It's hard to tell in a vacuum if the card is good or bad because it depends on the power of the other 29 cards in the deck, but at the moment it's just completely outclassed by quest Mage and other non-Mage decks that are T1.
I just played a game against N'zoth Quest Reno Priest in Wild with Frost Lich Jaina I won the game 9 or 10 damage into Fatigue. Funniest game ever, I wish I had recording equipment sometimes :( somehow 7 N'zoths were played in the game (both of us had Brewmasters, Priest used Devour Mind and Thoughtsteal on another, and I glyphed an Echo of Medivh. I believe Frost Lich Jaina's late game value is insane because the majority of the time your opponent has used all their answers so can't deal with 3/6 Elementals each turn. So no I also do not agree that this card is bad she is quite amazing.
I think FLJ is pretty strong, but control Mage doesn't have the tools to deal with Jade Druid, or other decks that pump out high health minions constantly.
Ive yet to make a deck with her, but she's performed rather well against most of the decks I've been playing.
I believe she is fine, I have watched quite a few streamers lose to her at high legend level. Sindragosa has some good synergy, guaranteeing you something to ping, but the real bad boy is Baron Geddon with the obvious Pyros. She also has a place in Wild reno or control mage, where Ragnaros the Firelord gets a Ragnaros, Lightlord like effect as a bonus!
Fair cards don't see play in broken meta, when you play Jaina jade druid have 6/6 jades in board and 9 cards in hand, many decks don't will work if Blizzard don't completely destroy the OP druid cards.
9 mana cards that do nothing the turn they are played are extremely bad .
I said jaina would be bad right from the beginning and glad to see I was right about her .
Yeah that is why Valeera DK becomes into win condition vs Jade idol cause 9 mana do nothing but get tons of value next turn (also epic agains Exodia mage cause they just cant otk you with the extra turn). But talking about Jaina. First is a come back card, second is a pretty powerfull healing and value generator in just one card. The reason for this card cost 9 is the same for Valeera, they can win the game by his own Jaina can transform Anomalus and Baron into a extra reno jackson, also extra minions for each minion that you can pin, in late game, is another way to win, in turn 10 is just very paintful trade the water elemental.
The only problem of frost lich jaina: exodia mage still the best mage deck in standard with not match. Tempo mage elementals isnt that safe even if the late game powerful matches. You just auto win with exodia mage or concede, "not reasons for craft elemental mage" but exodia mage still seems too boring for me. There isnt normal ways for counter the combo excep ice block, stealh in you hero the right turn or something that will not happen in any duel.
I think Jaina seems very strong, but before control mage gets bullied by priest and warlock, so if druids weren´t around it would be those 2 Classes oppressing, but I aggree Jaina as it self is strong and the Ping endless heal is annoyingly good, but then she lacks the power to contest the game, so most games against her i win due fatigue...
So DK is fine, but it is more the mage toolset that hinders her.
Yeah, except you are not right about it at all lol... As many people already mentioned it, druids are oppresing mage and thats it, im already having lots of success with my kazakus frost lich jana deck against all other decks.
I won against frost lich Jaina with warlock and highlander priest too much only lost with midrange hunter once because she curved better than me so you are wrong about jades
You don't know how this game works, do you? The fact that you won against her once with priest and warlock doesn't mean anything ... all decks are around 50% winrates by default and some have a bit of an edge over others + skill matters a bit.
She's too slow to affect the board and too conditional to get value, if you compare her to Anduin or Gul'dan/Jaraxxus you just end up at a disadvantage in the board control and value wars of a control match up. It's not so much that she's awful, you can sort of build around her with Thalnos, Hoarder, Engineer and Book to guarantee some value, but I think she's just out classed by the rest of the DKs.
I just played a game against N'zoth Quest Reno Priest in Wild with Frost Lich Jaina I won the game 9 or 10 damage into Fatigue. Funniest game ever, I wish I had recording equipment sometimes :( somehow 7 N'zoths were played in the game (both of us had Brewmasters, Priest used Devour Mind and Thoughtsteal on another, and I glyphed an Echo of Medivh. I believe Frost Lich Jaina's late game value is insane because the majority of the time your opponent has used all their answers so can't deal with 3/6 Elementals each turn. So no I also do not agree that this card is bad she is quite amazing.
I just played a game against N'zoth Quest Reno Priest in Wild with Frost Lich Jaina I won the game 9 or 10 damage into Fatigue. Funniest game ever, I wish I had recording equipment sometimes :( somehow 7 N'zoths were played in the game (both of us had Brewmasters, Priest used Devour Mind and Thoughtsteal on another, and I glyphed an Echo of Medivh. I believe Frost Lich Jaina's late game value is insane because the majority of the time your opponent has used all their answers so can't deal with 3/6 Elementals each turn. So no I also do not agree that this card is bad she is quite amazing.
Look up purple's Fatigue mage. it is strong and the ladder around rank 2-1 was filled with them yesterday.
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It's hard to tell in a vacuum if the card is good or bad because it depends on the power of the other 29 cards in the deck, but at the moment it's just completely outclassed by quest Mage and other non-Mage decks that are T1.
I just played a game against N'zoth Quest Reno Priest in Wild with Frost Lich Jaina I won the game 9 or 10 damage into Fatigue. Funniest game ever, I wish I had recording equipment sometimes :( somehow 7 N'zoths were played in the game (both of us had Brewmasters, Priest used Devour Mind and Thoughtsteal on another, and I glyphed an Echo of Medivh. I believe Frost Lich Jaina's late game value is insane because the majority of the time your opponent has used all their answers so can't deal with 3/6 Elementals each turn. So no I also do not agree that this card is bad she is quite amazing.
I think FLJ is pretty strong, but control Mage doesn't have the tools to deal with Jade Druid, or other decks that pump out high health minions constantly.
Ive yet to make a deck with her, but she's performed rather well against most of the decks I've been playing.
I believe she is fine, I have watched quite a few streamers lose to her at high legend level. Sindragosa has some good synergy, guaranteeing you something to ping, but the real bad boy is Baron Geddon with the obvious Pyros. She also has a place in Wild reno or control mage, where Ragnaros the Firelord gets a Ragnaros, Lightlord like effect as a bonus!
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DK Jaina is a strong but fair card.
Fair cards don't see play in broken meta, when you play Jaina jade druid have 6/6 jades in board and 9 cards in hand, many decks don't will work if Blizzard don't completely destroy the OP druid cards.
Card is fine, but if I want a grindy mage i see no reason to play it over exodia mage.
Could have costed 8, hero power freezes too and draw 3 cards, dealing 3 as well and it would still be overlooked compared to Winfestation.
I think Jaina seems very strong, but before control mage gets bullied by priest and warlock, so if druids weren´t around it would be those 2 Classes oppressing, but I aggree Jaina as it self is strong and the Ping endless heal is annoyingly good, but then she lacks the power to contest the game, so most games against her i win due fatigue...
So DK is fine, but it is more the mage toolset that hinders her.
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She's too slow to affect the board and too conditional to get value, if you compare her to Anduin or Gul'dan/Jaraxxus you just end up at a disadvantage in the board control and value wars of a control match up. It's not so much that she's awful, you can sort of build around her with Thalnos, Hoarder, Engineer and Book to guarantee some value, but I think she's just out classed by the rest of the DKs.
Shouldn´t Mana Wyrm be an elemental?
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Playing a FLJ deck ATM when Exodia Mage is a thing is about the same as playing without using your hero power just because it's "fun".