Just play Kingsbane Rogue and have fun wrecking all the Big Priests playing with the new card.
Yes and after you find odd pala or even shaman or you have fun In being wrecked. It is horrible wild like now. A total Rock paper scissor. With Big Priest broken.
You do know that aggro decks don't give a rat's ass about value, right? So no, Vargoth does not have soft taunt against aggressive decks, much like Ragnaros.
Also, who ever mentioned that Vargoth costs 9 mana?
Man you are a total noob talking with you it is pointless.
Yet you're still talking and haven't provided a single coherent thought as to why big priest is oh so overpowered now.
This card will see 0 play in Res Priest. It's just not better then Rag or Shaarj or Statue.
because you are noob man. It is already played withBarnes Rag or Shaarj or Statue.
Great! Free wins for me against those scrubs then. A 2/6 without taunt is a lot easier for me to deal with than 4/8s and 8/8s with taunt.
You know, that most big priest decks run all sorts of AoE cards, stuff like Spirit Lash, Excavated Evil, Lightbomb and Holy Nova? Cards that completely wipe your board and heal the opponent if you don't kill their 2/6. I'm not saying it always the best card against every deck, but its a pretty solid new addition to a the deck that isn't bad to draw early and has powerful interactions with most of the spells the deck already plays. The card isn't what you're trying to hit off Barnes or Shadow Essence, though hitting it off Essence is kind of the nuts, because it then summons something else instantly. Its a minion you can play early that your opponent has to respect. Something the deck was previously lacking. Its a 4 cost card that has impact, and not another 8-10 cost card you desperately don't want to draw early. I think that's a pretty powerful new addition. IDK how much experience you have playing against the card, you seem to have a lot from the way you are talking. I'd love to see some replays of you beating some Big Priest decks that had early Vargoth that you just ignored.
You know, that most big priest decks run all sorts of AoE cards, stuff like Spirit Lash, Excavated Evil, Lightbomb and Holy Nova? Cards that completely wipe your board and heal the opponent if you don't kill their 2/6. I'm not saying it always the best card against every deck, but its a pretty solid new addition to a the deck that isn't bad to draw early and has powerful interactions with most of the spells the deck already plays. The card isn't what you're trying to hit off Barnes or Shadow Essence, though hitting it off Essence is kind of the nuts, because it then summons something else instantly. Its a minion you can play early that your opponent has to respect. Something the deck was previously lacking. Its a 4 cost card that has impact, and not another 8-10 cost card you desperately don't want to draw early. I think that's a pretty powerful new addition. IDK how much experience you have playing against the card, you seem to have a lot from the way you are talking. I'd love to see some replays of you beating some Big Priest decks that had early Vargoth that you just ignored.
The only reasonable scenario you managed to paint is with spirit lash.
Tell me what lightbomb and excavated evil do against empty boards? Because that's how they work in combination with Vargoth.
What big priests do -you- encounter that run holy nova even? Got any replays of that perhaps?
You know, that most big priest decks run all sorts of AoE cards, stuff like Spirit Lash, Excavated Evil, Lightbomb and Holy Nova? Cards that completely wipe your board and heal the opponent if you don't kill their 2/6. I'm not saying it always the best card against every deck, but its a pretty solid new addition to a the deck that isn't bad to draw early and has powerful interactions with most of the spells the deck already plays. The card isn't what you're trying to hit off Barnes or Shadow Essence, though hitting it off Essence is kind of the nuts, because it then summons something else instantly. Its a minion you can play early that your opponent has to respect. Something the deck was previously lacking. Its a 4 cost card that has impact, and not another 8-10 cost card you desperately don't want to draw early. I think that's a pretty powerful new addition. IDK how much experience you have playing against the card, you seem to have a lot from the way you are talking. I'd love to see some replays of you beating some Big Priest decks that had early Vargoth that you just ignored.
The only reasonable scenario you managed to paint is with spirit lash.
Tell me what lightbomb and excavated evil do against empty boards? Because that's how they work in combination with Vargoth.
What big priests do -you- encounter that run holy nova even? Got any replays of that perhaps?
Good luck with that. Threads like these aren’t about showing actual game proof. Most of these complaint threads are all on hypothesis’s. Complaining while knowing full well that some examples being used don’t see play in the arch type.
I don’t play Priest all that much, so up to this current point in time, my experience with the Archmage has been lackluster in other classes due to the “random target” wording. I expect to see A LOT of Hearthstone funny fails on YouTube with this card backfiring on players.
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You know, that most big priest decks run all sorts of AoE cards, stuff like Spirit Lash, Excavated Evil, Lightbomb and Holy Nova? Cards that completely wipe your board and heal the opponent if you don't kill their 2/6. I'm not saying it always the best card against every deck, but its a pretty solid new addition to a the deck that isn't bad to draw early and has powerful interactions with most of the spells the deck already plays. The card isn't what you're trying to hit off Barnes or Shadow Essence, though hitting it off Essence is kind of the nuts, because it then summons something else instantly. Its a minion you can play early that your opponent has to respect. Something the deck was previously lacking. Its a 4 cost card that has impact, and not another 8-10 cost card you desperately don't want to draw early. I think that's a pretty powerful new addition. IDK how much experience you have playing against the card, you seem to have a lot from the way you are talking. I'd love to see some replays of you beating some Big Priest decks that had early Vargoth that you just ignored.
The only reasonable scenario you managed to paint is with spirit lash.
Tell me what lightbomb and excavated evil do against empty boards? Because that's how they work in combination with Vargoth.
What big priests do -you- encounter that run holy nova even? Got any replays of that perhaps?
Good luck with that. Threads like these aren’t about showing actual game proof. Most of these complaint threads are all on hypothesis’s. Complaining while knowing full well that some examples being used don’t see play in the arch type.
I don’t play Priest all that much, so up to this current point in time, my experience with the Archmage has been lackluster in other classes due to the “random target” wording. I expect to see A LOT of Hearthstone funny fails on YouTube with this card backfiring on players.
You have to be dump to this card backfire you...
So many good spells drawing cards, putting minions in your board, gaining armor or only affect enemies.
This card is in the same level of Zilliax, you can put in any deck and get a lot of value from it.
You know, that most big priest decks run all sorts of AoE cards, stuff like Spirit Lash, Excavated Evil, Lightbomb and Holy Nova? Cards that completely wipe your board and heal the opponent if you don't kill their 2/6. I'm not saying it always the best card against every deck, but its a pretty solid new addition to a the deck that isn't bad to draw early and has powerful interactions with most of the spells the deck already plays. The card isn't what you're trying to hit off Barnes or Shadow Essence, though hitting it off Essence is kind of the nuts, because it then summons something else instantly. Its a minion you can play early that your opponent has to respect. Something the deck was previously lacking. Its a 4 cost card that has impact, and not another 8-10 cost card you desperately don't want to draw early. I think that's a pretty powerful new addition. IDK how much experience you have playing against the card, you seem to have a lot from the way you are talking. I'd love to see some replays of you beating some Big Priest decks that had early Vargoth that you just ignored.
The only reasonable scenario you managed to paint is with spirit lash.
Tell me what lightbomb and excavated evil do against empty boards? Because that's how they work in combination with Vargoth.
What big priests do -you- encounter that run holy nova even? Got any replays of that perhaps?
Good luck with that. Threads like these aren’t about showing actual game proof. Most of these complaint threads are all on hypothesis’s. Complaining while knowing full well that some examples being used don’t see play in the arch type.
I don’t play Priest all that much, so up to this current point in time, my experience with the Archmage has been lackluster in other classes due to the “random target” wording. I expect to see A LOT of Hearthstone funny fails on YouTube with this card backfiring on players.
You have to be dump to this card backfire you...
So many good spells drawing cards, putting minions in your board, gaining armor or only affect enemies.
This card is in the same level of Zilliax, you can put in any deck and get a lot of value from it.
Maybe so, but unless you tailor the deck to specifically interact with his specific verbiage, it’s a crap shoot. I had a fireball tossed at my face. I saw an opponent kill off his own Archmage by targeting itself. So yeah, just like Shudderwock or Yogg, this card can backfire if put in the wrong deck with non optimal spells.
