I think that they shouldn't have nerfed the deck as they did. Why make Warsong useless? Why don't make froathing a 2\3 so they wouldn't do op damage compared to 4 health?
Well , Blizzard made a fucking mistake right there.
Nerfs were needed but why warsong. Why ruin a cool deck so ' we can make other cool decks?'. That's still zero-sum and frankly I'm not seeing those cool cards you couldn't do with warsong.
I miss that moment were you mop up face hunter's board after he got too greedy smorcing. EVERYONE, GET IN HERE!
Dreadstead would've been a neutral card. THAT would've been cool.
In fact, you literally couldn't have a single good neutral minion that had 3 attack because warrior would abuse it with warsong.
And patron rocks aggro just as well as before. It's actually a bit more reliable since the new incarnation gives it a better curve and lets you defend better without using up whirlwinds. The only thing patron lost was it's anti-control burst.
Which makes it insane that it's not used given how everyone is screaming about aggro again and not seeing control.
It also taught Blizzard that charge is a very *VERY* dangerous mechanic and to be careful of it in the future, if they use it at all.
1) You still see Patron warriors pretty regularly, in fact i started playing it myself, when I couldn't bring myself to play before, it made me feel dirty.
2) You miss a broken deck that was good against everything? ...sigh
3) The deck was single handedly killing the tournament scene because it was so OP.
Agreed. It was the Frothing Berserker that was the problem, not the Warsong Commander. If they had just made such that minions that go over 3 attack no longer have charge, I think that would have been better.
Pros stopped playing it i ntournaments because it's no longer anti-control (well they don't because it's not obscenely OP) and tournaments are heavy on control decks. Ladder likes their FOTM and that's Secret paladin.
But current patron rocks aggro and fast decks. It's now a Tempo deck. Also rocks druid and paladin in general. It's still VERY viable.
At blizzcon and dreamkack sweden the winners even had Patron in their line-up, so even that is not entirely true ... still, new patron has another feeling to play I would say ...
I have never played Patron and I didn't like playing against it though I miss the kind of meta that Deck created.... If Patron was still a Tier 1 Deck I bet we wouldn't see as much aggro as we do now.....
Also when Patrons were a thing I could play Handlock and crush them and it was pretty fun :)
Ah back in the days when the most elitest, expensive class, warrior was open to everyone. To people of all walks of life. Now it is once again only for those with deep pockets, the new grim patron deck is a control warrior variant.
Patron warrior still exist but in a weaker way. I don't know it but maybe it is still a good deck to climb with. Nerfing decks always make people think the deck is dead and people stop playing it. That's a huge mistake.
Blizzard nerfed warsong because of the new cards, not because of the patron warrior, blizzard never wanted to nerf the archetype (at least they didn't told us that)
Yeah, they didn't nerf it directly before blizzcon tournaments so people dont see patron. Nah! It all was for the divine plane of blizzard! All hail new broken op shit fuck aggro cards! (Did you really think that a 3 attack minion could ever be anything other than aggro?)
Behold as finally there is no more card that prevents them from making stupid shit like
That wasn't exactly stopped due to warsong. That was stopped due to playtesting that was done when they finally decided how to put dreadsteed in. That it was broken during testing is..well.. why you do testing :P.
And patron used to be 3 mana.. before testing.
Btw, I'm seeing that phrase go around suddenly. Is this going to be another phrase wrongly interpreted in order to fight a war over?
I miss it to, but I was never a fan of the burst capacity of the deck.
Something I loved about the deck was, that there was a extremely big part of your winrate which was do to your skills.
But the most sattisfying part of the deck, was that there where almost 100% synergy amoung all the cards. Every minion worked together with the whirlwind effect and battlerage, and the new edtion of patron warrior just does not have that. All these midrange minions (sludge belcher, shredder ect.) just do not synergies with the patron at all.
The old patron was the closest thing we have had to a working "deal damage to your own minions" deck. I cannot understand why we only have gotten 1 enrage card in the last 5 expansion, but I would like to see patron in a enrage deck. I feel that the new patron just misses so many cards to get the same flavor as it had before ;P
It's literally a quote from Ben Brode. He said that they tested 2 dreadsteed (back then echoing ooze) and it was FINE except for it's interaction with warsong commander.
So yeah warsong is LITERALLY the reason why through playtesting we don't have this broken version.
Interesting. Basically turns him into a win condition over several turns. Rather crazy.
Meanwhile, I do need to subscribe with chanman for value town.
