You shouldn't look for accuracy. Meta games are way too complicated for that. The best hs players on the planet predict incorrectly all the time. Especially Mr. "The Caverns Below, one star!"
Tbh most people thought that card was sh@t at the time, so I wouldn't call anyone out for that…. I do think that card in particular was very difficult to predict correctly, and my opinion about that card was the same :/
There are other cards that were also predicted incorrectly for which you could call them out, but I certainly wouldn't do it for that card, since 95%+ of the community didn't expect much of that card before the release...
Cards like Spreading Plague, Ultimate Infestation, Bonemare, etc. were much more straightforward and I would say easier to predict…. tho for some (like spreading plague) most people still underestimated their powerlevel initially...
After doing my research I found out that the pink 'stuff' that appeared onto hearthstone cards must, in fact, have been coronavirus. It has through hearthstone spread across the globe and infected all computers. And because too few people played hearthstone with plastic gloves on they got infected through their computer. Thus coronavirus is Hearthstone's fault and I expect a total of 3 packs from each expansion to be given to all coronavirus victims.
Trump is my favorite because he tries to predict the meta, which is a lot harder than just rating cards on their powerlevel. Everyone can rate a card like that, and then when it's not played at all be like "yeah it's a good card but just didn't find a home".
Ofc sometimes he's wrong, like everyone. His rise of shadow review was pretty accurate though.
I like Trump, Kibler and Kripp - not because they are accurate or always get predictions right, but because they provide insight into areas I perhaps hadn't considered and interactions that might be interesting. Nobody ever accurately predicts upcoming expansion metas and that's ok - part of what makes an expansion exciting is coming up with a deck nobody's really managed to get working before and going crazy with it. It's a great feeling! :-)
I watch most of the streamers you all mentioned above when it comes to the prediction, but I dislike when some of them say "Why would you play this if you can just play this existing deck or that one we currently have?". Why wouldn't you experiment and have fun figuring out would that unusual deck work and does this weird card fit in?
I watch most of the streamers you all mentioned above when it comes to the prediction, but I dislike when some of them say "Why would you play this if you can just play this existing deck or that one we currently have?". Why wouldn't you experiment and have fun figuring out would that unusual deck work and does this weird card fit in?
They're not saying you shouldn't have fun and experiment with stuff, they're just trying to figure what the meta will look like. Of course you can play Controlock right now if you want, but how often do you see this on ladder ? I maybe ran into it a couple of times in 4 months but not more. And that's what they're trying to capture.
I believe part of why Trump is often so "wrong" is that his rating system is unnecessarily restrictive. As someone who also rates sets, I understand the difficulty of trying to figure out what your standard of review should be. I understand what he's aiming for, but I think it doesn't leave him with much wiggle room. That's actually sort of admirable.
I typically think Kibler is one of the best. The guy just knows how CCGs work, and what makes something good. He doesn't usually attach "ratings" which might turn some off.
I haven't watched Feno's yet, but I think he's a really great player. I can't wait to check it out. I watched Saiyin and Muzzy's RoS review, and I thought it was pretty solid - but their personalities aren't great for streams.
I am going to disagree with most people here but imo Trump is one of the top reviewers out there. Yes, he has made some big whoopsies in the past but on the whole, he gets things right more often than not. Few could have predicted just how broken Caverns Below would be before the set released. He really knows the game very well and if you go back and watch his re-reviews of past sets you can see that he nails most of the cards he rates. One thing that does limit him is that he tends to only look at existing archetypes and some theory crafts that are too general like taunt warrior or control priest. That said though, not one reviewer ever predicted a deck like cyclone mage so nearly everyone was wrong about some of those cards. It’s impossible to be 100% accurate with ratings but Trump does a good job and gets it right more often than not.
For the more casual player, Kripp is good as well.
Top players like Thijs for example are much more hit and miss with their ratings. It seems like they just make a video without much research before hand and this leads to them either being overly generous with their ratings or not exploring possible synergies enough.
So for me, Trump gets the number one spot ito reviewers. He does the research and understands the game very well. And most of the times he is actually right. But as always, rather wait a few weeks before you craft anything to see how things shape up. It’s easy to get carried away on launch day and craft all the flashy stuff but that seldom works out once the meta settles down. Be patient, and wait a bit before blowing all that valuable dust you saved up.
Dr Boom = bad card Troggzor = meta breaking
Trump has been wrong since release one and has never gotten better. His reviews should be watched with the ratings reversed 99% of the time.
