Pulled Keleseth from my first set of packs during the expansions release. Pretty much everyone thought the princes were all trash with keleseth being the best of the three (still trash tier though). Decided to hang on to him instead of instadusting. And now he is a staple in one of the top decks currently. Moral of the story; you never know what cards will eventually be good.
P.S. some cards are never playable (my wog hogger that has never seen play)
It is always importent to remember not to dust anythig during thre launch. I am pretty sure was like you that they opened Keleseth, they tell to Blizzard they got scamed and dusted him, and now is the staple for the new Zoolock, the very first Midrange Rogue in existence and the new carry for Pirate Warrior and handbuff Paladin.
Moral of the story: Never underestimate any card during lauch, the princes are the perfect example (except Taldaram, this hasn´t seen any play...yet).
It actually amazes me how many people thought kaleseth will be bad. Like how can having only 1 2-mana card in your deck devastating if all you want to do is flood the board with low cost minions.
Of all the princes keleseth found his home at most aggro deck which can be played without 2 drops. I only see prince valanar in rogue deck as an replacement for sherazin( miracle rogue), mill rogue can use him too as a heal bot lul and if necessary the new aggro rogue too. But prince 5 and 3 are still homeless. Poor guys
Before the change in packs when you can open the same legendary over and over dusting make a little sense, now it is just stupid, don't matter how bad a legendary is, don't dust for don't have the risk open again and lose 1.200 dust doing this.
It actually amazes me how many people thought kaleseth will be bad. Like how can having only 1 2-mana card in your deck devastating if all you want to do is flood the board with low cost minions.
The probability of actually drawing the card on time?
That was my argument since the start and tbh even though before the nerfs some keleseth decks were played and people saw their potential, having a consistent opening proved to be stronger than highroll-ing into a buff card, thus token dudu, pirate warr, murlocadin were much better and popular decks for the aforementioned reason.
My Rogue Prince deck is (and always has been) one of the strongest decks I have ever played! From the moment I pulled the Prince on release day, I was happy to use and abuse him with bounce backs! Haha! :-)
Glad to see he's getting the recognition he deserved!
And how low is probability that control warrior will have fiery war axe on turn 2, mage mana wyrm, priest northshire. If you mulligan hard you will get it most of the time. Since you build you deck around this card its pretty good idea to mulligan your whole hand since most of the stuff in your deck is just cheap garbage without it.
Dusting legendaries is such an immense loss of value, even if it doesn't see any play at all, I don't dust anything. If you REALLY need the dust, yeah, sure dust that Majordomo Executus. But hey, don't complain when you can't beat the lich king by turning him into ragnaros.
And how low is probability that control warrior will have fiery war axe on turn 2, mage mana wyrm, priest northshire. If you mulligan hard you will get it most of the time. Since you build you deck around this card its pretty good idea to mulligan your whole hand since most of the stuff in your deck is just cheap garbage without it.
Not at all - the deck still wins heavily even if you don't see the Prince for the whole game. The Prince just gives you a much bigger guarantee to win. :-)
I mentioned before launch that I was hoping to draw Keleseth and said that the card was good. Tons of people were whining about how unfair it is that you could open a prince (all three dubbed the worst cards in hearthstone history) and yet one turned out to be super powerful and another turned out to be at least somewhat useful in certain decks. Goes to show you that this community is full of people who just spew their beliefs out and refuse to try something out for themselves until some pro plays around with it and deems it good.
That warlock card that kills one of your minions and a random enemy one could combo with The Voraxx I suppose to kill 2 minions?
I have The Voraxx too and never used it (I also have Nozdormu, Lorewalker Cho, The Beast, Blood-Queen Lana'Thel, Lakkari Sacrifice, Knuckles, Sergeant Sally, Mayor Noggenfogger...)
And how low is probability that control warrior will have fiery war axe on turn 2, mage mana wyrm, priest northshire. If you mulligan hard you will get it most of the time. Since you build you deck around this card its pretty good idea to mulligan your whole hand since most of the stuff in your deck is just cheap garbage without it.
First of all - the examples you gave, they are all duplicates, so it's normal, that the chances of the players drawing those cards on time or getting them in the mulligan stage are much higher. Prince Keleseth is only a single card in a 30 limited card deck. Of course, you would try to aggressively mulligan everything away just to get him, I didn't say the opposite, but the chances won't become significantly better for you. And if you manage to find him - well gratz, this means exactly highrolling. How often does someone actually get the prince early, all depends on his luck. There isn't a card, which will fetch it for you, you just hope to get it.
