I believe freeze shaman is better but isnt strong enough to finish games. for examble, Elemental shaman is aggresive enough to beat your enemies in fast paste. otk shaman finishes your oponent in the end. Freeze shaman kinda just stays alive while putting easily clearable minions and BruBru'kan of the Elements isnt strong enough of a finisher card. Lets somewhat try to compare to other hero cards on the same cost please: Magister Dawngrasp is little bit under brukan but can snow ball and kill the opponent.
but the point is, i think brukan hero power alone isnt enough to beat the game, even if you have the bear that summons elementals, they get sweeped away atleast right now.
So for the meta, i think elemental aggro shaman is two way to go if people try to beat ranked.
Maybe Bru'kan isn't supposed to be the win condition for that deck. I was assuming it was more about Bearon Gla'shear and macaws creating wave after wave of minions. I mean, sure, Bru'kan can help, but these other cards obviously create a lot more value a lot faster.
Maybe Bru'kan isn't supposed to be the win condition for that deck. I was assuming it was more about Bearon Gla'shear and macaws creating wave after wave of minions. I mean, sure, Bru'kan can help, but these other cards obviously create a lot more value a lot faster.
You have a good point. I Just think that, even if you use macaw to have more boards. you would still need to use a good amount of frost spells, draw the bear and get the macaws afterwards. I tried to play yshar macaw otk and it works okish, again, drawing cards can be little bit hecktic and surviving till the end.
Bru'kan of the Elements doesn't require any set up or a lot of synergy to be good, while many other hero cards do. You can just slide him into any control shaman deck and it will be decent. It is logical for him to be decent at best as he is flexible, a jack of all trades.
In contradiction, many hero cards have very narrow applications:
- Xyrella, the Devout, only viable in deathrattle lists. In addition, only playable in game after you have played a decent amount of high-value deathrattles.
- Magister Dawngrasp, only playable in a mage deck with multiple spells, which have diffrent spell schools AND high enough value.
-Wildheart Guff, good play on curve. You need to build your deck around this card. Most control decks don't benefit that much from having 20 mana to spend per turn.
I think Bru'kan of the Elements is good but you need a win condition. Alone it doesn't do shit.
I am trying it out as a control card in different combo decks together with some freeze mechanics but not the whole freeze package. It does increase your win rate but I doubt it is going to make it to tier 2 even.
Playing Freeze shaman since launch (currently diamond rank 2) : I think it's strong enough, although it feels like a slow grind deck with lots of anti aggro tool.
Brilliant Macaw, Bearon Gla'shear and Snowfall Guardian are really strong, for constant board freeze and multiple waves of minions. I've won several games just by freezing a full board multiple turns in a row vs pirate warriors, paladin, and aggro druid.
I also think people are sleeping on Wildpaw Cavern . It's usualy good enough be considered a slightly toned down water elemental on its first turn, and on the following turn you can get some nice tempo burst with other cards.
Cheaty Snobold feels bad, but it made me win games more often than not, so it might be a much better card than it looks, despite being stuck in your hand most of the time because you can't combo it
Not sure whats the optimal list yet, but my list is really close to the default Frost Bites! deck list (i've just cut glaciate, harpy, dunk tank and investment opportunity, for devolving missiles, lurker below, canal slogger and Macaw)
Update : i'm now Legend, playing exclusively freeze shaman from diamond 5, Not sure if it will stands the test of time, but right now the deck is fire.
I believe freeze shaman is better but isnt strong enough to finish games.
for examble, Elemental shaman is aggresive enough to beat your enemies in fast paste.
otk shaman finishes your oponent in the end.
Freeze shaman kinda just stays alive while putting easily clearable minions and BruBru'kan of the Elements isnt strong enough of a finisher card.
Lets somewhat try to compare to other hero cards on the same cost please: Magister Dawngrasp is little bit under brukan but can snow ball and kill the opponent.
Shadowreaper Anduin we already know.
Xyrella, the Devout gives allot deathrattle value and heals and deals damage constantly.
Hagatha the Witch endless amounts of spells as long you play minions.
Scourgelord Garrosh he just sucks.
but the point is, i think brukan hero power alone isnt enough to beat the game, even if you have the bear that summons elementals, they get sweeped away atleast right now.
So for the meta, i think elemental aggro shaman is two way to go if people try to beat ranked.
Now, im open eared to your thoughts.
Maybe Bru'kan isn't supposed to be the win condition for that deck. I was assuming it was more about Bearon Gla'shear and macaws creating wave after wave of minions. I mean, sure, Bru'kan can help, but these other cards obviously create a lot more value a lot faster.
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You have a good point. I Just think that, even if you use macaw to have more boards. you would still need to use a good amount of frost spells, draw the bear and get the macaws afterwards.
I tried to play yshar macaw otk and it works okish, again, drawing cards can be little bit hecktic and surviving till the end.
Just pushed from gold to diamond 3 with freeze shammy. When it gets going its solid great card draw too.
the tools are good but the archetype is not
this is what i try to say.
I'm playing freeze shaman with 78% winrate for now (7-2). Seems really strong for climbing
Bru'kan of the Elements doesn't require any set up or a lot of synergy to be good, while many other hero cards do. You can just slide him into any control shaman deck and it will be decent. It is logical for him to be decent at best as he is flexible, a jack of all trades.
In contradiction, many hero cards have very narrow applications:
- Xyrella, the Devout, only viable in deathrattle lists. In addition, only playable in game after you have played a decent amount of high-value deathrattles.
- Magister Dawngrasp, only playable in a mage deck with multiple spells, which have diffrent spell schools AND high enough value.
-Wildheart Guff, good play on curve. You need to build your deck around this card. Most control decks don't benefit that much from having 20 mana to spend per turn.
I think Bru'kan of the Elements is good but you need a win condition. Alone it doesn't do shit.
I am trying it out as a control card in different combo decks together with some freeze mechanics but not the whole freeze package. It does increase your win rate but I doubt it is going to make it to tier 2 even.
Playing Freeze shaman since launch (currently diamond rank 2) : I think it's strong enough, although it feels like a slow grind deck with lots of anti aggro tool.
Brilliant Macaw, Bearon Gla'shear and Snowfall Guardian are really strong, for constant board freeze and multiple waves of minions. I've won several games just by freezing a full board multiple turns in a row vs pirate warriors, paladin, and aggro druid.
I think Bru'kan of the Elements is good enough to make the cut.
I also think people are sleeping on Wildpaw Cavern . It's usualy good enough be considered a slightly toned down water elemental on its first turn, and on the following turn you can get some nice tempo burst with other cards.
Cheaty Snobold feels bad, but it made me win games more often than not, so it might be a much better card than it looks, despite being stuck in your hand most of the time because you can't combo it
Not sure whats the optimal list yet, but my list is really close to the default Frost Bites! deck list (i've just cut glaciate, harpy, dunk tank and investment opportunity, for devolving missiles, lurker below, canal slogger and Macaw)
Update : i'm now Legend, playing exclusively freeze shaman from diamond 5, Not sure if it will stands the test of time, but right now the deck is fire.
Congratulations Blizzard, you've finally made Freeze Shaman viable! Now you can move on to your next project, the Demon Druid!
Oh, how I missed having my board frozen for 5 turns in a row. Thanks, team5!
Seeing how I already made 3 people ragequit by playing freeze shaman, I suspect this could end up as the next rage deck unfortunately D: