Wtf dude, it's weak af... Every AOE could beat this deck, from Defile (the best) to any other AOE spell! Just play around it's card and take on pressure your oppo...
No offense, but that's not how you start a thread. Why do you think it's OP? Lay down your thoughts so people can have a discussion. Not just whine that something needs a nerf without any substantiation.
Token druid is definitely pretty good right now. With Branching Paths, druid now essentially has 4 Savage Roars, which means that letting the druid keep a wide board for even a single turn is pretty terrifying. Not only that, with Wispering Woods and Spreading Plague, not to mention being able to pull out Violet Teacher with Oaken Summons means plenty of opportunities to go wide on the board. And pretty sure your opponent can clear easily? Soul of the Forest means they have to clear a wide board TWICE in one turn.
I don't think it needs a nerf. Control decks need to know the matchup and as a control deck, should have enough clears. After all, the boards are usually pretty easy to clear (alhtough Soul of the Forest can be problematic). Aggro should do what aggro always does. I think it's combo decks that don't run enough taunts, healing, and clears that need to worry. Stuff like shudderwock shaman. Token druid can simply do too much damage in one turn, and refill the board a few too many times for shaman to handle.
That being said, some decks being very good against other decks is the nature of the game. The deck itself in not oppressing the meta and warping it. If it starts doing that, then we can talk about nerfs.
Nope. It's a decent deck but really easy to counter. I tried it for awhile and just got destroyed by taunt warriors with warpath and priests with psychic scream almost every game.
It is a strong deck that relies on the opponent not having their aoe by turn 4-5. If they don't have the aoe clear, and you manage to get Soul of the Forest, yes it can feel hopeless haha. But other than that, it's fine. People just need to stop mulliganing as if they're against a slower taunt druid lol.
As if aoe silence is the only way. Defile, Psychic Scream, double Hellfire, Unleash the Hounds + Explosive Trap, Vanish, Warpath, shall I go on? Pressure them enough and you can even use your board to clear their board. Ever considered that? You're complaining about their big win condition turn, but as bad as it may feel, remember that it requires them to draw and set-up into it. Wispering Woods into Soul of the Forest is a two card combo. After they still need to buff the cards, usually twice. They need four cards to pull off their win condition at least. Pressure them enough and they'll have a hard time finding the time to pull it off safely.
Soul,of the forest + whispering woods = next turn free win with savage roar
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As much as I disagree with the OP, you do realize that Defile isn't a neutral card right? If the OP doesn't play warlock, you're not exactly helping anyone by stating one class exclusive counter to a game winning combo.
Soul,of the forest + whispering woods = next turn free win with savage roar
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As much as I disagree with the OP, you do realize that Defile isn't a neutral card right? If the OP doesn't play warlock, you're not exactly helping anyone by stating one class exclusive counter to a game winning combo.
As other said, there are a lot of cards/tech to destroy this kind of Druid. You are right, i'm just talking about the perfect one
People just need to stop mulliganing as if they're against a slower taunt druid lol.
What does this mean? My english is bad.
You mean at beginning of the game when we are mulligan, we should keep aoe cards in our hand when playing against token druid and taunt druid?
You should analyze the meta and think about your match at your rank. If you encounter a lot of taunt druid, mulligan for them. If you encounter a lot of Token Druid, you should keep in mind that you have to keep your AOE at mulligan.
It's hard as prediction but it's important the knowledge of the meta.
Tell me how mage gonna react at the soul of the forest whispering woods combo without frost nova.
Defile defile? And next turn your opponent do that combo again, how you gonna react now? There are no more defile dont tell me double hellfire
You need to keep in mind that that is the only winning combo they have. All you need to do to beat any token druid is deny that combo twice (at most). If it was super easy to counter both times it wouldn't even be a viable deck. I mean I get it, you don't like combos, but you can't just demand nerfs of everything you don't like (outside of the salt thread).
Wtf dude, it's weak af... Every AOE could beat this deck, from Defile (the best) to any other AOE spell! Just play around it's card and take on pressure your oppo...
Dude this isn't a deck that need a nerf, pls stop
Defile wont clear the treants though surely? You would probably need to follow up with a hellfire or something.
I havent seen it on ladder much to get a real feel for its strength yet.. but it isnt currently a Tier 1 deck (according to VS) for nothing, so it must be doing something right.
On a side note, people said Dude Paladin was weak becuase of Defile etc - and that decked wrecked dreams for a while! :-P
I'm actually not sure any deck needs a nerf right now. There are so many playable decks that are also successful that I'm scared Blizzard will do something to mess it up. This right now is quite possibly the most balanced I've ever seen HS.
I actually agree a lot. It's a shame they waited as long as they did for the nerfs that just happened haha. The meta might be just a little bit too slow for my liking (thanks to taunt druid, big spell mage, quest priest, quest warrior), but it is very balanced.
