So I have been messing around with a bloodlust deck lately (as well as dragon and banana shaman) and have had mixed results. I tend to either blow out my opponent or I might as well concede turn 5 because I am getting smoked. I know that Pally can be a hard match-up (Lightning Storm is sometimes great but man does that overload kill if you have to drop it early).
SO not to get into too much of the "shaman is terrible right now" but more which deck do you feel is most consistent? I originally was planning on trying to run Shaman all of November but I just don't see it getting me anywhere on the ladder. I may just run a mech Shaman for quick wins and if I lose I know that I will lose quickly but for me midrange or bloodlust just seems to stall out too much.
As for the deck in question, I think I have 'overteched' it slowly my switching out cards has made it unplayable. I only have The Mistcaller for shaman legendaries but have a lot of the other neutrals, any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
shaman relies so much on early board control. if you don't have it you lose. if you have the board with some good draws you can win.
it's the worst class in the game. coming back in the game without cards on the board almost never happens. still it's the most fun class i had with hearthstone. (if the RNG allows it)
The class is fine probably among the strongest. Look at the Blizzcon tournament atm, 2 players brought shaman where as priest is hardly represented at all. While it might be slightly less played than paladin its just a L2P issue. Shaman has so many tools and good cards at its disposal anyone that says other wise doesn't understand how good the class really is. Mech Shaman has been in the meta forever too, the ATLC had plenty of mech shaman in it also. TGT was a huge boon for shaman with totem golem and tuskar totemic.
The class is fine probably among the strongest. Look at the Blizzcon tournament atm, 2 players brought shaman where as priest is hardly represented at all. While it might be slightly less played than paladin its just a L2P issue. Shaman has so many tools and good cards at its disposal anyone that says other wise doesn't understand how good the class really is. Mech Shaman has been in the meta forever too, the ATLC had plenty of mech shaman in it also. TGT was a huge boon for shaman with totem golem and tuskar totemic.
It 'was' a bloodlust deck, but thats why I am starting to think that I overteched my deck and need to reset it by dropping cards that probably don't fit.
The class is fine probably among the strongest. Look at the Blizzcon tournament atm, 2 players brought shaman where as priest is hardly represented at all. While it might be slightly less played than paladin its just a L2P issue. Shaman has so many tools and good cards at its disposal anyone that says other wise doesn't understand how good the class really is. Mech Shaman has been in the meta forever too, the ATLC had plenty of mech shaman in it also. TGT was a huge boon for shaman with totem golem and tuskar totemic.
I may bring back out the ol' mech shaman deck that I was using when I first started playing (around BRM launch) but is there a 'better deck' that I should be running? I found that most of the other deck types aside from Bloodlust [/card](or [card]Mukla's Champion) really require some combo of Al'ikar Nep or doomhammer.
Should I just save the dust to craft those and run something else in the meantime?
If it is just a L2Play noob kinda thing, are there any good streamers or youtubers that play a lot of shaman that you watch?
The class is fine probably among the strongest. Look at the Blizzcon tournament atm, 2 players brought shaman where as priest is hardly represented at all. While it might be slightly less played than paladin its just a L2P issue. Shaman has so many tools and good cards at its disposal anyone that says other wise doesn't understand how good the class really is. Mech Shaman has been in the meta forever too, the ATLC had plenty of mech shaman in it also. TGT was a huge boon for shaman with totem golem and tuskar totemic.
While the class can be successful it may require the most skill, along with Rogue, to play. Do not believe this poster since he clearly does not know what make this class weak. He is not wrong in stating that Shaman has many great tools at its disposal, but many of those tools have Overload which is what makes the class weak in this face paced/tempo driven meta. Knowing how to play with overload is difficult and often creates more of a tempo loss versus gain. You can also check TempoStorm or LiquidHearth for their rankings of decks/classes (spoiler: Shaman is at the bottom).
Your deck seems similar to Bloodlust decks that are currently popular. When you start adding tech cards to your deck it generally loses a little consistency and that may be the only thing that I could offer as being a reason for your struggles outside of the class being generally weak.