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You know, that most big priest decks run all sorts of AoE cards, stuff like Spirit Lash, Excavated Evil, Lightbomb and Holy Nova? Cards that completely wipe your board and heal the opponent if you don't kill their 2/6. I'm not saying it always the best card against every deck, but its a pretty solid new addition to a the deck that isn't bad to draw early and has powerful interactions with most of the spells the deck already plays. The card isn't what you're trying to hit off Barnes or Shadow Essence, though hitting it off Essence is kind of the nuts, because it then summons something else instantly. Its a minion you can play early that your opponent has to respect. Something the deck was previously lacking. Its a 4 cost card that has impact, and not another 8-10 cost card you desperately don't want to draw early. I think that's a pretty powerful new addition. IDK how much experience you have playing against the card, you seem to have a lot from the way you are talking. I'd love to see some replays of you beating some Big Priest decks that had early Vargoth that you just ignored.
The only reasonable scenario you managed to paint is with spirit lash.
Tell me what lightbomb and excavated evil do against empty boards? Because that's how they work in combination with Vargoth.
What big priests do -you- encounter that run holy nova even? Got any replays of that perhaps?
I thought you were on the side of aggro decks? Are you saying you're on the side of other control decks against this card?? Because I'm pretty sure this plus rez effects and Mind Blast beats almost all the control/midrange decks pretty handily. If you're talking about mirrors matches, IDK. I don't play with Big Priest only against it, and I can say I've seen this card get out of hand super fast. The big thing about this card is you can play it on 4, and then once it dies, if that's because your opponent killed it, or because you played Mass Hysteria or Excavated Evil, then you can start rez'ing this in multiples and snowballing the effect with cards like Shadow Visions, Shadow Essence and Mind Blast. And again, I'm not saying the card is the best card ever, but you're acting like a proactive 4 drop in a combo/control deck isn't a good addition. As if the effect is so unimportant that it doesn't matter and you can win past it. I'm pretty sure all the best/most played Priest spells have a pretty good synergy with this card, and even cards that aren't that commonly played any more but used to be staples like Holy Nova and Entomb, get way better with this card. You want to tell me my points aren't that valid, but you also have only made one argument, that you think the card is less impactful than all the existing cards. I think that's incorrect, and I've given plenty of examples as to why I feel that way. All you have said to me is that isn't enough. If you want to have a discussion there needs to be more to it than you just saying "nah, not good enough". I've seen the card in action, and I think its pretty good. Have you actually seen the card be bad or are you just trolling?
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I thought you were on the side of aggro decks? Are you saying you're on the side of other control decks against this card?? Because I'm pretty sure this plus rez effects and Mind Blast beats almost all the control/midrange decks pretty handily. If you're talking about mirrors matches, IDK. I don't play with Big Priest only against it, and I can say I've seen this card get out of hand super fast. The big thing about this card is you can play it on 4, and then once it dies, if that's because your opponent killed it, or because you played Mass Hysteria or Excavated Evil, then you can start rez'ing this in multiples and snowballing the effect with cards like Shadow Visions, Shadow Essence and Mind Blast. And again, I'm not saying the card is the best card ever, but you're acting like a proactive 4 drop in a combo/control deck isn't a good addition. As if the effect is so unimportant that it doesn't matter and you can win past it. I'm pretty sure all the best/most played Priest spells have a pretty good synergy with this card, and even cards that aren't that commonly played any more but used to be staples like Holy Nova and Entomb, get way better with this card. You want to tell me my points aren't that valid, but you also have only made one argument, that you think the card is less impactful than all the existing cards. I think that's incorrect, and I've given plenty of examples as to why I feel that way. All you have said to me is that isn't enough. If you want to have a discussion there needs to be more to it than you just saying "nah, not good enough". I've seen the card in action, and I think its pretty good. Have you actually seen the card be bad or are you just trolling?
You painted four examples of which 3/4 were absolute rubbish. Yes I am on the side of aggro decks which you might have noticed had you paid any attention.
Now tell me, if an excavated evil or lightbomb clears my board regardless, then what good will a second excavated evil or lightbomb do? Absolutely nothing, which is why the card is more often than not a dead card in aggro matchups. Similar to pulling barnes from Shadow essence.
You write these massive wall of texts, yet say very little and/or rubbish. Entomb is good with Archmage Vargoth? Did you even read the card's text?