Another thing. Those cards aren't the win-condition, nor the only strategy of those decks. Playing them on curve improves the chances of you actually winning those games, but you won't automatically lose, if you draw them later on, as long as you have other early game cards. Armorsmith, ghoul, taunt; arcanologist, valet (tempo), frost bolt, volcanic (control); radiant elemental, shadow visions, pain... Denying the opponent's tempo puts you in a much better position, but like I said, there are ways you can stay flexible. This imho isn't the case for keleseth decks (except zoo), as you are dependent on what you draw and thus the last part of your post.
[edit] "but you won't automatically lose, if you draw them later on" OK, I may have to correct myself, if I expressed my thoughts falsely. Not getting prince by turn 2/3/4 isn't an automatic lose for that deck too, I admit, but it all depends how good your other hand was.
Pulled Keleseth from my first set of packs during the expansions release. Pretty much everyone thought the princes were all trash with keleseth being the best of the three (still trash tier though). Decided to hang on to him instead of instadusting. And now he is a staple in one of the top decks currently. Moral of the story; you never know what cards will eventually be good.
P.S. some cards are never playable (my wog hogger that has never seen play)
Eat grass, Smoke A$$
I just keep it all, even if i means I miss out on some top deck.
Cards can be cool in a brawl, they might be fun to play or they might suddenly rise as really good cards (like Keleseth).
It is always importent to remember not to dust anythig during thre launch. I am pretty sure was like you that they opened Keleseth, they tell to Blizzard they got scamed and dusted him, and now is the staple for the new Zoolock, the very first Midrange Rogue in existence and the new carry for Pirate Warrior and handbuff Paladin.
Moral of the story: Never underestimate any card during lauch, the princes are the perfect example (except Taldaram, this hasn´t seen any play...yet).
It actually amazes me how many people thought kaleseth will be bad. Like how can having only 1 2-mana card in your deck devastating if all you want to do is flood the board with low cost minions.
Still i have lillian voss and she won't see play ever i think yet iam not dusting her.
I pulled her also at launch. She's definitely more of a fun card vs a competitive one.
Eat grass, Smoke A$$
Of all the princes keleseth found his home at most aggro deck which can be played without 2 drops. I only see prince valanar in rogue deck as an replacement for sherazin( miracle rogue), mill rogue can use him too as a heal bot lul and if necessary the new aggro rogue too. But prince 5 and 3 are still homeless. Poor guys
Before the change in packs when you can open the same legendary over and over dusting make a little sense, now it is just stupid, don't matter how bad a legendary is, don't dust for don't have the risk open again and lose 1.200 dust doing this.
That was my argument since the start and tbh even though before the nerfs some keleseth decks were played and people saw their potential, having a consistent opening proved to be stronger than highroll-ing into a buff card, thus token dudu, pirate warr, murlocadin were much better and popular decks for the aforementioned reason.
I thought Prince Kel was good enough to bring zoo back and I was right!!!
My Rogue Prince deck is (and always has been) one of the strongest decks I have ever played!
From the moment I pulled the Prince on release day, I was happy to use and abuse him with bounce backs! Haha! :-)
Glad to see he's getting the recognition he deserved!
And how low is probability that control warrior will have fiery war axe on turn 2, mage mana wyrm, priest northshire. If you mulligan hard you will get it most of the time. Since you build you deck around this card its pretty good idea to mulligan your whole hand since most of the stuff in your deck is just cheap garbage without it.
Dusting legendaries is such an immense loss of value, even if it doesn't see any play at all, I don't dust anything. If you REALLY need the dust, yeah, sure dust that Majordomo Executus. But hey, don't complain when you can't beat the lich king by turning him into ragnaros.
The Prince just gives you a much bigger guarantee to win. :-)
I mentioned before launch that I was hoping to draw Keleseth and said that the card was good. Tons of people were whining about how unfair it is that you could open a prince (all three dubbed the worst cards in hearthstone history) and yet one turned out to be super powerful and another turned out to be at least somewhat useful in certain decks. Goes to show you that this community is full of people who just spew their beliefs out and refuse to try something out for themselves until some pro plays around with it and deems it good.
The Voraxx is still trash... i think i'm finally gonna dust it
Exactly. My opinion is some1 elses.
That warlock card that kills one of your minions and a random enemy one could combo with The Voraxx I suppose to kill 2 minions?
I have The Voraxx too and never used it (I also have Nozdormu, Lorewalker Cho, The Beast, Blood-Queen Lana'Thel, Lakkari Sacrifice, Knuckles, Sergeant Sally, Mayor Noggenfogger...)