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The discussion is pointless until we know if it gives itself divine shield when summoned.

If it doesn't then there are only a handful of scenarios where it's not complete and utter trash.

If it does then it's gonna be pretty annoying to deal with.

Also I was hoping for more synergies for paladin with this expansion, however the anti synergy with this card and SoJ, enabling big game hunter is the complete wrong direction.

I have been wondering this exact thing for a couple of months now and have been trying to cut them from my control deck for even longer. The deck always seemed somewhat worse without 1x.

The valuation would be a vanilla 5/6 with a holy light attached that must go to hero making it somewhat average.

On the other hand if you were to compare it to:

• fire elemental 6/5 + a 2 mana "frost" bolt
• savanna higmane 6/5 + around 3-4 mana worth of deathrattle
• ancient of lore 5/5 + a 3 mana arcane intellect or a targetable holy light

Is there any of these cards you would not pick in it's stead, even for 7 mana?

It's hard not to come to the conclusion that the card is over priced, the overall versatility of the card would be greatly improved if the heal was just targetable.

you have to include some information on what you want to play to answer this.

I can however tell you that 2x ancient of lore and 1x bgh + at least 1x force of nature is a must if you want to play druid, 2x ancient of war only if you want to go ramp.

For a control warrior you would need 2x shield slam + 1x brawl, gorehowl not really needed because of death's bite.

The paladin epics are sub par, avenging wrath and sword of justice don't see play unless you build the deck around them. LoH is an awkward card because a control paladin usually goes to fatigue and you don't really want to draw cards in addition to your acolytes.

mage, spellbender is very situational, if you want to play freeze mage you would need 2x iceblock, probably 1x pyroblast and 2x doomsayer.

 control warlock you would wan't the molten- and mountain giants.

As you can see it depends on what you want to play, but an ever safer route if you don't have them is crafting cairne, sylvanas, tbk, ragnaros, ysera in that order

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By removing the first part what i was saying loose all it's meaning. And it's precisely my intention by putting a comment "it's a bad deck" to lead beginner to not try this deck, thinking it would be competitive. 

I think a beginner trying out a bad deck and learning why it's bad is many times more valuable than them seeing "this deck is bad" and moving on. If you aren't going to give the deck poster and the newbies seeing the deck any inclination as to why it could be bad then you are hindering their learning process by encouraging them to ignore it. It's somewhat elitist to just go deck to deck saying "good" or "bad" in the comments with an attitude of "my opinion is important enough not to need to explain myself to these plebes." Just give it a downvote and move on. Last thing a deck builder wants is to get notified on a deck they made and see something useless. To reiterate, I do apply this to "this deck is good" comments, people can also explain what they like or why they think it's good.

A beginner playing a good deck and learning why it is good is far more productive than learning a bad deck...

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All too often I see these unnecessary comments when looking through peoples deck, it's time for change. Usually I spend some time everyday to watch/skim through several decks to what all deck builders are up to. One thing that I don't like and do not admire at all are the hate comments, but its not only the hate comment that I lie an eye on. As well, there are these comments that are made up by false statements. The reason why I brought up this thread is to encourage everyone that is not aware of this problem to see it and act. 

If you just would put an eye on the comments you would probably notice that there are these comments that are really annoying and addressed with inappropriate manners. Such a comment could be "This deck is not legend", with other words what these people are saying is pretty much like this: This deck sucks balls and couldn't possible had a place in the legend rank. I am not sure if all players are aware of the fact that every single deck has the possibility of reaching legend rank. Keep in mind that free-to-play decks have reached legend.

I want everyone that's not, to be aware of that all decks are capable and if you don't agree comment on possible suggestions of change but if you're thinking of writing nonsense such as "this deck is really bad I lost after turn 1", then don't.

For everyone, comment with friendly manners and help each other, god damn. Anyone else that who's tired of these unnecessary comments?

 

If you in fact spent some actual time browsing decks you would see that every other deck claims winrates that are unsustainable and many even claim to have reached legend with "x" deck without a proof screenshot or even a  screenshot showing them playing a different deck entirely.

The community calling these people out on it is not a bad thing.

On the other hand, if it's bad manners over the internet that you are against, then well mate.....

This, along with how to value those keywords + how to spot undervalued cards was addressed in a recent talk,

google machinelearning in hearthstone and you will find it.

Handlock was strong in the olden days before they even started playing leeroy.

Back in the day it used to be a serious control deck.

did this since you couldn't be arsed

It would have been nice to see your proof actually with a paladin though

You are right, but those threads are mostly ignored on the forum anyway.

However I would like to add that I think it is hilarious that all those genius card wanna-changers somehow have just the right solution for a single card change but don't have the creativity to change their own decks to accommodate for what they are complaining about.

Recommending thalnos to a new player as their first neutral legend is wrong for a number of reasons and shows a lack of experience with the game. Thalnos is only used in 3 classes. New players should focus on cards that let them build a variety of decks with their collection. Rag and Syl are arguably the best neutral minions for their cost, and can fit into most meta decks.

furthermore, the decks thalnos does belong in are fairly complex to play. They typically don't run a linear easy to understand gameplan. These are not decks that are easy to play, and require a more complex understanding of the game than most new players have.

As for best card? Dr boom, hands down. I don't really think there is another card in the game that has no competition for power at its cost. Even in standard we still don't really have any solid 7 drops. Boom could literally slot into pretty much any deck in the meta right now, and it would be stronger for it (maybe not freeze Mage lol).

Saw a thread on the 3 Top hated, so why not some pepper with the salt...lol.

1. Priest got golden fighting secret pallys in secret pally era. Love how you can just dominate, where it looked grim the turn before.