I thought you were on the side of aggro decks? Are you saying you're on the side of other control decks against this card?? Because I'm pretty sure this plus rez effects and Mind Blast beats almost all the control/midrange decks pretty handily. If you're talking about mirrors matches, IDK. I don't play with Big Priest only against it, and I can say I've seen this card get out of hand super fast. The big thing about this card is you can play it on 4, and then once it dies, if that's because your opponent killed it, or because you played Mass Hysteria or Excavated Evil, then you can start rez'ing this in multiples and snowballing the effect with cards like Shadow Visions, Shadow Essence and Mind Blast. And again, I'm not saying the card is the best card ever, but you're acting like a proactive 4 drop in a combo/control deck isn't a good addition. As if the effect is so unimportant that it doesn't matter and you can win past it. I'm pretty sure all the best/most played Priest spells have a pretty good synergy with this card, and even cards that aren't that commonly played any more but used to be staples like Holy Nova and Entomb, get way better with this card. You want to tell me my points aren't that valid, but you also have only made one argument, that you think the card is less impactful than all the existing cards. I think that's incorrect, and I've given plenty of examples as to why I feel that way. All you have said to me is that isn't enough. If you want to have a discussion there needs to be more to it than you just saying "nah, not good enough". I've seen the card in action, and I think its pretty good. Have you actually seen the card be bad or are you just trolling?
You painted four examples of which 3/4 were absolute rubbish. Yes I am on the side of aggro decks which you might have noticed had you paid any attention.
Now tell me, if an excavated evil or lightbomb clears my board regardless, then what good will a second excavated evil or lightbomb do? Absolutely nothing, which is why the card is more often than not a dead card in aggro matchups. Similar to pulling barnes from Shadow essence.
You write these massive wall of texts, yet say very little and/or rubbish. Entomb is good with Archmage Vargoth? Did you even read the card's text?
I thought you were on the side of aggro decks? Are you saying you're on the side of other control decks against this card?? Because I'm pretty sure this plus rez effects and Mind Blast beats almost all the control/midrange decks pretty handily. If you're talking about mirrors matches, IDK. I don't play with Big Priest only against it, and I can say I've seen this card get out of hand super fast. The big thing about this card is you can play it on 4, and then once it dies, if that's because your opponent killed it, or because you played Mass Hysteria or Excavated Evil, then you can start rez'ing this in multiples and snowballing the effect with cards like Shadow Visions, Shadow Essence and Mind Blast. And again, I'm not saying the card is the best card ever, but you're acting like a proactive 4 drop in a combo/control deck isn't a good addition. As if the effect is so unimportant that it doesn't matter and you can win past it. I'm pretty sure all the best/most played Priest spells have a pretty good synergy with this card, and even cards that aren't that commonly played any more but used to be staples like Holy Nova and Entomb, get way better with this card. You want to tell me my points aren't that valid, but you also have only made one argument, that you think the card is less impactful than all the existing cards. I think that's incorrect, and I've given plenty of examples as to why I feel that way. All you have said to me is that isn't enough. If you want to have a discussion there needs to be more to it than you just saying "nah, not good enough". I've seen the card in action, and I think its pretty good. Have you actually seen the card be bad or are you just trolling?
You painted four examples of which 3/4 were absolute rubbish. Yes I am on the side of aggro decks which you might have noticed had you paid any attention.
Now tell me, if an excavated evil or lightbomb clears my board regardless, then what good will a second excavated evil or lightbomb do? Absolutely nothing, which is why the card is more often than not a dead card in aggro matchups. Similar to pulling barnes from Shadow essence.
You write these massive wall of texts, yet say very little and/or rubbish. Entomb is good with Archmage Vargoth? Did you even read the card's text?
I thought you were on the side of aggro decks? Are you saying you're on the side of other control decks against this card?? Because I'm pretty sure this plus rez effects and Mind Blast beats almost all the control/midrange decks pretty handily. If you're talking about mirrors matches, IDK. I don't play with Big Priest only against it, and I can say I've seen this card get out of hand super fast. The big thing about this card is you can play it on 4, and then once it dies, if that's because your opponent killed it, or because you played Mass Hysteria or Excavated Evil, then you can start rez'ing this in multiples and snowballing the effect with cards like Shadow Visions, Shadow Essence and Mind Blast. And again, I'm not saying the card is the best card ever, but you're acting like a proactive 4 drop in a combo/control deck isn't a good addition. As if the effect is so unimportant that it doesn't matter and you can win past it. I'm pretty sure all the best/most played Priest spells have a pretty good synergy with this card, and even cards that aren't that commonly played any more but used to be staples like Holy Nova and Entomb, get way better with this card. You want to tell me my points aren't that valid, but you also have only made one argument, that you think the card is less impactful than all the existing cards. I think that's incorrect, and I've given plenty of examples as to why I feel that way. All you have said to me is that isn't enough. If you want to have a discussion there needs to be more to it than you just saying "nah, not good enough". I've seen the card in action, and I think its pretty good. Have you actually seen the card be bad or are you just trolling?
