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Love the name. Interesting effect, though I (like many others) am not sure I like Blizzard experimenting with this direction.

Saying that, the card is trash and people are massively overrating it. 

 If other cards with this mechanic being release? Alone this card don't scary too much but if have, let say, a 3/4 for 3 manas and a 5/4 for 4 manas with same kind of effect, anything than aggro will suffer for fatigue a lot faster, maybe this is a new archetype for warlocks...

Exactly, It might make warlock a viable deck option in the future, and I dont think there will be enough cards like this one to even be worried about tbh. Its just a cute mechanic. Now if the DK hero card has some effect like this, i think even then it wouldnt be to OP, but maybe hold back on making more cards like that for a bit. Dont need another Rogue Quest. 

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why not a demon

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why not a demon

 Because Blizzard hates me. They just don't care about me anymore :(

There is alot of confusion about this card. People don't understand that having less cards in your deck is actually a benefit to alot of decks.

As a warlock this battlecry is actually a negative. It thins your opponents deck for them. There is a small chance that you will cause them to discard a critical card but predominately this battlecry causes your opponent to get to the tools they need faster.

I feel like the controversy behind this card will bring more entertainment value than the card itself. 

I'm still gonna craft it though. Because I love some good RNG, whether I benefit from it, or die from it. 

Honestly fuck whoever designed this card and everything they stand for. This is disgusting and should never be allowed to exist.

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So basically a 2 mana do nothing?

Since Warlocks don't go for fatique, a card removed from the top of their deck is on average irrelevant. Sometimes you remove something strong, but usually you will remove something that they don't want to draw.

This only really hardcounters combo decks, and only if they have an reasonable amount of combo pieces.

This card is great in long games but useless against aggro or fast midrange, since they rarely draw more than 50% of their decks.

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 Pretty much every argument I have seen for or against this card is true in the opposite.

 

 That's actually the real argument against it. If every upside and every downside cancel each other out, in the end this card nets out as a vanilla 2 mana 2/3, which isn't awful, but it's certainly not going to be played. We've had river croc for years now, and warlock has never ran it, so why would they run it now?

41.2% of voters think meta defining. Almost half of hearthpwn see this card as say, rogue quest level of game warping. That's pretty interesting I think.

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This card is great in long games but useless against aggro or fast midrange, since they rarely draw more than 50% of their decks.

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This card is way too slow and will not see play. The effect is very poor. The body is poor as well. In order for a card to be worth something, we need direct damage Blizzard ... not something that makes it's effect known like several turns after you play it. This is just too slow to play and no direct damage to be worth it's slot.

I must stay ... really disappinted with cards thus far, seems like Blizzard are trying to turn this game into a snoozefest.

Wow, another expansion, another card to punish the slower decks.

Actually the effect on average isn't that good, you're still just destroying a random card - it could be a card that you needed on turn 4, but just as well it could have been a card that would stick around in your hand till turn nine or ten, which actually can improve your chances of survival.

But if you'll take into account decks like Jade Druid and Freeze Mage - anything you pull from those decks is a loss to them, many amongst those losses are absolutely devastating. Not to mention decks that relly on certain cards to win.

Dirty Rat at least has some risks, and can be played strategicallly, when you have a good read on your opponents hand - it's a tech card that has some rng, but controllable rng that when used outside a controled situation can backfire on you. Additionaly the devastating plays with Dirty Rat happen in mid to late game, when you are aware of the threat and can play your odds.

This - this is the worst design Hearthstone has ever seen - seeing this I hope that Warlock stays in the gutter for the next 2 years. A bloody uninteractive curve drop with the potential to loose the game for your opponent and make him rage quit on turn 2, while it gives you no satisfaction at all, as it involves no choice, no decission making, no skill. You just drop this turn 2 and spam some emotes. It's seeing cards like this that makes me question playing this game at all.

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So much hostility towards a Gnome. I really don't get it myself. 