2. Warrior probably because from my wow day's and turn golden using control.

3. Hunter, my first golden and from midrange, when it was considered weak. Love how you can just kill the opponent, just when they're feeling secure.

Master assassin is a horribly worded card. I think the intent is to destroy the targeted minion, but it is currently destroying the minion that attacks.

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I would like to see a 3 mana spell: Change all enemy minions attack to 2 until the end of your turn.

This combos with shadow word pain, cabal and shadow word horror

Maybe not exactly this, but I do like the idea of a cheap Priest spell that can at least blunt your opponent's attack for a turn or two without actually clearing, and be a good combo enabler or soft Ice Block later in the game.

Everyone talks about how Priest needs cheap mass removal, but if they made a truly effective one (something like Maelstrom Portal on steroids), then in conjunction with its other tools I think Priest would just become too good.

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I would like to see a 3 mana spell: Change all enemy minions attack to 2 until the end of your turn.

This combos with shadow word pain, cabal and shadow word horror

So, new season #32 started out yesterday , a lot of common decks from previous seasons are seen on ladder , but since i grinded with my control warrior on each begining of season earlier , i decided to start this one with my own Malygos druid in order to achieve my 3rd golden class. I played few games last night and did preety good against all common midrange shamans and secret hunters.

Anyways first game i played early in the morning was just so precious for me so i had to share some screenshots and to give detalis about awesome game i had in one of hardest matchup for Malygos druid - the control warrior.

So game started out preety regular , we were both going for early draws , skiped few turns like in any other normal control matchup , but i was the one that started initiating the board pressure by turn 7 where i played out my first Arcane Giant , he didn't wanted to use his execute even though i'm sure he had one, instead he played Sylvanas Windrunner to force out hard turn for me. After all options considered i decided to trade Arcane Giant into his Sylvanas Windrunner and then wrath him after being stolen by her and to play 2nd one. He Slam + Execute'd him.

Then i'm back to some card cycling from 2x Wild Growth and one Wrath and one Azure Drake. He clears with Ravaging Ghoul and Fiery War Axe and after he plays Justicar Trueheart on the top of that he had full hitpoints.Can't quite remember all turns because that game was played to the last possible card to longest possible fatique,but i can remember his turn where he had Baron Geddon and i think Acolyte of Pain on board.

I swiped Acolyte of Pain and Feral Rage'd on Baron Geddon and few turns after realising that i need to push really hard for damage i had to play Ragnaros the Firelord on empty board which got cleared by Shield Slam which lead me to only have Malygos in hand without any combo piece and Emperor Thaurissan and Ancient of War as remaining threats,even though he had one Execute or Shield Slam and both Brawl's left as removals.

I can remember i played my Harrison Jones on his Gorehowl and after that i developed Fandral Staghelm . Now real excitement of the match begins. My Fandral Staghelm barely survived some of his aoe after Harrison Jones got cleared out and i ,,topdecked'' Raven Idol. For spell i discovered Swipe even though i didn't ever used it because the minion i discovered changed the cause of the game because without it i wouldn't have any other chance of comeback or even harder winning potential. The minion i discovered was Elise Starseeker over one common and one rare cards.

Few turns later after drawing Map to the Golden Monkey i did got actual Golden Monkey and without hesitation i replaced Malygos that didn't had Moonfire orLiving Roots left in the deck as finisher, Innervate and two other cards with really good legendaries.Among first that were so helpful in my comeback was Sir Finley Mrrgglton from which i discovered opponent's hero power - Armor Up!.I did used my own Harrison Jones earlier , but i also got 2nd one and used it on his Fool's Bane which drew me three aditional legendaries.

From time to time i played one legendary per turn in order to bait out first Brawl from my opponent.He did eventually played out first Brawl on minions from the board (1st screenshot of the page) . Then i played Tirion Fordring knowing that he has no other removal left other than last Brawl because i needed to care about my low hitpoints and that i might be dead to fatique soon.

He skips turn and i just double my minions with 1/1 copies from Herald Volazj. He did used his Brawl.I played Ragnaros, Lightlord but unfortunately he healed Cho'gall that had one hitpoint less by some whirlwind effect.

Then so late into the game he plays his Elise Starseeker which i had to atack with charge of Ashbringer just to make sure Ragnaros, Lightlord heals my hero.

In five following turns after so much stabilizing and deep fatique damage i dealt over 50 damage to him and his last card was Golden Monkey.I traded it with Chromaggus and two turns after i won the game. 

This was the first and for now my only game of the day , but after it i just couldn't keep on playing because of all feelings and excitement i had, but for sure this game went way far than i expected and it was for sure one of best matches i had for a long,long time. Respect for my opponent,he didn't misplayed once and was patient enough to know when to pressure me and possibly win against me but in same time to use removals when he needed.I play control warrior for such a long time and its really good deck for laddering especialy early into the season , but man what a way to start of a day and grind for higher rank and golden druid :)

- I had to edit this post over 50 times so few of d###bags can be satisfied , i hope this seems better now.For those who want to see pictures at full size right click on screenshots and then open picture in new tab.Cheers

Trying to look at the screenshots.

Honestly, I don't think Priest's sole problem is board clear. The class doesn't need more reactive cards. Rather, it needs cards useful to play against both Control and Aggro decks.

Priest needs better spells / minions for card draw / cycle. Seriously, the class could not rely on Cleric and PWS all the time. Paladin/Warrior/Rogue have way better card draw mechanics. 

They will get some 1drop that doesn't synergize with resurrect,  2 more 4 drops,  a horrible legendary,  and 3 spells which are useful,  but not in the same deck.  What the other 2 cards are will determine whether priest emerges with a playable deck.