You painted four examples of which 3/4 were absolute rubbish. Yes I am on the side of aggro decks which you might have noticed had you paid any attention.
Now tell me, if an excavated evil or lightbomb clears my board regardless, then what good will a second excavated evil or lightbomb do? Absolutely nothing, which is why the card is more often than not a dead card in aggro matchups. Similar to pulling barnes from Shadow essence.
You write these massive wall of texts, yet say very little and/or rubbish. Entomb is good with Archmage Vargoth? Did you even read the card's text?
Against aggro? How? Have you even read any of my previous posts?
Yes also. it is better than rag against aggro. DO you prefer hit with 8 a token 1/1 with rag or cast double Spirit Lash thanks to Archmage Vargoth? And constantly resurrect him double the time thanks to the resurrect spells casted two times by him? it is a cancer.
By the way, as I said before, it is pointless talk to you. You are not a wild player.
I have mostly played even shaman, and vs that, I am pretty sure Archmage Vargoth will make normal big priest quite a lot weaker. I am not sure about the combo version.
It was already an extremely tough matchup, and Hex was not the autowin card I hoped. Luckily rogue counters big priest and shaman does very well vs rogues.
I thought you were on the side of aggro decks? Are you saying you're on the side of other control decks against this card?? Because I'm pretty sure this plus rez effects and Mind Blast beats almost all the control/midrange decks pretty handily. If you're talking about mirrors matches, IDK. I don't play with Big Priest only against it, and I can say I've seen this card get out of hand super fast. The big thing about this card is you can play it on 4, and then once it dies, if that's because your opponent killed it, or because you played Mass Hysteria or Excavated Evil, then you can start rez'ing this in multiples and snowballing the effect with cards like Shadow Visions, Shadow Essence and Mind Blast. And again, I'm not saying the card is the best card ever, but you're acting like a proactive 4 drop in a combo/control deck isn't a good addition. As if the effect is so unimportant that it doesn't matter and you can win past it. I'm pretty sure all the best/most played Priest spells have a pretty good synergy with this card, and even cards that aren't that commonly played any more but used to be staples like Holy Nova and Entomb, get way better with this card. You want to tell me my points aren't that valid, but you also have only made one argument, that you think the card is less impactful than all the existing cards. I think that's incorrect, and I've given plenty of examples as to why I feel that way. All you have said to me is that isn't enough. If you want to have a discussion there needs to be more to it than you just saying "nah, not good enough". I've seen the card in action, and I think its pretty good. Have you actually seen the card be bad or are you just trolling?
You painted four examples of which 3/4 were absolute rubbish. Yes I am on the side of aggro decks which you might have noticed had you paid any attention.
Now tell me, if an excavated evil or lightbomb clears my board regardless, then what good will a second excavated evil or lightbomb do? Absolutely nothing, which is why the card is more often than not a dead card in aggro matchups. Similar to pulling barnes from Shadow essence.
You write these massive wall of texts, yet say very little and/or rubbish. Entomb is good with Archmage Vargoth? Did you even read the card's text?
Excavated Evil and Lightbomb don't always clear the board currently. IDK how many games you play, but those cards aren't 100% effective against most of the current meta. Between minions with higher Health than attack, Divine Shield, sticky Deathrattle minions, or more than 4 health (specifically when talking about Excavated Evil), the effect matters. I'm pretty sure most aggro decks at the moment try to play some amount of resilience to board clears. Its one of the reasons Psychic Scream is so powerful, because it bypasses all that stuff. Just like Spirit Lashing 1 isn't nearly as strong as doing it twice. I'm also pretty sure Entomb is a pretty decent tech card for the mirror. Again, I wasn't saying every single card is good against everything. Yes, in specifically the aggro match ups, its true that Vargoth isn't the single best card that is just breaking the meta for Big Priest. I'm also not 100% sure that is what anyone was ever saying at any point. So IDK why you are so fixated on one specific thing. Do I think the card is bad against aggro? No, not at all. Do you? Yes, obviously. I think its perfectly fine against aggro. Its definitely worse than the best card, Obsidian Statue, specifically off Barnes. Otherwise I think the card is pretty good, because you can keep it in your opening hand, unlike most of the other minions in Big Priest which you don't want. Against the other control decks it can generate crazy scenarios around value or just very very fast kills with Mind Blast. I don't know what else to say to you. You seem pretty set in your idea that Aggro beats big priest, that's what matters to you and this card doesn't change that so who cards what else the card does, or how it might affect other match ups.
