I came back from a 2 month break, i think i grasp very well the current meta and i understand each deck and matchups except one, thats miracle rogue. I have played against a lot of rogues and i havent lost except the times where he had a turn 3 12/12 vancleef , i played abit myself and i dont understand how i am supposed to win , the old miracle with leeroy made sense , you aimed for a two turn otk kill , the new miracle make zero sense , you dont have decent removal and you dont have enough threats either , a midrange/rush will smorc you easily and a control will deal with your threats VERY easily, you lose your giants and gg there is nothing else you can do, whats the purpose of this deck i wonder, there is probably something i dont understand.
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Rogue has far better decks than miracle right now. Aggro rogue is good. Tempo rogue is good. Even mill rogue performs well if piloted correctly. Haven't seen hardly any miracle rogues
It's Tier 2 right now as far as strength. Just not well represented on the ladder. I don't know about these claims of aggro or tempo rogue decks. I've only seen miracle rogues
It is probably not the best deck right now but I played it in august and took it to rank 13 (didn't really play much because of lack of time). I think now the strategy is to stall until you use new rogue dk card, than you can use up to 4 0 mana giants (in 2 turns) with shadow reflection and if you take your opponenent to 12 and he doesn't have taunt you finish with double leeroy (with shadow reflection). There are still early winning turns with one cliff. I also have 1 questing adventurer sometimes it helps. Also I use the unkillable flower legendary thingy to annoy opponents.
His list is debatable (I think Medivh is terribad), but what works in it is the DK and double Vanish. The popular decks of the meta (Jade Druid, Highlander Priest, Aggro Druid, Paladin, etc) just get out-tempo’d extremely hard by Vanish, Sap, and multiple Giants of 4 mana and lower. MrYagut and Savjz are also running the DK and 2x Vanish, and even the TempoStorm miracle list has them (although I think their Hearthstone page has been terrible lately).
I played both, the Keleseth Rogue earlier in the season. Kept auto-losing to Spreading Plague, and above rank 3 it was like 2/3 decks were Jade Druid. With Miracle, I had a positive WR against all Druid and made Legend.
I can vouch for this. Valeera maricle can beat priest and druid very consistently, the other variety can get shit on by most ladder decks even with a perfect curve. Any board clear just messes them up and it's gg.
I'm enjoying maricle otk priest myself. Probably the only 1 turn otk deck in standard but instant loses to exodus any druid who gets above 40hp. And there's too many of both to be consistent. You can draw the deck pretty consistently in under 10turns. Usually otk by turn 11-12.
It's Tier 2 right now as far as strength. Just not well represented on the ladder. I don't know about these claims of aggro or tempo rogue decks. I've only seen miracle rogues
As someone who has been playing Miracle Rogue the past few seasons, I'll describe what my game plan is against the current meta decks.
Jade Druid: Last season and this season I've been playing with x2 Vanish, as it helps vs. fat jades and spreading plague. I win by stalling his smaller minions in the early game, drawing a fuckton with auctioneer in mid/lategame, dropping valeera and then playing by value, which means dropping 4 giants, 2 van cleefs and fat questings if you play with those.
Exodia Mage: Coin flip. Either he has his combo before you manage to kill him, or he hasn't. Either you draw well enough to keep building a board to go face with, or you don't. Easy as that.
Highlander Priest: Play around his cards, such as potion of madness (drawing from thalnos) and dragonfire, anduin (building fat boards with double giants, van cleefs and questings). Never over-commit into a fat van cleef as they run both SW:D and silence. You should try to win as soon as you can after he drops his DK, or he will beat you down with his hero power. Do that by doing the same thing that you do vs. Jade Druid. Try milling him with Vanish.
Murloc Pala: Concede.
Aggro Druid and Pirate Warrior: Tech in anti-aggro cards, such as SI:7 and Valanar. Try to predict your opponents next turn and use your removals accordingly.
Token Shaman: Remove every single one of their minions no matter what. This goes for every deck you're playing. Otherwise, they will evolve the fuck out of them. Play around Devolve by not over-committing into van cleef and questing.
Other than that, playing Miracle Rogue requires skill. Know when to commit your spells into auctioneers, or van cleef, or questings, or giants etc. Use your dagger wisely. Don't waste spells, but don't drop down to too little health either.
I am playing with DK 2x vanish version from time to time. I think highlander priest counters every win condition of that deck. The thing is that this deck is so rare sometimes people don't know what the heck you run and might do missplays. You are better against Druids.
While it is obviously not the best deck right now it still can provide some wins and fun. Some moments are unforgettable. Like today. Enemy druid's turn 5 living mana innervate something of the wild +1/1 buff. My turn 6 vanish. He starts his turn 6 with one mana, plays 1 mana elemental. I play giant. He starts turn 7 with 2 mana plays one of his living mana I play questing and sap the living mana. He starts turn 8 with 3 mana...My next turn ends it.
