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You're bored with the meta, not because 2-3 decks are dominating it (we actually have many when you consider 2 different spiteful decks, Quest Rogue, Cubelock, Haddronox Druid, 3 variations for aggro pallies, etc), but because you can't play a game with the same meta for more than a month. 

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a month. 

LOL

Year of the Mammoth: Cubelock, Silver Hand Recruits everywhere, and Spiteful Summoner pulling Mind Control

Year of the Raven: Cubelock, Silver Hand Recruits everywhere, and Spiteful Summoner pulling Ultimate Infestation

SUCH DIFFERENCE MUCH WOW

A month. That's just cute.

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You're bored with the meta, not because 2-3 decks are dominating it

No shit. I believe the vast majority of us are being perfectly honest about this, so I'm not quite sure what you're trying to prove with the "Gotcha!" thread title and the general tone of your post.

we actually have many when you consider 2 different spiteful decks, Quest Rogue, Cubelock, Haddronox Druid, 3 variations for aggro pallies, etc

Spiteful decks play out in a fairly similar fashion. The 3 variants of aggro pally (oh wow, 3 different versions!!) play out very similarly. Quest Rogue feels lousy and unfun to play against and is hated by almost everyone, even the pros. Cubelock is cubelock.

but because you can't play a game with the same meta for more than a month

Straight up hyperbole. Paladin and Warlock have been tier one for the past 4 months and now, with the launch of the new expansion are still tier one. Yes, people are bored with this. No, this shouldn't come as a surprise.

Players are tilted because some off the wall WW decks like Rush Hunter or something never became playable and you want all tier 1 & 2 decks nerfed so an unforeseen clown fiesta meta can completely overhaul the meta before a new expansion releases.

More hyperbole. No-one wants a 'clown fiesta'. Most of us would, however, like to see more of the new WW cards actually see play, and some nerfs to the existing archetypes would certainly help with that.

 

I do think the community in general is easily bored and impatient

People like novelty, dude. If you can't understand this, I don't even know what to tell you.

I get that some of the nerf threads can be whiny and annoying, but there is also a lot of valid dissatisfaction in the community, and it's coming from a lot of quarters, pro players included. And it seems Blizzard agrees, as nerfs are now incoming.  So... mic drop for those of us who want nerfs, I guess! ;-)

 

Just anything non interactive, unfortunately Rogue is responsible for nearly all of these "solitaire" decks. Even aggro has to interact occasionally.

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I honestly don't think nerfs are going to help anything.  I think the problem is that Witchwood was a boring release.  And I don't think nerfing the crap out of good cards will change that.

At least that's the view from my chair.  Maybe you see things differently from yours.

 

I just want the dust.

Now everyone in this thread make 20 more threads till end of the month balance changes because we just need another thread about the state of the game. 

*proceeds to delete account from hearthpwn website, moves away, starts a new life

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I honestly don't think nerfs are going to help anything.  I think the problem is that Witchwood was a boring release.  And I don't think nerfing the crap out of good cards will change that.

At least that's the view from my chair.  Maybe you see things differently from yours.

 

 

 The card pool reduction from "rotation" has made the meta stable and a bit boring more cards  = more variation so rotation is a bit of a culprit. MAybe add Goblins and Gnomes to classic ? increase the standard pool :)

wishlist demand list:

• Spiteful Summoner is unplayable; the only viable Druid archetype is taunt/ramp based
• Doomguard cannot be put into play without avoiding the battlecry
• CTA has a downside
• Team 5 vows to stop printing early neutrals that are better than class cards
• Team 5 vows to print class cards that aren't simply neutral epics in disguise and only see play as niche/fringe cards
• Tarim has a downside or is changed (cost increased?)
• Spiteful Summoner becomes completely unrecognizable
• Casual stops rewarding gold
• Spiteful Summoner is deleted or the employee who created it is fired

These are my wishes demands. 

taunt druid is fine because it fits in with druid's class identity of summoning a big taunty forest.  

This meta sucks. You're a fanboy in denial. We understand.

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This meta sucks. You're a fanboy in denial. We understand.

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I'm a 4 year player and (don't know why), this is the most boring meta ever :|

Best Regards

 

Biggest problem for me too - I'm bored.  Good to hear the Witchwood expansion may finally be playable on ladder in a few weeks!

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This meta sucks. You're a fanboy in denial. We understand.