Yes also. it is better than rag against aggro. DO you prefer hit with 8 a token 1/1 with rag or cast double Spirit Lash thanks to Archmage Vargoth? And constantly resurrect him double the time thanks to the resurrect spells casted two times by him? it is a cancer.
By the way, as I said before, it is pointless talk to you. You are not a wild player.
I play both formats equally. Resurrecting a 2/6 at turns 4/5 and beyond without taunt, rather than a 4/8 with lifesteal, taunt AND deathrattle: destroy an enemy minion or an 8/8 with taunt only makes my matchups against big priest better.
Spirit lash is the only viable scenario, and adding one more minion for that single scenario is not worth it in any way whatsoever.
I thought you were on the side of aggro decks? Are you saying you're on the side of other control decks against this card?? Because I'm pretty sure this plus rez effects and Mind Blast beats almost all the control/midrange decks pretty handily. If you're talking about mirrors matches, IDK. I don't play with Big Priest only against it, and I can say I've seen this card get out of hand super fast. The big thing about this card is you can play it on 4, and then once it dies, if that's because your opponent killed it, or because you played Mass Hysteria or Excavated Evil, then you can start rez'ing this in multiples and snowballing the effect with cards like Shadow Visions, Shadow Essence and Mind Blast. And again, I'm not saying the card is the best card ever, but you're acting like a proactive 4 drop in a combo/control deck isn't a good addition. As if the effect is so unimportant that it doesn't matter and you can win past it. I'm pretty sure all the best/most played Priest spells have a pretty good synergy with this card, and even cards that aren't that commonly played any more but used to be staples like Holy Nova and Entomb, get way better with this card. You want to tell me my points aren't that valid, but you also have only made one argument, that you think the card is less impactful than all the existing cards. I think that's incorrect, and I've given plenty of examples as to why I feel that way. All you have said to me is that isn't enough. If you want to have a discussion there needs to be more to it than you just saying "nah, not good enough". I've seen the card in action, and I think its pretty good. Have you actually seen the card be bad or are you just trolling?
You painted four examples of which 3/4 were absolute rubbish. Yes I am on the side of aggro decks which you might have noticed had you paid any attention.
Now tell me, if an excavated evil or lightbomb clears my board regardless, then what good will a second excavated evil or lightbomb do? Absolutely nothing, which is why the card is more often than not a dead card in aggro matchups. Similar to pulling barnes from Shadow essence.
You write these massive wall of texts, yet say very little and/or rubbish. Entomb is good with Archmage Vargoth? Did you even read the card's text?
Excavated Evil and Lightbomb don't always clear the board currently. IDK how many games you play, but those cards aren't 100% effective against most of the current meta. Between minions with higher Health than attack, Divine Shield, sticky Deathrattle minions, or more than 4 health (specifically when talking about Excavated Evil), the effect matters. I'm pretty sure most aggro decks at the moment try to play some amount of resilience to board clears. Its one of the reasons Psychic Scream is so powerful, because it bypasses all that stuff. Just like Spirit Lashing 1 isn't nearly as strong as doing it twice. I'm also pretty sure Entomb is a pretty decent tech card for the mirror. Again, I wasn't saying every single card is good against everything. Yes, in specifically the aggro match ups, its true that Vargoth isn't the single best card that is just breaking the meta for Big Priest. I'm also not 100% sure that is what anyone was ever saying at any point. So IDK why you are so fixated on one specific thing. Do I think the card is bad against aggro? No, not at all. Do you? Yes, obviously. I think its perfectly fine against aggro. Its definitely worse than the best card, Obsidian Statue, specifically off Barnes. Otherwise I think the card is pretty good, because you can keep it in your opening hand, unlike most of the other minions in Big Priest which you don't want. Against the other control decks it can generate crazy scenarios around value or just very very fast kills with Mind Blast. I don't know what else to say to you. You seem pretty set in your idea that Aggro beats big priest, that's what matters to you and this card doesn't change that so who cards what else the card does, or how it might affect other match ups.