I wonder what broken deck will come out in the next expansion. Thankfully it's still a couple months away haha.
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Wtf dude, it's weak af... Every AOE could beat this deck, from Defile (the best) to any other AOE spell!
Just play around it's card and take on pressure your oppo...
Dude this isn't a deck that need a nerf, pls stop
Leper Gnome
great post! Detailed and well thought out!
No offense, but that's not how you start a thread. Why do you think it's OP? Lay down your thoughts so people can have a discussion. Not just whine that something needs a nerf without any substantiation.
Token druid is definitely pretty good right now. With Branching Paths, druid now essentially has 4 Savage Roars, which means that letting the druid keep a wide board for even a single turn is pretty terrifying. Not only that, with Wispering Woods and Spreading Plague, not to mention being able to pull out Violet Teacher with Oaken Summons means plenty of opportunities to go wide on the board. And pretty sure your opponent can clear easily? Soul of the Forest means they have to clear a wide board TWICE in one turn.
I don't think it needs a nerf. Control decks need to know the matchup and as a control deck, should have enough clears. After all, the boards are usually pretty easy to clear (alhtough Soul of the Forest can be problematic). Aggro should do what aggro always does. I think it's combo decks that don't run enough taunts, healing, and clears that need to worry. Stuff like shudderwock shaman. Token druid can simply do too much damage in one turn, and refill the board a few too many times for shaman to handle.
That being said, some decks being very good against other decks is the nature of the game. The deck itself in not oppressing the meta and warping it. If it starts doing that, then we can talk about nerfs.
Nope. It's a decent deck but really easy to counter. I tried it for awhile and just got destroyed by taunt warriors with warpath and priests with psychic scream almost every game.
Soul,of the forest + whispering woods = next turn free win with savage roar
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Only priest has aoe silence
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It is a strong deck that relies on the opponent not having their aoe by turn 4-5. If they don't have the aoe clear, and you manage to get Soul of the Forest, yes it can feel hopeless haha. But other than that, it's fine. People just need to stop mulliganing as if they're against a slower taunt druid lol.
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Leper Gnome
As if aoe silence is the only way. Defile, Psychic Scream, double Hellfire, Unleash the Hounds + Explosive Trap, Vanish, Warpath, shall I go on? Pressure them enough and you can even use your board to clear their board. Ever considered that? You're complaining about their big win condition turn, but as bad as it may feel, remember that it requires them to draw and set-up into it. Wispering Woods into Soul of the Forest is a two card combo. After they still need to buff the cards, usually twice. They need four cards to pull off their win condition at least. Pressure them enough and they'll have a hard time finding the time to pull it off safely.
As much as I disagree with the OP, you do realize that Defile isn't a neutral card right? If the OP doesn't play warlock, you're not exactly helping anyone by stating one class exclusive counter to a game winning combo.
Play basically any version of warrior with warpath and watch them insta-concede almost every time.
Also the salt thread is up there ^^^
What does this mean? My english is bad.
You mean at beginning of the game when we are mulligan, we should keep aoe cards in our hand when playing against token druid and taunt druid?
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As other said, there are a lot of cards/tech to destroy this kind of Druid. You are right, i'm just talking about the perfect one
Leper Gnome
Tell me how mage gonna react at the soul of the forest whispering woods combo without frost nova.
Defile defile? And next turn your opponent do that combo again, how you gonna react now? There are no more defile dont tell me double hellfire
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You should analyze the meta and think about your match at your rank. If you encounter a lot of taunt druid, mulligan for them.
If you encounter a lot of Token Druid, you should keep in mind that you have to keep your AOE at mulligan.
It's hard as prediction but it's important the knowledge of the meta.
Leper Gnome
You need to keep in mind that that is the only winning combo they have. All you need to do to beat any token druid is deny that combo twice (at most). If it was super easy to counter both times it wouldn't even be a viable deck. I mean I get it, you don't like combos, but you can't just demand nerfs of everything you don't like (outside of the salt thread).
Defile wont clear the treants though surely? You would probably need to follow up with a hellfire or something.
I havent seen it on ladder much to get a real feel for its strength yet.. but it isnt currently a Tier 1 deck (according to VS) for nothing, so it must be doing something right.
On a side note, people said Dude Paladin was weak becuase of Defile etc - and that decked wrecked dreams for a while! :-P
1 defile for every combo.
If he put 2 times the combo, you use 2 defile and you clear the board two times.
Leper Gnome
I actually agree a lot. It's a shame they waited as long as they did for the nerfs that just happened haha. The meta might be just a little bit too slow for my liking (thanks to taunt druid, big spell mage, quest priest, quest warrior), but it is very balanced.
I wonder what broken deck will come out in the next expansion. Thankfully it's still a couple months away haha.
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