Hard class to learn to play well, rng can screw over you and if your deck isn't really good it is hard to win versus this meta. For those saying the class is bad and not worth playing, Thanks! makes it easier for me to win since people dont know how to play against my deck =)
The class is fine probably among the strongest. Look at the Blizzcon tournament atm, 2 players brought shaman where as priest is hardly represented at all. While it might be slightly less played than paladin its just a L2P issue. Shaman has so many tools and good cards at its disposal anyone that says other wise doesn't understand how good the class really is. Mech Shaman has been in the meta forever too, the ATLC had plenty of mech shaman in it also. TGT was a huge boon for shaman with totem golem and tuskar totemic.
While the class can be successful it may require the most skill, along with Rogue, to play. Do not believe this poster since he clearly does not know what make this class weak. He is not wrong in stating that Shaman has many great tools at its disposal, but many of those tools have Overload which is what makes the class weak in this face paced/tempo driven meta. Knowing how to play with overload is difficult and often creates more of a tempo loss versus gain. You can also check TempoStorm or LiquidHearth for their rankings of decks/classes (spoiler: Shaman is at the bottom).
Your deck seems similar to Bloodlust decks that are currently popular. When you start adding tech cards to your deck it generally loses a little consistency and that may be the only thing that I could offer as being a reason for your struggles outside of the class being generally weak.
You can try this list that I run, it got me to rank 24 legend and <200 legend at the end of last season. This season I didn't play much in legend, only played 4 games and went 3-1 (won a game vs tempo storm member gaara that played druid though)
Since you don't have neptulon and al akir, you can run doomhammer and dr boom, but that will probably make the deck different in playstyle and matchups, deck may be worse or better depending on what you face.
If you only face hunters, I would suggest running some other list until you get to ranks where there are less hunters, since you can't go better than 50-50 vs them. I played through those ranks with this, but it wasn't easy.
I find this deck more consistent than bloodlust, mech and mukla shaman because you have a chance to win when you start losing. Deck also doesn't run out of steam vs control, and wins in a slightly different way then those 3, by outgrinding opponent's removal and threats.
Last season I had ooze instead of 1 creeper because of warriors. 1bgh was a 2nd tuskar, but I believe I should have played 1 bgh then too.
The class is fine probably among the strongest. Look at the Blizzcon tournament atm, 2 players brought shaman where as priest is hardly represented at all. While it might be slightly less played than paladin its just a L2P issue. Shaman has so many tools and good cards at its disposal anyone that says other wise doesn't understand how good the class really is. Mech Shaman has been in the meta forever too, the ATLC had plenty of mech shaman in it also. TGT was a huge boon for shaman with totem golem and tuskar totemic.
While the class can be successful it may require the most skill, along with Rogue, to play. Do not believe this poster since he clearly does not know what make this class weak. He is not wrong in stating that Shaman has many great tools at its disposal, but many of those tools have Overload which is what makes the class weak in this face paced/tempo driven meta. Knowing how to play with overload is difficult and often creates more of a tempo loss versus gain. You can also check TempoStorm or LiquidHearth for their rankings of decks/classes (spoiler: Shaman is at the bottom).
Your deck seems similar to Bloodlust decks that are currently popular. When you start adding tech cards to your deck it generally loses a little consistency and that may be the only thing that I could offer as being a reason for your struggles outside of the class being generally weak.
Hard class to learn to play well, rng can screw over you and if your deck isn't really good it is hard to win versus this meta. For those saying the class is bad and not worth playing, Thanks! makes it easier for me to win since people dont know how to play against my deck =)
Hard class to learn to play well, rng can screw over you and if your deck isn't really good it is hard to win versus this meta. For those saying the class is bad and not worth playing, Thanks! makes it easier for me to win since people dont know how to play against my deck =)
Hard class to learn to play well, rng can screw over you and if your deck isn't really good it is hard to win versus this meta. For those saying the class is bad and not worth playing, Thanks! makes it easier for me to win since people dont know how to play against my deck =)
There will always be a very small amount of people who will say "nahh, shaman is great!" But those people will never share why or try to help their shaman brethren because in this game sharing information is similar to how certain jobs work. You keep all your business/job secrets to yourself so you can climb the ladder unimpeded instead of sharing that knowledge and trying to make the company better as a whole. So yea, maybe the real reality is that shaman is this sick OP class that could get 99% win rate if just piloted correctly, but 99.99999% of people will never know how to do it because that information is closely guarded and unavailable to the majority. Either that, or those few who do well with shaman have suffered thousands of horrible games to slowly over time learn how to play, but not really learn, it's just a feeling they have that they can't put into words because they themselves don't even understand it. That's just bad game design if that's how it really is.