I came back from a 2 month break, i think i grasp very well the current meta and i understand each deck and matchups except one, thats miracle rogue. I have played against a lot of rogues and i havent lost except the times where he had a turn 3 12/12 vancleef , i played abit myself and i dont understand how i am supposed to win , the old miracle with leeroy made sense , you aimed for a two turn otk kill , the new miracle make zero sense , you dont have decent removal and you dont have enough threats either , a midrange/rush will smorc you easily and a control will deal with your threats VERY easily, you lose your giants and gg there is nothing else you can do, whats the purpose of this deck i wonder, there is probably something i dont understand.
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And that's why miracle is in tier 4 or 5....
Rogue has far better decks than miracle right now. Aggro rogue is good. Tempo rogue is good. Even mill rogue performs well if piloted correctly. Haven't seen hardly any miracle rogues
"A two turn OTK kill." A two turn one turn kill kill. What?
It is probably not the best deck right now but I played it in august and took it to rank 13 (didn't really play much because of lack of time). I think now the strategy is to stall until you use new rogue dk card, than you can use up to 4 0 mana giants (in 2 turns) with shadow reflection and if you take your opponenent to 12 and he doesn't have taunt you finish with double leeroy (with shadow reflection). There are still early winning turns with one cliff. I also have 1 questing adventurer sometimes it helps. Also I use the unkillable flower legendary thingy to annoy opponents.
Maybe take a look at this video of Kibler’s for a glimpse at how Miracle is being played right now - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tg0mbN8g3-Y
His list is debatable (I think Medivh is terribad), but what works in it is the DK and double Vanish. The popular decks of the meta (Jade Druid, Highlander Priest, Aggro Druid, Paladin, etc) just get out-tempo’d extremely hard by Vanish, Sap, and multiple Giants of 4 mana and lower. MrYagut and Savjz are also running the DK and 2x Vanish, and even the TempoStorm miracle list has them (although I think their Hearthstone page has been terrible lately).
TL;DR – Make sure you’re running the right list.
http://www.hearthstonetopdecks.com/decks/savjzs-vanishing-giant-miracle-rogue-september-2017-season-42/
http://www.hearthstonetopdecks.com/decks/mryaguts-frozen-throne-vanish-valeera-miracle-rogue-top-30-legend-august-2017/
https://tempostorm.com/hearthstone/decks/miracle-rogue-standard-meta-snapshot-sep-3-2017
you dont win...
The way you win with miracle is mostly this :
Play whatever to get to gadeget .
Draw Valera play Valera
Vanish Giant Giant
Repeat .
Win .
I think the Kelemental Rogue is much better. I took it to rank 5 last season
Quit complaining and just have fun with this game!
I played both, the Keleseth Rogue earlier in the season. Kept auto-losing to Spreading Plague, and above rank 3 it was like 2/3 decks were Jade Druid. With Miracle, I had a positive WR against all Druid and made Legend.
I can vouch for this. Valeera maricle can beat priest and druid very consistently, the other variety can get shit on by most ladder decks even with a perfect curve. Any board clear just messes them up and it's gg.
I'm enjoying maricle otk priest myself. Probably the only 1 turn otk deck in standard but instant loses to exodus any druid who gets above 40hp. And there's too many of both to be consistent. You can draw the deck pretty consistently in under 10turns. Usually otk by turn 11-12.
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The problem is that all the other decks got stronger but miracle rogue is just still miracle rogue.
in the whole frozen throne set only one card sees some play, the DK. The rest is so shitty that you can't use them.
While it is obviously not the best deck right now it still can provide some wins and fun. Some moments are unforgettable. Like today. Enemy druid's turn 5 living mana innervate something of the wild +1/1 buff. My turn 6 vanish. He starts his turn 6 with one mana, plays 1 mana elemental. I play giant. He starts turn 7 with 2 mana plays one of his living mana I play questing and sap the living mana. He starts turn 8 with 3 mana...My next turn ends it.
Mill is the way to go! Here's my Mill Rogue deck!
Lemme just topdeck that real quick.
Allow me to explain.
Basically you play spells and removal in the early game like Eviscerate, Vanish, and Hallucination. Cycle with Gadgetzan Auctioneer, then when you get your Arcane Giant to 5 mana or less you play Valeera the Hollow, and start huge explosive turns with Arcane Giant, Questing Adventurer and Edwin VanCleef and try to create a Jade Druid like board that your opponent can not answer using Valeera the Hollow passive Hero Power.
Note that Miracle Rogue has always been a very High Skill deck.