Yes also. it is better than rag against aggro. DO you prefer hit with 8 a token 1/1 with rag or cast double Spirit Lash thanks to Archmage Vargoth? And constantly resurrect him double the time thanks to the resurrect spells casted two times by him? it is a cancer.
By the way, as I said before, it is pointless talk to you. You are not a wild player.
I play both formats equally. Resurrecting a 2/6 at turns 4/5 and beyond without taunt, rather than a 4/8 with lifesteal, taunt AND deathrattle: destroy an enemy minion or an 8/8 with taunt only makes my matchups against big priest better.
Spirit lash is the only viable scenario, and adding one more minion for that single scenario is not worth it in any way whatsoever.
You are full of your nonsense convictions. Archmage Vargoth costs 4. It is good against aggro and control you can duplicate him many times. The statue cost 9. Think what you want man. It is in meta now. It is full of big priests with him.
Do you want check how noob you are? read the comments of the card!
Yes and after you find odd pala or even shaman or you have fun In being wrecked. It is horrible wild like now. A total Rock paper scissor. With Big Priest broken.
Yet you're still talking and haven't provided a single coherent thought as to why big priest is oh so overpowered now.
yea its good rn but there will be counters soon
"let me change your mind" (in standard at least. They might take a bit more convincing in wild)
You know, that most big priest decks run all sorts of AoE cards, stuff like Spirit Lash, Excavated Evil, Lightbomb and Holy Nova? Cards that completely wipe your board and heal the opponent if you don't kill their 2/6. I'm not saying it always the best card against every deck, but its a pretty solid new addition to a the deck that isn't bad to draw early and has powerful interactions with most of the spells the deck already plays. The card isn't what you're trying to hit off Barnes or Shadow Essence, though hitting it off Essence is kind of the nuts, because it then summons something else instantly. Its a minion you can play early that your opponent has to respect. Something the deck was previously lacking. Its a 4 cost card that has impact, and not another 8-10 cost card you desperately don't want to draw early. I think that's a pretty powerful new addition. IDK how much experience you have playing against the card, you seem to have a lot from the way you are talking. I'd love to see some replays of you beating some Big Priest decks that had early Vargoth that you just ignored.
To crush your enemies, to see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of the women.
The only reasonable scenario you managed to paint is with spirit lash.
Tell me what lightbomb and excavated evil do against empty boards? Because that's how they work in combination with Vargoth.
What big priests do -you- encounter that run holy nova even? Got any replays of that perhaps?
Good luck with that. Threads like these aren’t about showing actual game proof. Most of these complaint threads are all on hypothesis’s. Complaining while knowing full well that some examples being used don’t see play in the arch type.
I don’t play Priest all that much, so up to this current point in time, my experience with the Archmage has been lackluster in other classes due to the “random target” wording. I expect to see A LOT of Hearthstone funny fails on YouTube with this card backfiring on players.
Grammar is the difference between knowing your crap, and knowing you’re crap.
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You have to be dump to this card backfire you...
So many good spells drawing cards, putting minions in your board, gaining armor or only affect enemies.
This card is in the same level of Zilliax, you can put in any deck and get a lot of value from it.
Maybe so, but unless you tailor the deck to specifically interact with his specific verbiage, it’s a crap shoot. I had a fireball tossed at my face. I saw an opponent kill off his own Archmage by targeting itself. So yeah, just like Shudderwock or Yogg, this card can backfire if put in the wrong deck with non optimal spells.
Grammar is the difference between knowing your crap, and knowing you’re crap.
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I thought you were on the side of aggro decks? Are you saying you're on the side of other control decks against this card?? Because I'm pretty sure this plus rez effects and Mind Blast beats almost all the control/midrange decks pretty handily. If you're talking about mirrors matches, IDK. I don't play with Big Priest only against it, and I can say I've seen this card get out of hand super fast. The big thing about this card is you can play it on 4, and then once it dies, if that's because your opponent killed it, or because you played Mass Hysteria or Excavated Evil, then you can start rez'ing this in multiples and snowballing the effect with cards like Shadow Visions, Shadow Essence and Mind Blast. And again, I'm not saying the card is the best card ever, but you're acting like a proactive 4 drop in a combo/control deck isn't a good addition. As if the effect is so unimportant that it doesn't matter and you can win past it. I'm pretty sure all the best/most played Priest spells have a pretty good synergy with this card, and even cards that aren't that commonly played any more but used to be staples like Holy Nova and Entomb, get way better with this card. You want to tell me my points aren't that valid, but you also have only made one argument, that you think the card is less impactful than all the existing cards. I think that's incorrect, and I've given plenty of examples as to why I feel that way. All you have said to me is that isn't enough. If you want to have a discussion there needs to be more to it than you just saying "nah, not good enough". I've seen the card in action, and I think its pretty good. Have you actually seen the card be bad or are you just trolling?
