So the real question for me is this - does C'Thun [/card] need to be out for the [card] Klaxxi amber weaver to get the buff or just have ten attack in the deck? Because if its the latter that is hugely powerful. Coin out a Beckoner of Evil turn one, play a second one turn two, a Twilight Elder turn three, and then the klaxxi as a huge minion turn four. If its the former its still good but less broken.
What's the chance of that happening? Almost zero, so stop pretending it's gonna be that OP. Since when a 4/10 Drake (without taunt) was that game changing? Maybe with Power of the Wild and Defender of Arguses it's gonna be a thing.
So the real question for me is this - does C'Thun [/card] need to be out for the [card] Klaxxi amber weaver to get the buff or just have ten attack in the deck? Because if its the latter that is hugely powerful. Coin out a Beckoner of Evil turn one, play a second one turn two, a Twilight Elder turn three, and then the klaxxi as a huge minion turn four. If its the former its still good but less broken.
What's the chance of that happening? Almost zero, so stop pretending it's gonna be that OP. Since when a 4/10 Drake (without taunt) was that game changing? Maybe with Power of the Wild and Defender of Arguses it's gonna be a thing.
Since beta? twilight drake is powerful card but what's mroe powerful? not losing tempo earlier and still play a 4/10 at turn 4.. 4/10 is worth 6 mana..
in gvg meta 4/10 for 4 isn't the best thing ever in a meta without gvg..
It's either a 4/5 or a 4/10 for 4 mana. That's good value in both cases. Prior the release of shredder, Chillwind Yeti, which is also a 4/5, was the primary 4-drop.
Let's just asume for a second a Standard midrange Druid deck will run Yeti. I would still run rather this guy even if there is no C'thun in my deck just to confuse my opponent...
Holy shit, I take back all of my threads about this expansion.
jk, honestly though, this card is a Yeti on curve, with a chance of being much, much better. Love it! (Yeti is the best 4 drop in the game atm.)
best 4 drop? *ehm* shredder *ehm* Do you see competitive decks running Yeti! that'd be a lol...
He's obviously referring to standard, and in that case he's basically right. Yeti is not strictly the best 4-drop so far in standard, but it is the obvious replacement for shredder. Since you registered may 2014, you should know that yeti was played in competitive decks prior to shredder.
I dont think yeti will still be the strongest 4 drop. Back before expansions, yeti was only good because hearthstone was a stat game. 4 mana for 9 stats wowow. Not anymore i dont think
Druid can't have hard control decks, they have no removal.
Not sure you know this game very well.
1) Druids have the most mana efficient removal in the game, might not be good due to card advantage but it is there. Which might mean Druids can't be a control deck like a warrior but can be very good at board control and tempo. Up to now they haven't needed to use it because they rely on innervating out early board pressence and then finish off with combo. And if they need removal they use swipe and bgh. But with BGH and Combo being targeted for nerfs they might just be forced to use that efficient removal since they might not have better options anymore.
2) from what we have seen so far C'thun decks won't be classic control decks, they will be midrange decks with C'thun finisher. Most cards seem to be just strong vanilla with a C'thun buff surprising not dissimilar to what Druid is like today. Instead of combo as your finisher you use C'thun.
3) it's a yeti with no downside, yeti made its way into Druid decks pre-shredder with standard they may do again. You may just throw this in anyway as a way to confuse your opponent.
4) we haven't see what else in in store for us in this expansion
5) it doesn't have to be played turn 4 it could be played turn 6 as 4/10 with hero power or wrath or something. It could be played turn 4 as just a 4/5 it can be innervating turn 2 again 4/5 or it could be played as a turn 4 - 4/10, if lucky with early game or innervating followers before.
What will determine whether it sees play is how viable a C'thun Druid is and nothing at the moment suggests (with the right cards to come) that it couldn't.
I dont think yeti will still be the strongest 4 drop. Back before expansions, yeti was only good because hearthstone was a stat game. 4 mana for 9 stats wowow. Not anymore i dont think
I dont think yeti will still be the strongest 4 drop. Back before expansions, yeti was only good because hearthstone was a stat game. 4 mana for 9 stats wowow. Not anymore i dont think
Well, it's still a "stat game", especially in druid. The only other 4-drop, currently known, (aside from this new card) that could be played over yeti on 4, is Sen'jin Shieldmasta. If druid gets better beast synergy, then Savage Combatant might be played over yeti, but it's still worse on curve.
Chillwind Yeti is decent card (Though not very interesting). This is Chillwind Yeti with under certain circumstances can become a much bigger and harder to kill off minion. Sure it only still has 4 attack, but with that much health it's gonna stay on the board unless your opponent uses some removal on it and he doesn't wanna waste that on a 4 mana minion. It can be silenced but then it's still a chillwind yeti,,,
It can still only be played in a specific type of deck, so it all dependds on how strong C'Thun decks are gonna be. But i would really prefer if Blizzard more tried to make cards reasonably balanced in their own right, instead of just trying to balance cards depending on the decks they're used in. Lately it doesn't seem like that's how they go about things though.