I talked earlier about a couple card changes I would like to see among other adjustments here, but it just dawned on me that if Preparation was made to reduce your next spell by (2) mana, my Arcane Tyrant Rogue decksperiment would perform much better being able to cast Sprint for 5 mana instead of 4 leaving my Arcane Tyrants at 5 mana each.

just a thought.

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This meta sucks. You're a fanboy in denial. We understand.

 You're more than welcome to go back to initial Pirate Warrior, Aggro Shaman, or Midrange Shaman metas if you think this one is so horrible in comparison ^_^

Nah, not a "fanboy", more like I don't like seeing whiney players demand nerfs that not only adjusts the power level of cards and decks, but seeks to permanently delete decks from the game simply because people don't like them and have massive bias that only allows decks/cards that fit their playstyle preference.

My philosophy is that nerfs that decrease the total number of decks you can play in a format is bad. There is a difference between tweaking some warlock cards to weaken mana cheese a little and then going balls to the walls nerfing skull, lackey, gul'dan, voidlord, kabal, spellstone, AND doomguard simply because you hate the class. The same goes for any class currently succeeding in the meta. 

Nerfing massive amounts of cards is also very lazy game design since it adds nothing new to the game and doesn't address weaknesses and flaws in other classes/decks/cards that will still be there after a plethora of nerfs. For example, you can nerf paladin, rogue, lock, and druid all you want in the current meta, but it won't change the fact that priest and shaman basic and classic sets are very weak. It also won't change the fact that no new aoe cards are being added to classes that lack them (such as hunter, rogue, and druid).

Taking things away from the game may change things, but it doesn't add anything new to lead the game in a better direction.

 

 

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wishlist demand list:

• Spiteful Summoner is unplayable; the only viable Druid archetype is taunt/ramp based
• Doomguard cannot be put into play without avoiding the battlecry
• CTA has a downside
• Team 5 vows to stop printing early neutrals that are better than class cards
• Team 5 vows to print class cards that aren't simply neutral epics in disguise and only see play as niche/fringe cards
• Tarim has a downside or is changed (cost increased?)
• Spiteful Summoner becomes completely unrecognizable
• Casual stops rewarding gold
• Spiteful Summoner is deleted or the employee who created it is fired

These are my wishes demands. 

 I hate taunt druid too I think that archetype is just like some kind of broken N'zoth.
Agree 100% about Doomguard. Also Cube could be changed to summon the same minion for both players, or just one minion.
CTA is hard because I don't think it should belong in odd paladin, (eg change to 5 mana) and at 6 mana it's lost it's purpose. Perhaps give it the chance to summon between 1-3 (2) cost or lower minions?
Agree in general that classes have better quality specific cards although arguably cubelock is that, and look how broken that is.
I actually think Tarim is ok, he's balanced in midrange Paladin (although that's not an archetype now) he feels OP now because of all the board flood from odd/even paladin. He certainly shouldn't be discoverable in odd paladin that should change. Tarim is hard because midrange paladin is one of my all time favourite decks and it would be a shame to see the chance to play it nerfed.
Spiteful needs a big change, it should be 1/1 to begin with (Like big -time racketeer) and change it so it summons a spell between 1-"card xx cost"
Agree also that some employees need firing or retraining based on what they put out in this expac. Or at least some more public hand holding up by Blizzard, it would be real nice to hear them say "ok, we fucked up, spiteful was ridiculous and should not have been released, have a free pack on us"

Is it weird that I just don't want to kill the same 5 mana Void Lord not once, not twice, but more than six times (cube + Gul'Dan + all those additional void walkers in between)?

I just want silence effects to remove the demon tag,  at least. Then other nerfs might not even be needed.

I want valuestone, not dead by turn 6 stone. I want a chance to play my cards before I lose.

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Is it weird that I just don't want to kill the same 5 mana Void Lord not once, not twice, but more than six times (cube + Gul'Dan + all those additional void walkers in between)?

I just want silence effects to remove the demon tag,  at least. Then other nerfs might not even be needed.

 

 That wouldn't even help much. as the cube would still bring the demon tag back. 

 On that note, when the text on cube says summon 2 copies, it should be 2 exact copies as in: If you cube a voidlord with 1 health left, it should bring back 2x voidlord with 1 health. If you cube a silenced lackey, it should bring back 2x silenced lackeys.

 

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Is it weird that I just don't want to kill the same 5 mana Void Lord not once, not twice, but more than six times (cube + Gul'Dan + all those additional void walkers in between)?

I just want silence effects to remove the demon tag,  at least. Then other nerfs might not even be needed.