I opened Moorabi today and was wondering if a Freeze Shaman is worth a small investment (+/- 1000 dust)? I since KotFT had a lot of freeze cards and the archetype still is weak, im not sure if it will receive any buff/support in the future.
Keep and make a Freeze Shaman, keep and wait, or dust?
No. It's a terrible trap archetype that doesn't stand a chance. It relies way too much on literally doing nothing. No matter what win condition you have in mind for Shaman, there are far more efficient ways of getting there.
That said, I wouldn't dust it unless you are 100 percent sure you will never open another pack from the set.
it's probably one of the worst decks I've ever tried making work. Not only is the Freeze support in Shaman AWFUL, but the entire goal of the deck is pointless.
Basically waht they expect you to do with Moorabi is use it at 10-mana together with lots of smaller freeze effects (Like Glacial Shard or Frost Shock) and use that to copy valuable enemy minions, OR you use Cryostasis on something like a discounted Snowfury Giant or Thing from below to swarm the board with those.
However, not only is all of this incredibly convoluted and hard to pull off (other than Moorabi and maybe ICebreaker there is literally no other synergy in the entire archetype that could be considered a "win condition") and at the same time you have to fill the deck with subpar spells and minions to eventually get some vague benefit.
At this point Overload Spellstone Shaman is way more likely to produce a consistent deck than Moorabi. Why do you think Freeze Shaman didn't get a single support card this expansion. They obviously realized how awful that archetype and just dropped it entirely...which is honestly the best choice.
Just keep Moorabi around until he rotates and then just dust him.
I would wait. Who knows what could come from the next set. The type of deck does require some help in either really good battlecry minions or other benefits from freezing your own minions. Perhaps if somrthing made your frozen minions immune to damage.
The other part of the problem atm is it relies a lot on Moorabi. If the deck is ever to become viable, it needs other key cards to benefit or work with the freeze effect somehow.
To be honest, Moorabi is just so bad even if they gave Freeze Shaman the Priest treatment and printed nothing but broken cards for them for like a year, you wouldn't play him in there.
I actually like the idea of Freeze Shaman, but I hate the direction they were going with it. Moorabi and Cryostasis are trash, but the other Freeze cards would be decent if we had a few strong synergy cards to go with them.
Tried this archetype a lot, but no reasonable output... I can post a deck code once I am back home, but it is just for the lulz at this time. I hope for some more freeze shaman cards in the future... not dusting him.
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I think Freeze Shaman could work as a control archetype with the proper support, but even then, you'd need to get rid of Moorabi and all the self-freezing cards to even stand a chance.
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Just played different Freeze Shaman - with DK - and the opponent conceded after I played Raza and fourth Kazakus I stole from him thanks to 4 Moorabis - made with Spellstone. Fifth Moorabi - in gold thanks to Zola - was waiting in the hand with Glacial Shard :D
I actually like the idea of Freeze Shaman, but I hate the direction they were going with it. Moorabi and Cryostasis are trash, but the other Freeze cards would be decent if we had a few strong synergy cards to go with them.
Why so much hate for Cryostasis? It's actually pretty great to use it on any 0-health minion since they immediately unfreeze at the end of your turn. So, turn one would be Shieldbearer or Wax Elemental and turn 2 is Cryostatis (since very few classes can kill either of those on turn 1 or with the coin. The best defense against it is Devolve after you have played Cryostatis. Then, on turn 2, you either have a 3/5 taunt (possibly with Divine Shield) or a 3/7 taunt (or maybe 3/6, 3/5, or 3/4). Sure, it can still be dealt with, but the high health on turn 2 still makes it stick.
It really is more of a defensive card, since you do freeze the minion, but the gain in stats is hard to beat for the mana cost.
If they could make a 3 mana cost freeze all minions on the board, and a 1 mana cost Cold snap, destroy all frozen minions. We would be talkin business. But that sounds broken since you wouldn't run him with it. You would just run that for a 4 mana wave clear. Why bother trying to steal their stuff when you can go for a bloodlust combo and clear, or just clear and go big next pla
Moorabi would be a sweet mage card though, since they have Blizzard, and the frost nova and frost bolt and destroy a frozen minion.
What would be super cool would be an ice age card, where you devolve a minion that you freeze. Since devolve is disappearing and warlock is busted right now. But I would also be frustrated at this card lol... I honestly don't know warlock and small paladin are basically the only playable stuff right now because of warlock -.-
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I opened Moorabi today and was wondering if a Freeze Shaman is worth a small investment (+/- 1000 dust)? I since KotFT had a lot of freeze cards and the archetype still is weak, im not sure if it will receive any buff/support in the future.
Keep and make a Freeze Shaman, keep and wait, or dust?
No. It's a terrible trap archetype that doesn't stand a chance. It relies way too much on literally doing nothing. No matter what win condition you have in mind for Shaman, there are far more efficient ways of getting there.