So I have been messing around with a bloodlust deck lately (as well as dragon and banana shaman) and have had mixed results. I tend to either blow out my opponent or I might as well concede turn 5 because I am getting smoked. I know that Pally can be a hard match-up (Lightning Storm is sometimes great but man does that overload kill if you have to drop it early).
SO not to get into too much of the "shaman is terrible right now" but more which deck do you feel is most consistent? I originally was planning on trying to run Shaman all of November but I just don't see it getting me anywhere on the ladder. I may just run a mech Shaman for quick wins and if I lose I know that I will lose quickly but for me midrange or bloodlust just seems to stall out too much.
As for the deck in question, I think I have 'overteched' it slowly my switching out cards has made it unplayable. I only have The Mistcaller for shaman legendaries but have a lot of the other neutrals, any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
The class is terrible, actually.
The sad truth is that Shaman is easily the weakest class. It's not just you.
shaman relies so much on early board control. if you don't have it you lose. if you have the board with some good draws you can win.
it's the worst class in the game. coming back in the game without cards on the board almost never happens. still it's the most fun class i had with hearthstone. (if the RNG allows it)
Its 2 bloodlusts the're bad dude
The class is fine probably among the strongest. Look at the Blizzcon tournament atm, 2 players brought shaman where as priest is hardly represented at all. While it might be slightly less played than paladin its just a L2P issue. Shaman has so many tools and good cards at its disposal anyone that says other wise doesn't understand how good the class really is. Mech Shaman has been in the meta forever too, the ATLC had plenty of mech shaman in it also. TGT was a huge boon for shaman with totem golem and tuskar totemic.
the deck is not bad. it's actually pretty good. but it's shaman.
http://www.hearthpwn.com/forums/class-discussion/shaman/54146-shaman-spells-overload
Hard class to learn to play well, rng can screw over you and if your deck isn't really good it is hard to win versus this meta. For those saying the class is bad and not worth playing, Thanks! makes it easier for me to win since people dont know how to play against my deck =)
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Surprise!
You can try this list that I run, it got me to rank 24 legend and <200 legend at the end of last season. This season I didn't play much in legend, only played 4 games and went 3-1 (won a game vs tempo storm member gaara that played druid though)
Since you don't have neptulon and al akir, you can run doomhammer and dr boom, but that will probably make the deck different in playstyle and matchups, deck may be worse or better depending on what you face.
If you only face hunters, I would suggest running some other list until you get to ranks where there are less hunters, since you can't go better than 50-50 vs them. I played through those ranks with this, but it wasn't easy.
I find this deck more consistent than bloodlust, mech and mukla shaman because you have a chance to win when you start losing. Deck also doesn't run out of steam vs control, and wins in a slightly different way then those 3, by outgrinding opponent's removal and threats.
Last season I had ooze instead of 1 creeper because of warriors. 1bgh was a 2nd tuskar, but I believe I should have played 1 bgh then too.
In this thread there is some discussion about the deck and proof for rank 24 legend : http://www.hearthpwn.com/forums/class-discussion/shaman/65745-first-time-legend-midrange-shaman
https://tempostorm.com/hearthstone/meta-snapshot/meta-snapshot-35-5000-patrons-in-the-wind
wow knew shaman was the worse class and that conccurs with what i've been running against even though it's my favorite class.
good to know. thx a lot for the links.
Surprise!
There will always be a very small amount of people who will say "nahh, shaman is great!" But those people will never share why or try to help their shaman brethren because in this game sharing information is similar to how certain jobs work. You keep all your business/job secrets to yourself so you can climb the ladder unimpeded instead of sharing that knowledge and trying to make the company better as a whole. So yea, maybe the real reality is that shaman is this sick OP class that could get 99% win rate if just piloted correctly, but 99.99999% of people will never know how to do it because that information is closely guarded and unavailable to the majority. Either that, or those few who do well with shaman have suffered thousands of horrible games to slowly over time learn how to play, but not really learn, it's just a feeling they have that they can't put into words because they themselves don't even understand it. That's just bad game design if that's how it really is.
Bad deck+ bad class. You definitely need double Totem Golem, double Zombie Chow, double Lightning Storm