I believe part of why Trump is often so "wrong" is that his rating system is unnecessarily restrictive. As someone who also rates sets, I understand the difficulty of trying to figure out what your standard of review should be. I understand what he's aiming for, but I think it doesn't leave him with much wiggle room. That's actually sort of admirable.
I typically think Kibler is one of the best. The guy just knows how CCGs work, and what makes something good. He doesn't usually attach "ratings" which might turn some off.
I haven't watched Feno's yet, but I think he's a really great player. I can't wait to check it out. I watched Saiyin and Muzzy's RoS review, and I thought it was pretty solid - but their personalities aren't great for streams.
Btw, it’s on his twitch channel ( FenoHS) .
And don’t miss fenos face expression when Orange talks about the Mummy at around 3:38:00 ^^
To be fair to trump, control warlock was not a competitive deck and only became competitive during KnC, which was also only because of mana cheating. So trump was 100% correct with 1 star defile for that one meta.
For me, people that are listening the card review are dumbs (I don't want to be offensive, but it is what I think). You have seen the cards, The cards are very simple, it is Hearthstone. We are not talking about mathematical analysis or other difficult topics. Why should you listen an opinion of a person? These are cards! You have your opinion about it.
I'd say Kibler and Kripp are the most accurate and balanced card reviewers because 1) they have a great understanding of all possible synergies before the release and 2) they play all different types of decks so they're not just building smorc decks. Compare this to other pro or wild players who seem to just think of the cards that will enhance their existing decks. Even RegisKillbin, who puts out great content, he usually just ends up playing meme decks that don't get him past rank 3.
I watch most of the streamers you all mentioned above when it comes to the prediction, but I dislike when some of them say "Why would you play this if you can just play this existing deck or that one we currently have?". Why wouldn't you experiment and have fun figuring out would that unusual deck work and does this weird card fit in?
They're not saying you shouldn't have fun and experiment with stuff, they're just trying to figure what the meta will look like. Of course you can play Controlock right now if you want, but how often do you see this on ladder ? I maybe ran into it a couple of times in 4 months but not more. And that's what they're trying to capture.
I didn't say that they said we shouldn't have fun and experiment. I simply meant that why aren't they willing to try something new, fresh, mostly weird and "risky", for example Malygos Druid, even though it is not a great deck at the moment because of the weak tools Druid has now, but it might be something this expansion. Instead, they are promoting existing decks we play for the last month or two that became meta today. I know it is difficult to figure the future meta, even a small part of it, but I think they prefer safe high-winrate decks. I'm not saying that is bad, just that I personally don't like that, that's all.
I am going to disagree with most people here but imo Trump is one of the top reviewers out there. Yes, he has made some big whoopsies in the past but on the whole, he gets things right more often than not. Few could have predicted just how broken Caverns Below would be before the set released. He really knows the game very well and if you go back and watch his re-reviews of past sets you can see that he nails most of the cards he rates. One thing that does limit him is that he tends to only look at existing archetypes and some theory crafts that are too general like taunt warrior or control priest. That said though, not one reviewer ever predicted a deck like cyclone mage so nearly everyone was wrong about some of those cards. It’s impossible to be 100% accurate with ratings but Trump does a good job and gets it right more often than not.
For the more casual player, Kripp is good as well.
Top players like Thijs for example are much more hit and miss with their ratings. It seems like they just make a video without much research before hand and this leads to them either being overly generous with their ratings or not exploring possible synergies enough.
So for me, Trump gets the number one spot ito reviewers. He does the research and understands the game very well. And most of the times he is actually right. But as always, rather wait a few weeks before you craft anything to see how things shape up. It’s easy to get carried away on launch day and craft all the flashy stuff but that seldom works out once the meta settles down. Be patient, and wait a bit before blowing all that valuable dust you saved up.
Dr Boom = bad card Troggzor = meta breaking
Trump has been wrong since release one and has never gotten better. His reviews should be watched with the ratings reversed 99% of the time.
You just described most streamer's reactions to those cards.
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Tbh most people thought that card was sh@t at the time, so I wouldn't call anyone out for that…. I do think that card in particular was very difficult to predict correctly, and my opinion about that card was the same :/
There are other cards that were also predicted incorrectly for which you could call them out, but I certainly wouldn't do it for that card, since 95%+ of the community didn't expect much of that card before the release...
