (around 9/9-10/10)
Drop Jade Idol
Drop Earthen Scales
Cut 1x Ultimate Infestation and add some solid value minions.
By this logic, why would anyone cut Jade Idol? This is a shining example of a fallacy argument.
If your argument is that Jade Druid players need to learn to play without Idol, then why would the Jade player drop Idol for some random dorks when Idol is strictly better outside of a corner case scenario that they should be capable of playing around?
Rhetorical questions by the way - your "Casual hearthstone player" in your signature has told what your answers are for my question(s).
I'm guessing you're one of said Jade players that has no idea how to play without it? your passive aggressive response seemed pretty hastily typed out, raging at the new 6 drop? maybe you should try it, you'd be surprised at how viable it is.. just because you can't slap auctioneer and no skill your way to victory anymore, doesn't mean its not viable.
As for facing other Jade Druids, you'd come out on top. Tech a Skulking Geist if you find yourself facing them often, your deck is strictly better than theirs then as its been built differently and you aren't dependent on Jade Idol.
As for the "Casual" comment, don't mistake being a casual with lack of knowledge, it simply means I don't play as often as the average HS player.
I was being blunt, not hasty or passive aggressive - I was being straight aggressive.
I play Conquest format more than I play ladder, which means I play everything. But that is not the point, the point is that you are making a fallacy argument and when being called out on it, you are turning to ad hominem.
You say that they need to learn how to play without Idol because of SG, when really if that is the core of your argument then they should be able to play through a SG hitting their Idols. There is no reason for them to gimp themselves against a fringe tech card that is pretty bad outside of the corner case scenario.
Also, because I do sometimes play my Jade Idol deck, I feel the need to point out that Jade Idol is not there to create bigger and bigger dudes, it is there to let you play aggressively into sweeps against Control until they are exhausted and you can instantly refill your board with Auctioneer. Value dorks will never offer your the value of "inevitability" - and that is why Jade Idol is strictly better and players DO need to learn to play without it, but DO NOT need to handicap themselves by just removing it for lesser value. Cards like Earthen Scales I can get behind swapping for other value cards, but your Jade Idol argument is laughable.
uhmm the deck is being downvotd because it's basically the ungoro netdeck list with just ultimate infestation added, it's not like you created the deck...you basically just netdecked it and are claiming autorship......
uhmm the deck is being downvotd because it's basically the ungoro netdeck list with just ultimate infestation added, it's not like you created the deck...you basically just netdecked it and are claiming autorship......
it is being down voted because it did not make Legend with the new expansion, the guy posted a pic from before release.
Jade Decks need to LEARN how to play without using Jade Idol, it's possible, you can still get big jades when played right (around 9/9-10/10)
Drop Jade Idol
Drop Earthen Scales
Cut 1x Ultimate Infestation and add some solid value minions.
That's not the way it works at all. Jade Idol and Earthen Scales are still crucial.
If your opponent has included an expensive tech card such as Geist in his deck that is almost exclusively for this matchup (in Standard) & may - or may not - come in time, then it doesn't hurt you particularly. The immortality in fatigue is over, but you have other ways of creating big jades, and the "jade train" will already be on its way - not to mention that other big cards are now included, like the Lich King. If Geist was cheaper and a bit broader in what it counters, then things might have been a bit different.
If your opponent hasn't - which so far happens in the majority of cases (I haven't seen a single one myself, personally or in any stream), then nothing changes.
As for whether Jade Druid is now insane with the new cards, I am afraid it is. Thijs was saying a while ago that if the situation continues, then he sees himself always banning it in tournaments. Pity, because I loved the deck when it first came out, but now it seems like a contender that is way too strong. It's very early of course to say what will happen, but the community will have to make a more coordinated response to it than simply Geists, which seem a bit inadequate to stop it.
(Ironically, an answer to it seems to be the BIG Druid, but that's a "wallet" deck that fewer people than usual will have access to).
@Tn1_Seven: I see what you mean - you may have a point, but for now I think I will stick to what I wrote earlier... The single most OP (in the true sense of the word) deck that I've seen today is Jade Druid, and Geists haven't been able to stop it. Strifecro posted on Twitter a variation that combines most of the tweaks I've seen so far. Zalae simply removed the Gadgetzans for the two Infestations and climbed easily - but bringing them back would deal with the "acceleration-towards-fatigue" problem that would exist if Geists started appearing everywhere.
The whole point - I think - is that the deck starts to appear versatile and tweakable (and it didn't, in the previous metas). As for rage-quitting, I think it's just a point of lack of patience to deal with the problem. I don't think it's a hopeless situation.
You got an upvote from me. I am not a Jade Druid player, but I think, everyone should always do the best, to play the decks, which give them the best winrates. This is all a Ladder mode is about. Anyone who has a problem with "try hards" should shut the f.. up and stay away from Ranked.
So don't listen to all this whiny Timmys out there. Stay a Spike! :)
Blizzard should make a special stream lessons or youtube videos in which they explain the the only way hs should be played is with supa dupa 1000 IQ control/combo homebrewed decks and 30 minutes long match is a minimum time period that proves you're not braindead blah blah something etc.
No... R100 legendary puts you in the top 100 of all players on that server.
