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Funny; what happened to all the fanbois saying the game, and thus all classes, is perfectly balanced in all respects?
Did someone here finally do some profound mathematical analysis? Guess not :D Happy dreaming!

Who the fucks said that?
Im sure whoever it was he wasn't playing shaman since pre-GVG.

There's always going to be top and bottom classes ,but shaman being on the bottom for 8 months now should give Blizzard a wake up call about the class.
Sadly I don't think TGT it's going to do much.

 Shaman got a lot of support from this expansion, but it wont be enough to make it "god tier."  There are still some very real issues that Shaman continues to face.  I do think mistcaller will be better than a lot of current shaman players think.  It just needs some extra support.  

Its going to see some play just because it has a chance to impact the game so much. 

It will be on about the same tier as Mage and Paladin in Arena, I think. With BRM, Shaman got that extra boost (Fireguard Destroyer) to become one of the better Arena classes (3rd/4th best class maybe?). With Totem Golem and Tuskarr Totemic arriving in TGT, they will become even stronger overall!

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Patron isn't getting nerfed yet so it'll continue to destroy Shaman and Paladin for the next month despite TGT.

Elemental destruction kills all patrons? Once they combo, they generally can't again for a while. Also, when they combo, they wipe your board so you can just elemental destruction.

It's a one turn kill, you don't get to interact with Patron Warrior.

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Patron isn't getting nerfed yet so it'll continue to destroy Shaman and Paladin for the next month despite TGT.

Elemental destruction kills all patrons? Once they combo, they generally can't again for a while. Also, when they combo, they wipe your board so you can just elemental destruction.

It's a one turn kill, you don't get to interact with Patron Warrior.

They rarely ever have the full combo. It requires double whirlwind and most of the pieces discounted.

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Patron isn't getting nerfed yet so it'll continue to destroy Shaman and Paladin for the next month despite TGT.

Elemental destruction kills all patrons? Once they combo, they generally can't again for a while. Also, when they combo, they wipe your board so you can just elemental destruction.

It's a one turn kill, you don't get to interact with Patron Warrior.

They rarely ever have the full combo. It requires double whirlwind and most of the pieces discounted.

Which is why they run so much card-draw.

 If Grim Patron is still going hard after TGT, it'll get nerfed.

I dream of a 3/4 Frothing Berserker, to make him incompatible with Warsong Commander.

My bad !

Lets round that up to 4 attack, with all the necessary mana cost augmentation, shall we ? x)

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Patron isn't getting nerfed yet so it'll continue to destroy Shaman and Paladin for the next month despite TGT.

Elemental destruction kills all patrons? Once they combo, they generally can't again for a while. Also, when they combo, they wipe your board so you can just elemental destruction.

It's a one turn kill, you don't get to interact with Patron Warrior.

They rarely ever have the full combo. It requires double whirlwind and most of the pieces discounted.

Almost every game against Patron Warrior ends in this OTK Combo. I dont know what you are experiencing, but i certainly get killed by it a lot. And yes i try to pressure earlie on to bait and yes i try to play arround it by having 3+ attack minions on board and lastly yes, i have tech cards against them like Harrison. Still not enough.

I am saying that OTK ancestral call shaman can get their combo off before patron. The frothing combo takes a lot more time to setup than the patron combo. That's why the matchup is fine.

In addition, shaman has hex and earth-shock to deny acolyte draws, which is where most of it comes from.

Anyway, I didn't watch any of lifecoach's review but apparently he agrees shaman will be top tier too.

I'm looking forward to re-trying Deep control sham with all of the board clears, all of the heals, Doomsayers and Dragons! :D 

I tried something like that last month, it was fun at lower ranks. Less fun after 5 consecutive losses.

It seems good for Shaman, but it's too early to tell. We need to wait a bit after TGT comes out and see how META shifts.

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 If Grim Patron is still going hard after TGT, it'll get nerfed.

I dream of a 3/4 Frothing Berserker, to make him incompatible with Warsong Commander.

He'd still get charge, I think you mean a 4/3 Frothing Berserker