You mean like Twilight Drake? (4/4/10, specific type of deck) Only difference is it's not hit that hard from silences. But it also doesn't have a dragon tag and you probably aren't happy for it to be silenced/hard removed, because you don't run 4 giants, which will be taunted.
To get a 4/10 drake with Warlock you need to skip your first 3 turns AND go second. They aren't really directly comparable.
You can easily make it a 4/8 or 4/9 and the result is the same: Big ass minion on curve. Except getting a twilight drake during mulligan is way easier than 2 beckoner of evil (or innervate and other shenanigans) and Klaxxi as they require more than only one card. Both will be played in niche decks and that's pretty much comparable IMO.
If you claim this is opop you'd have to say the same for twilight drake.
You're talking about this like Beckoner of Evil and Twilight Elder are the only two C'Thun buffs in the set. There are clearly more and some of them are bound to be earlier buffs. It's impossible to judge the quality of all of these cards without seeing the whole of the C'Thun set. This card definitely isn't broken but saying that its a bad card doesn't make much sense either as its a Chillwind Yeti in a format where Chillwind Yeti could see some play.
What happens if the enemy mind controls your Chtun? Is it still yours?
No
The other thing i red, is that you Chtun keeps getting buffed even if he is dead. But does he do it if he gets mind controlled and then dies?
As far as I understand it now, C'thun gets Kind of an area Buff on the side of the board on which the C'thun-buffs are played. I.e. if you play the followers like Twilight Elder, the buffs will apply only on your side. So if your Opponent mind controls him but doesn't have C'thun-buffs on his own, C'thun will be a 6/6 on his side.
What happens if the enemy mind controls your Chtun? Is it still yours?
No
The other thing i red, is that you Chtun keeps getting buffed even if he is dead. But does he do it if he gets mind controlled and then dies?
As far as I understand it now, C'thun gets Kind of an area Buff on the side of the board on which the C'thun-buffs are played. I.e. if you play the followers like Twilight Elder, the buffs will apply only on your side. So if your Opponent mind controls him but doesn't have C'thun-buffs on his own, C'thun will be a 6/6 on his side.
I would have thought it would work like this
He is buffed by your minions>enters the field at say a 10/10> mind control (doesn't alter anything just a steals him) as a 10/10 since his buff is fixed to him at this point > dies > resurrects as a 6/6 unless the priest plays more buff minions since the priest has not acumulated buffed stats of his own. Not sure, he might come back as a 10/10.
I do know if the priest play was the original owner and buffed him and then he dies and the resurrected he comes back in as a buffed minion
We will have to wait and see though. Blizzard hasn't clarified much at this point.
But that is also not very enlightening in this respect. At first I thought it's just a buff like the one from Shattered Sun Cleric . Now, I heard and read so many different things, that the best is your proposal: Wait and see...
Im not saying that this Card will be bad, but the way that i look at C’thun is that the decks that are based around him will be combo decks that will try to OTK their opponent and play vanilla minions on curve to deal with their opponents minions. But it's enteirely possible that there will some kind of midrange or contol deck that plays huge minions along with C'thun.
I belive that the best C’thun decks will be the ones that buff C’thun and not the ones that gains stat or other benefits at other minions for playing him.
So, power creep on Chillwind Yeti?
"Put your face in the light!" - Tirion Fordring
It's either a 4/5 or a 4/10 for 4 mana. That's good value in both cases. Prior the release of shredder, Chillwind Yeti, which is also a 4/5, was the primary 4-drop.
Do you see competitive decks running Yeti! that'd be a lol...
Lion King: Alternate Ending ;3
Let's just asume for a second a Standard midrange Druid deck will run Yeti. I would still run rather this guy even if there is no C'thun in my deck just to confuse my opponent...
- senti
I dont think yeti will still be the strongest 4 drop. Back before expansions, yeti was only good because hearthstone was a stat game. 4 mana for 9 stats wowow. Not anymore i dont think
Lion King: Alternate Ending ;3
In another thread, someone posted a twitter link:
https://twitter.com/PlayHearthstone/status/708457371912122368
But that is also not very enlightening in this respect. At first I thought it's just a buff like the one from Shattered Sun Cleric . Now, I heard and read so many different things, that the best is your proposal: Wait and see...
Okey, so we have some hand-lock power for those, who wanna live until C'Tun will be topdecked. Okey.
SMOrc
Im not saying that this Card will be bad, but the way that i look at C’thun is that the decks that are based around him will be combo decks that will try to OTK their opponent and play vanilla minions on curve to deal with their opponents minions.
But it's enteirely possible that there will some kind of midrange or contol deck that plays huge minions along with C'thun.
I belive that the best C’thun decks will be the ones that buff C’thun and not the ones that gains stat or other benefits at other minions for playing him.