Please don't spew crap. I faced this deck and if the druids ramps Ultimate infestation it's pretty much gg.
I lost to a T6 UI in a pure ramp deck. Not even jade. The card is ridiculous and I can't see any druid decks (except beast) not playing it.
yep . that's why I even run a mire keeper in my last few games . just to get to that opness asap . Ultimate Infestation is only bad right after you casted the first one cause you end up burning cards .
(a) It's not yet seen to be a control meta. We are barely two days into it. The situation solidifies about two weeks after the first meta reports, which come a month after release.
(b) Even if it is - and yes, there are signs of it slowing down - Jade Druid is the extreme opposite of an "amazing deck in a control meta". In the previous metas it wasn't much of a problem, because it had strengths and weaknesses. Now, with the new cards (Infestation, Lich King, Spreading Plague), some of the old ones for the rare emergencies (like Yogg) and the lack of PROPER techs (Geists are in most cases very slow), it seems to have almost no weaknesses at all. And the worst thing is that unless you get a very good blessing from RNG, it eradicates any control decks as well - which according to you, is supposed to be "amazing". Is it?
As a Mage player a hate Jade druid players from deep of my hearth. Before expansion they have shitload of armor, but after expansion, and specially, Ultimate Infestation release, they have 2 shitloads of armors :( How am I supposed to burn through all of these. Now, when I see jade druid on ladder, I automatically concede, there's no way to win.
Just a crazy idea. Since you are playing Aya as your only deathrattle, you could also include Tomb Lurker as it will give you Aya back as soon as you put it out after she has died.
As a Mage player a hate Jade druid players from deep of my hearth. Before expansion they have shitload of armor, but after expansion, and specially, Ultimate Infestation release, they have 2 shitloads of armors :( How am I supposed to burn through all of these. Now, when I see jade druid on ladder, I automatically concede, there's no way to win.
Mage doesn't get to talk. You throwing spells at people's face while hiding behind ice blocks and frost nova's is just as uninteractive
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All those downvotes are precious pieces of salt from inadequate haters.
PLS tag the guy in this thread who was hatin whole community and threatening to craft golden skulking geist after the launch
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I play Conquest format more than I play ladder, which means I play everything. But that is not the point, the point is that you are making a fallacy argument and when being called out on it, you are turning to ad hominem.
You say that they need to learn how to play without Idol because of SG, when really if that is the core of your argument then they should be able to play through a SG hitting their Idols. There is no reason for them to gimp themselves against a fringe tech card that is pretty bad outside of the corner case scenario.
Also, because I do sometimes play my Jade Idol deck, I feel the need to point out that Jade Idol is not there to create bigger and bigger dudes, it is there to let you play aggressively into sweeps against Control until they are exhausted and you can instantly refill your board with Auctioneer. Value dorks will never offer your the value of "inevitability" - and that is why Jade Idol is strictly better and players DO need to learn to play without it, but DO NOT need to handicap themselves by just removing it for lesser value. Cards like Earthen Scales I can get behind swapping for other value cards, but your Jade Idol argument is laughable.
uhmm the deck is being downvotd because it's basically the ungoro netdeck list with just ultimate infestation added, it's not like you created the deck...you basically just netdecked it and are claiming autorship......
@Tn1_Seven: I see what you mean - you may have a point, but for now I think I will stick to what I wrote earlier... The single most OP (in the true sense of the word) deck that I've seen today is Jade Druid, and Geists haven't been able to stop it. Strifecro posted on Twitter a variation that combines most of the tweaks I've seen so far. Zalae simply removed the Gadgetzans for the two Infestations and climbed easily - but bringing them back would deal with the "acceleration-towards-fatigue" problem that would exist if Geists started appearing everywhere.
The whole point - I think - is that the deck starts to appear versatile and tweakable (and it didn't, in the previous metas). As for rage-quitting, I think it's just a point of lack of patience to deal with the problem. I don't think it's a hopeless situation.
@robert_fanr:
You got an upvote from me. I am not a Jade Druid player, but I think, everyone should always do the best, to play the decks, which give them the best winrates. This is all a Ladder mode is about. Anyone who has a problem with "try hards" should shut the f.. up and stay away from Ranked.
So don't listen to all this whiny Timmys out there. Stay a Spike! :)
No... R100 legendary puts you in the top 100 of all players on that server.
Please don't spew crap. I faced this deck and if the druids ramps Ultimate infestation it's pretty much gg.
I lost to a T6 UI in a pure ramp deck. Not even jade. The card is ridiculous and I can't see any druid decks (except beast) not playing it.
this deck is amazing in the control meta we have
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Meh. Better than the pirate meta. At least with Ultimate infestation in the game, folks will finally quit bitching about auctioneer.
Skulking Geist is coming to get you!
As a Mage player a hate Jade druid players from deep of my hearth. Before expansion they have shitload of armor, but after expansion, and specially, Ultimate Infestation release, they have 2 shitloads of armors :( How am I supposed to burn through all of these. Now, when I see jade druid on ladder, I automatically concede, there's no way to win.
Just a crazy idea. Since you are playing Aya as your only deathrattle, you could also include Tomb Lurker as it will give you Aya back as soon as you put it out after she has died.
As I said before the release of the Jade, this is beyond broken and should've never exist in the first place.
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