I miss Grim Patron too; but it was at the point where you'd only see it in Warrior Decks and it was fun because it was better than many other decks out there. I would love to see that card more viable for other classes as well too. It's certainly a fun and interesting concept similar to Dreadsteed
I don't know what you think, but I like a ladder full of many different, viable and almost equally good classes and decks instead of one with a superiorshock compared to all the others.
I still believe that the nerf of Warsong Commander could have been done way smarter. For example, the effect could have been altered in that way that charge is just given to minions up to 3 attack, so that the Frothing Berserker OTK wouldn't be possible.
I don't know what you think, but I like a ladder full of many different, viable and almost equally good classes and decks instead of one with a superiorshock compared to all the others.
I still believe that the nerf of Warsong Commander could have been done way smarter. For example, the effect could have been altered in that way that charge is just given to minions up to 3 attack, so that the Frothing Berserker OTK wouldn't be possible.
Well Brode already said why they completely nerfed it into the ground. Future design-space. Dreadsteed was first going to be neutral in Nax but because of warsong it never happened.
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I don't know what you think, but I like a ladder full of many different, viable and almost equally good classes and decks instead of one with a superiorshock compared to all the others.
I still believe that the nerf of Warsong Commander could have been done way smarter. For example, the effect could have been altered in that way that charge is just given to minions up to 3 attack, so that the Frothing Berserker OTK wouldn't be possible.
Well Brode already said why they completely nerfed it into the ground. Future design-space. Dreadsteed was first going to be neutral in Nax but because of warsong it never happened.
They can make her have battlecry:give the next charge minion you play +2/+2. Her current ability is practically useless unless you get unleash the hounds from spellslinger or something.
Would rather deal with Patrons than Face decks. At least the game lasts longer and has more interaction.
I think that they shouldn't have nerfed the deck as they did. Why make Warsong useless? Why don't make froathing a 2\3 so they wouldn't do op damage compared to 4 health?
Well , Blizzard made a fucking mistake right there.
One does not simply walk into Mordor,
unless they want to be the best they can be.
1) You still see Patron warriors pretty regularly, in fact i started playing it myself, when I couldn't bring myself to play before, it made me feel dirty.
2) You miss a broken deck that was good against everything? ...sigh
3) The deck was single handedly killing the tournament scene because it was so OP.
Agreed. It was the Frothing Berserker that was the problem, not the Warsong Commander. If they had just made such that minions that go over 3 attack no longer have charge, I think that would have been better.
I have never played Patron and I didn't like playing against it though I miss the kind of meta that Deck created.... If Patron was still a Tier 1 Deck I bet we wouldn't see as much aggro as we do now.....
Also when Patrons were a thing I could play Handlock and crush them and it was pretty fun :)
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i miss it also, more or less quit the game for last month
played new patron and it works and its ok, but not nearly cool as old one
funiest thing is that it was never THAT much popular on the ladder and its nerfed mostly couse of tournaments
Handlock and Oil Rogue, a couple of my favorite decks lost a lot of popularity after the nerf. I'd much rather play patron warrior than aggro shaman.
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Ah back in the days when the most elitest, expensive class, warrior was open to everyone. To people of all walks of life. Now it is once again only for those with deep pockets, the new grim patron deck is a control warrior variant.
One does not simply walk into Mordor,
unless they want to be the best they can be.
I miss it to, but I was never a fan of the burst capacity of the deck.
Something I loved about the deck was, that there was a extremely big part of your winrate which was do to your skills.
But the most sattisfying part of the deck, was that there where almost 100% synergy amoung all the cards. Every minion worked together with the whirlwind effect and battlerage, and the new edtion of patron warrior just does not have that. All these midrange minions (sludge belcher, shredder ect.) just do not synergies with the patron at all.
The old patron was the closest thing we have had to a working "deal damage to your own minions" deck. I cannot understand why we only have gotten 1 enrage card in the last 5 expansion, but I would like to see patron in a enrage deck. I feel that the new patron just misses so many cards to get the same flavor as it had before ;P
I don't.
One does not simply walk into Mordor,
unless they want to be the best they can be.
I kinda do.. Well mostly I miss using snipe in my deck and seeing my opponents insta-concede when the snipe killed the warsong..
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I miss Grim Patron too; but it was at the point where you'd only see it in Warrior Decks and it was fun because it was better than many other decks out there. I would love to see that card more viable for other classes as well too. It's certainly a fun and interesting concept similar to Dreadsteed
I don't know what you think, but I like a ladder full of many different, viable and almost equally good classes and decks instead of one with a superiorshock compared to all the others.
I still believe that the nerf of Warsong Commander could have been done way smarter. For example, the effect could have been altered in that way that charge is just given to minions up to 3 attack, so that the Frothing Berserker OTK wouldn't be possible.
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