To crush your enemies, to see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of the women.
You can easily defeat big priests by teching in kingsbane rogue to your deck Kappa
You painted four examples of which 3/4 were absolute rubbish. Yes I am on the side of aggro decks which you might have noticed had you paid any attention.
Now tell me, if an excavated evil or lightbomb clears my board regardless, then what good will a second excavated evil or lightbomb do? Absolutely nothing, which is why the card is more often than not a dead card in aggro matchups. Similar to pulling barnes from Shadow essence.
You write these massive wall of texts, yet say very little and/or rubbish. Entomb is good with Archmage Vargoth? Did you even read the card's text?
Man what issues you have? Archmage Vargoth with:
Eternal Servitude, Lesser Diamond Spellstone, Resurrect, Greater Healing Potion, Spirit Lash, Excavated Evil, Shadow Visions, Shadow Word: Death. Entomb it is not even used in most of the big priest lists. Archmage Vargoth is totally broken for the priest.
Against aggro? How? Have you even read any of my previous posts?
Yes also. it is better than rag against aggro. DO you prefer hit with 8 a token 1/1 with rag or cast double Spirit Lash thanks to Archmage Vargoth? And constantly resurrect him double the time thanks to the resurrect spells casted two times by him? it is a cancer.
By the way, as I said before, it is pointless talk to you. You are not a wild player.
I have mostly played even shaman, and vs that, I am pretty sure Archmage Vargoth will make normal big priest quite a lot weaker. I am not sure about the combo version.
It was already an extremely tough matchup, and Hex was not the autowin card I hoped. Luckily rogue counters big priest and shaman does very well vs rogues.
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Excavated Evil and Lightbomb don't always clear the board currently. IDK how many games you play, but those cards aren't 100% effective against most of the current meta. Between minions with higher Health than attack, Divine Shield, sticky Deathrattle minions, or more than 4 health (specifically when talking about Excavated Evil), the effect matters. I'm pretty sure most aggro decks at the moment try to play some amount of resilience to board clears. Its one of the reasons Psychic Scream is so powerful, because it bypasses all that stuff. Just like Spirit Lashing 1 isn't nearly as strong as doing it twice. I'm also pretty sure Entomb is a pretty decent tech card for the mirror. Again, I wasn't saying every single card is good against everything. Yes, in specifically the aggro match ups, its true that Vargoth isn't the single best card that is just breaking the meta for Big Priest. I'm also not 100% sure that is what anyone was ever saying at any point. So IDK why you are so fixated on one specific thing. Do I think the card is bad against aggro? No, not at all. Do you? Yes, obviously. I think its perfectly fine against aggro. Its definitely worse than the best card, Obsidian Statue, specifically off Barnes. Otherwise I think the card is pretty good, because you can keep it in your opening hand, unlike most of the other minions in Big Priest which you don't want. Against the other control decks it can generate crazy scenarios around value or just very very fast kills with Mind Blast. I don't know what else to say to you. You seem pretty set in your idea that Aggro beats big priest, that's what matters to you and this card doesn't change that so who cards what else the card does, or how it might affect other match ups.
To crush your enemies, to see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of the women.
I play both formats equally. Resurrecting a 2/6 at turns 4/5 and beyond without taunt, rather than a 4/8 with lifesteal, taunt AND deathrattle: destroy an enemy minion or an 8/8 with taunt only makes my matchups against big priest better.
Spirit lash is the only viable scenario, and adding one more minion for that single scenario is not worth it in any way whatsoever.
He is not a wild player man. He likes to talk.
You are full of your nonsense convictions. Archmage Vargoth costs 4. It is good against aggro and control you can duplicate him many times. The statue cost 9. Think what you want man. It is in meta now. It is full of big priests with him.
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