Cards like Spreading Plague, Ultimate Infestation, Bonemare, etc. were much more straightforward and I would say easier to predict…. tho for some (like spreading plague) most people still underestimated their powerlevel initially...
https://www.hearthpwn.com/forums/hearthstone-general/card-discussion/190077-journey-to-ungoro-community-compendium-all-card - > the caverns below was the lowest rated quest initially with a whopping 40 score... I don't think that you should fault people for that
After doing my research I found out that the pink 'stuff' that appeared onto hearthstone cards must, in fact, have been coronavirus.
It has through hearthstone spread across the globe and infected all computers. And because too few people played hearthstone with plastic gloves on they got infected through their computer. Thus coronavirus is Hearthstone's fault and I expect a total of 3 packs from each expansion to be given to all coronavirus victims.
This is the only truth.
jk ofc.
Trump is my favorite because he tries to predict the meta, which is a lot harder than just rating cards on their powerlevel. Everyone can rate a card like that, and then when it's not played at all be like "yeah it's a good card but just didn't find a home".
Ofc sometimes he's wrong, like everyone. His rise of shadow review was pretty accurate though.
I like Trump, Kibler and Kripp - not because they are accurate or always get predictions right, but because they provide insight into areas I perhaps hadn't considered and interactions that might be interesting.
Nobody ever accurately predicts upcoming expansion metas and that's ok - part of what makes an expansion exciting is coming up with a deck nobody's really managed to get working before and going crazy with it. It's a great feeling! :-)
I watch most of the streamers you all mentioned above when it comes to the prediction, but I dislike when some of them say "Why would you play this if you can just play this existing deck or that one we currently have?". Why wouldn't you experiment and have fun figuring out would that unusual deck work and does this weird card fit in?
One of my favourite streamers, Dane made a set review for wild. I would highly recommend it for wild players.
They're not saying you shouldn't have fun and experiment with stuff, they're just trying to figure what the meta will look like. Of course you can play Controlock right now if you want, but how often do you see this on ladder ? I maybe ran into it a couple of times in 4 months but not more. And that's what they're trying to capture.
Check Feno’s VODs, he did a card review today with a bunch of top pros: Hunterace, Muzzy, JustSaiyan, etc.
I believe part of why Trump is often so "wrong" is that his rating system is unnecessarily restrictive. As someone who also rates sets, I understand the difficulty of trying to figure out what your standard of review should be. I understand what he's aiming for, but I think it doesn't leave him with much wiggle room. That's actually sort of admirable.
I typically think Kibler is one of the best. The guy just knows how CCGs work, and what makes something good. He doesn't usually attach "ratings" which might turn some off.
I haven't watched Feno's yet, but I think he's a really great player. I can't wait to check it out. I watched Saiyin and Muzzy's RoS review, and I thought it was pretty solid - but their personalities aren't great for streams.
Dr Boom = bad card
Troggzor = meta breaking
Trump has been wrong since release one and has never gotten better. His reviews should be watched with the ratings reversed 99% of the time.
I like Regis, and Kibler.
Btw, it’s on his twitch channel ( FenoHS) .
And don’t miss fenos face expression when Orange talks about the Mummy at around 3:38:00 ^^
Can't wait! lol
To be fair to trump, control warlock was not a competitive deck and only became competitive during KnC, which was also only because of mana cheating. So trump was 100% correct with 1 star defile for that one meta.
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Regis "Hey buddy watch this" Killbin - and until next time, game on!
For me, people that are listening the card review are dumbs (I don't want to be offensive, but it is what I think). You have seen the cards, The cards are very simple, it is Hearthstone. We are not talking about mathematical analysis or other difficult topics. Why should you listen an opinion of a person? These are cards! You have your opinion about it.
Trump was most accurate last expansion.
Kripp even tho he mainly play arena. He has played for a long time and have a good understanding of the game.
Also Regis.
I'd say Kibler and Kripp are the most accurate and balanced card reviewers because 1) they have a great understanding of all possible synergies before the release and 2) they play all different types of decks so they're not just building smorc decks. Compare this to other pro or wild players who seem to just think of the cards that will enhance their existing decks. Even RegisKillbin, who puts out great content, he usually just ends up playing meme decks that don't get him past rank 3.
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I didn't say that they said we shouldn't have fun and experiment. I simply meant that why aren't they willing to try something new, fresh, mostly weird and "risky", for example Malygos Druid, even though it is not a great deck at the moment because of the weak tools Druid has now, but it might be something this expansion. Instead, they are promoting existing decks we play for the last month or two that became meta today. I know it is difficult to figure the future meta, even a small part of it, but I think they prefer safe high-winrate decks. I'm not saying that is bad, just that I personally don't like that, that's all.
You just described most streamer's reactions to those cards.