Mind you, I grew up playing Magic where whole deck Archetypes revolved around making you discard cards from your hand and deck. Or forcing you to play cards quicker because you would take damage equal to the number of cards in your hand...

 But really, the amount of people losing thier shit over a 2 mana 2/3 that basically does nothing is incredible. I'm just glad that Warlock now has a viable Two drop to play in Standard. 

 How is this card doing anything different to what a Deck like Mill Rogue does?

I wonder if people would evaluate it differently if it said remove the bottom card of your opponents deck. They are virtually the same card, with a minuscule difference. If you could pick a card from the deck to remove, this would be a very different story, but because your not selecting the card, you obviously have no idea what you're removing. This is why it is treated as basically being the bottom card of the deck in terms of value. Your not stopping them from drawing, so this isn't card advantage. Your not picking a key card in the game, so your just as likely, if not more likely, to help your opponent draw a card that they want to draw.

There will be people who play this card and hit Tirion and start cheering and good for them, glad your having fun. In reality, all you did was give both players a little information. People will figure this out when the set releases. Hopefully they learn from it. I think it'd be kinda cool if this did see play in a really slow control warlock, but it probably wont. 

Bottom line, this card only matters if your opponent hits fatigue (or if you get insanely lucky against a deck that can't win without drawing a single copy of a card), and anyone who says otherwise is simply wrong. By these people's logic, tracking would be the worst card in the game, since it kills two cards from your deck. It would be like paying 1 mana and a card slot to give you a negative value, which is obviously not the case.   

To all those who think this card will be good, I highly suggest you read this article Kibler wrote about Fel Reaver, and especially the first half of it.

While old, it perfectly explains why burning cards from your opponent's deck is way different than burning cards in hand and why it doesn't really do much.

http://bmkgaming.com/understanding-fel-reaver-hearthstone-theory/

I'd rather play Friendly Bartender, tbh. 

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To all those who think this card will be good, I highly suggest you read this article Kibler wrote about Fel Reaver, and especially the first half of it.

While old, it perfectly explains why burning cards from your opponent's deck is way different than burning cards in hand and why it doesn't really do much.

http://bmkgaming.com/understanding-fel-reaver-hearthstone-theory/

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Incredible good card that punishes combo decks

 Hey Barozzo,

 Can you explain how this punishes combo decks, that weren't going to go to fatigue?

 

This card doesn't punish combo decks, because it can't consistently discard the combo pieces, that's it.

 Of course it can punish combo decks. All cards used there are crucial, and almost all are necessary for the combo. Even when you run duplicates for consistency, you usually spend one just to survive (for example a Fireball or an Ice Block). Not to mention that your opponent will use 2 of these babies for maximum deck disruption. Add 2 Dirty Rats & prepare for a salt storm.

 If all cards in a combo deck are crucial, then that dictates that a combo deck must draw all 30 cards in order to combo, which isn't true.

Combo decks use about 5-6 key cards which are held in the hand for the majority of the game. Dirty Rat is good because it forces them out of the hand. This card is not, because it so likely to burn one of the other 25 cards.

As it stands, there's no point teching this card when you can tech Dirty Rat.

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To all those who think this card will be good, I highly suggest you read this article Kibler wrote about Fel Reaver, and especially the first half of it.

While old, it perfectly explains why burning cards from your opponent's deck is way different than burning cards in hand and why it doesn't really do much.

http://bmkgaming.com/understanding-fel-reaver-hearthstone-theory/

 It doesn't work like that at all, and weirdly enough it is now becoming a common mistake to try to relate these two. You are trying to compare the passive RNG of important cards staying at the bottom of your deck, which is a perfectly acceptable condition of every card game & one we've all been through, to the active (and at least double) active card destruction from the top of your opponent's deck. The distance between these two is quite big.

Plus, there is a crucial difference: Fel Reaver was throwing away your OWN cards in a deck specially made not to bother you for losing them. GV is actively destroying your opponent's cards, which he put there for a very specific purpose. Apples to oranges?