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Quote from Wawro86 >>

The important thing is, whether you can effort to have dupes in your deck or not and how much it affects your chance to trigger the effect as the whole deck is build around this card.

I took drawing Reno into consideration. Common sense tells that you have 50% chance to draw Reno, and half of the time you cannot use him because either pair has a 25% chance to fail you. So 25%+ is proper.

I did a rough calculation, if you have 2 pairs of cards, there is only a 27% chance to trigger Reno combo with 15 cards undrawn, halving the value of Reno. You need to draw 4 more cards to get the 50% probability again.

Or you can think of it in another way: if you have 1 pair of cards, then Reno's battlecry becomes a 2-card combo. If you have 2 pairs, then it's a 3-pieces combo. 

Quote from brilliant_gnome >>

 

Highlander decks will work, but I wonder if reno won't do well for cycle decks as well. Cycle rogue for example, might become a thing. You set it up and you can cycle your deck by 9/10 and perhaps gang up reno. There will be a skill requirement (read: pen&paper) for those though, but that's cool.

 

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Quote from uiasdnmb >>

I was actually wondering if there's mathematical function that can be fit to calculate the chance of Reno healing.
Variables would be:
[30] - constant deck size
[0-14] - number of duplicates (Reno can't be duplicated so you cant have 15 dupes)
[1-30] - number of cards drawn so far

I think Multivariate hypergeometric distribution portrays that correctly right?

 Precisely, it is just some basic combinatorics, although the mulligans are a huge factor, that right know I can't be bothered to calculate (if it is even possible), I only know that the less duplicates you have in the deck, the bigger role they play. I am PRETTY sure that with the mulligans as a factor, you can safely run 2-3 (even 4) dupes. Right now I am running CW with double Axe, Bite, Slam, Execute, Armorsmith (which would be the first to go) and so far Reno is still working. I have no idea why is all the fuss about "unreliabilty" with a small number of duplicates.

Anyway, only time and, more importantly, mathematics will tell. :)

 You're welcome!
https://www.reddit.com/r/hearthstone/comments/3sh8n2/math_graph_how_many_dupes_can_you_use_with_reno/

Quote from Raidlos >>

Just wondering: can Beneath the Grounds counter Reno or are the ambushes not considered as cards?

Quote from arrumph >> 

The first thing I thought of was control paladin, an archetype that tends to run a crazy number of one-ofs to begin with. I threw this together quickly, but I think it actually looks semi-viable:

Highlander Healadin Unknown Deck by arrumph - Nov 10, 2015 View Deck String Export to BBCode Export to Cockatrice Export to MarkDown Export to Html Clone this deck
Minion (23) 1x Brann Bronzebeard 1x Dr. Boom 1x Justicar Trueheart 1x Reno Jackson 1x Sylvanas Windrunner 1x Tirion Fordring 1x Ysera 1x Big Game Hunter 1x Quartermaster 1x Aldor Peacekeeper 1x Defender of Argus 1x Stampeding Kodo 1x Tuskarr Jouster 1x Cult Master 1x Antique Healbot 1x Bloodsail Raider 1x Earthen Ring Farseer 1x Flame Juggler 1x Ironbeak Owl 1x Keeper of Uldaman 1x Murloc Knight 1x Shielded Minibot 1x Zombie Chow	Ability (5) 1x Enter the Coliseum 1x Equality 1x Muster for Battle 1x Consecration 1x Solemn Vigil	Weapon (2) 1x Coghammer 1x Truesilver Champion
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I'm obsessed with the conception of Reno decks. The idea behind is simple, you put Reno Jackson and 29 single cards into your deck. So you can trigger Reno's battlecry unconditionally. Let me do some naive calculations. In aggro matchups, you averagely have a chance to draw 12 cards before your opponent kills you. So if you mulligan for Reno, then there's about 50% chance you can drop Reno in time. And if you drop Reno in time, then it's almost a guaranteed win versus aggro, because aggro decks are not equipped the tool to deal with the additional 20+ health. Let's assume your deck have a 30% chance against aggro without Reno, then you get 65% chance overall. 

The upside of Reno deck is that, you get inherent advantage over aggro. Even if you build a deck that can hardly win over aggro without Reno, they are not unfavored matchups. So you can build greedy decks with other matchups in mind. But there're downsides, that you can't have 2 copies of the most OP cards, and your deck will have less synergy. Since if you run 2 copies of 2 cards, then there is 4 times the chance that you can trigger the 2-card combo if you only run 1 copy of them. 

Then comes the question: can Reno decks afford to run 2 copies of any card? I don't think so. For every 2 copies of a card included, there's a 25% chance that both of them will sit in the bottom half of the deck, hindering your Reno from saving you. And if you run a normal deck with so many 2-ofs, then on average you can play Reno when there's about 6 cards undrawn, not much point unless you use it in fatigue to postpone your death by 2 or 3 turns.

The next question is that how much of a downside it is to put 30 single cards into the deck. Considering the strength of single cards alone, you can't run 2 Shredders and 2 Scientists, but there're substitutes like Mech-Yeti, Senjin, Kirin'Tor or Wild Pyromancer, many cards that are decent themselves but just not the 1st picks. Although they're weaker, they themselves seldom lose you the game. And Reno can help you to regain lost tempo, so that's not that bad. As for the synergies, you cannot run 2 copies of Giants and Sunfury/Argus anymore, so no point to make a Reno-Handlock imo, a Reno deck cannot be built around strategies like this. Then probably a Reno deck should be built to emphasize single card strength. Probably as a control deck, try to stall into the late game and throw out late game threats to overwhelm your opponent.

I first tried to build a Reno Hunter. Because I've been playing a L&L Hunter this month, and the deck runs many single cards. So it felt easier for me to build a single-card Hunter. But in retrospect, this may not be a good deck, maybe not a good idea to hybrid Reno with L&L synergy. 

Then I tried a Reno Fatigue Priest. I like the deck better. I believe it will work and can only imagine Combo Druid and Control Paladin as its bad matchup. There are still a few cards that I want to include, but not sure which card to switch out, need to be tested.

I believe Mage also have potential for a successful Reno deck. Jaina has so many good tools. I'm just not good at Mage to make a deck. And Reno synergies with Weapon Classes, since you can get more value out of him. I really think a Reno Hunter can be viable, though not of my build. And possibly a Reno Paladin?

What do you think? Do you have any Reno deck in mind?