That said, I wouldn't dust it unless you are 100 percent sure you will never open another pack from the set.
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I'm still holding onto mine because I still have some hope for it in the future.
If they gave Shamans a low-cost aoe freeze spell; even if it froze both enemy and friendly minions, it would be a potential start.
it's probably one of the worst decks I've ever tried making work. Not only is the Freeze support in Shaman AWFUL, but the entire goal of the deck is pointless.
Basically waht they expect you to do with Moorabi is use it at 10-mana together with lots of smaller freeze effects (Like Glacial Shard or Frost Shock) and use that to copy valuable enemy minions, OR you use Cryostasis on something like a discounted Snowfury Giant or Thing from below to swarm the board with those.
However, not only is all of this incredibly convoluted and hard to pull off (other than Moorabi and maybe ICebreaker there is literally no other synergy in the entire archetype that could be considered a "win condition") and at the same time you have to fill the deck with subpar spells and minions to eventually get some vague benefit.
At this point Overload Spellstone Shaman is way more likely to produce a consistent deck than Moorabi. Why do you think Freeze Shaman didn't get a single support card this expansion. They obviously realized how awful that archetype and just dropped it entirely...which is honestly the best choice.
Just keep Moorabi around until he rotates and then just dust him.
I tried having fun once. It was awful.
I would wait. Who knows what could come from the next set. The type of deck does require some help in either really good battlecry minions or other benefits from freezing your own minions. Perhaps if somrthing made your frozen minions immune to damage.
The other part of the problem atm is it relies a lot on Moorabi. If the deck is ever to become viable, it needs other key cards to benefit or work with the freeze effect somehow.
I opened a golden Moorabi and will hold on to him just in the hopes that Shaman gets an AoE Freeze effect.
To be honest, Moorabi is just so bad even if they gave Freeze Shaman the Priest treatment and printed nothing but broken cards for them for like a year, you wouldn't play him in there.
Ayy.
There isn't any working freeze shaman deck atm, may be in future, who knows.
Spirits be with you man !
It's not great but I found the best use of freeze is to run a small package with Brrrloc, Glacial Shard, Spirit Echo, Grumble, Worldshaker and Ice Breaker.
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I actually like the idea of Freeze Shaman, but I hate the direction they were going with it. Moorabi and Cryostasis are trash, but the other Freeze cards would be decent if we had a few strong synergy cards to go with them.
Tried this archetype a lot, but no reasonable output... I can post a deck code once I am back home, but it is just for the lulz at this time.
I hope for some more freeze shaman cards in the future... not dusting him.
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I think Freeze Shaman could work as a control archetype with the proper support, but even then, you'd need to get rid of Moorabi and all the self-freezing cards to even stand a chance.
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The deck in general is missing a win condition, how will i win without a win condition ? a deck with no win condition is usually a fun deck
### Freezaman
Standard
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# 2x (1) Frost Shock
# 2x (1) Glacial Shard
# 2x (2) Ancestral Spirit
# 2x (2) Brrrloc
# 2x (2) Cryostasis
# 1x (2) Devolve
# 1x (2) Dirty Rat
# 1x (3) Drakkari Defender
# 2x (3) Ice Breaker
# 2x (3) Lightning Storm
# 1x (3) Spirit Echo
# 1x (3) Unbound Elemental
# 2x (4) Avalanche
# 2x (4) Hex
# 1x (5) Doomhammer
# 1x (5) Faceless Manipulator
# 1x (5) Voodoo Hexxer
# 1x (6) Frozen Crusher
# 1x (6) Moorabi
# 1x (6) Thing from Below
# 1x (8) Marin the Fox
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This is the last list, but I would put in Zola the Gorgon and the spellstone(s)... will try
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Just played different Freeze Shaman - with DK - and the opponent conceded after I played Raza and fourth Kazakus I stole from him thanks to 4 Moorabis - made with Spellstone. Fifth Moorabi - in gold thanks to Zola - was waiting in the hand with Glacial Shard :D
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Quit complaining and just have fun with this game!
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To quote the expert of freeze himself, Melle Mel:
"Dont do it"
Anger is the punishment we give ourselves for someone else's mistake.
If they could make a 3 mana cost freeze all minions on the board, and a 1 mana cost Cold snap, destroy all frozen minions. We would be talkin business. But that sounds broken since you wouldn't run him with it. You would just run that for a 4 mana wave clear. Why bother trying to steal their stuff when you can go for a bloodlust combo and clear, or just clear and go big next pla
Moorabi would be a sweet mage card though, since they have Blizzard, and the frost nova and frost bolt and destroy a frozen minion.
What would be super cool would be an ice age card, where you devolve a minion that you freeze. Since devolve is disappearing and warlock is busted right now. But I would also be frustrated at this card lol... I honestly don't know warlock and small paladin are basically the only playable stuff right now because of warlock -.-
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Keep Moorabi, but also refrain from crafting for now.