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    posted a message on Undtakah + Recurring Villain Bug?
    Quote from serotoninronin >>

    Okay listen. I UNDERSTAND THAT THIS INTERACTION DOES NOT WORK. WHAT I AM ASKING IS WHAT WOULD HAVE TO BE CHANGED TO MAKE IT WORK. 

    Here is another card that has existed in HS:

    Unearthed Raptor

    This is simply a targeted Undatakah effect EXCEPT that it says "gain a COPY of" instead of just "gain." It is still a battlecry, and it also does not transform the Raptor into another minion. What I am saying is that there is a non-keyworded and unexplained difference between "gain" and "gain a copy of" in these two cases, and with respect to deathrattle effects. It seems to me like a distinction without a difference.

    If you understand the interaction, then you shouldn't repeatly state how it not works. Then people will stop explaining the correct interaction to you.

    Yes, sometimes the wording in Hearthstone makes a distinction without a difference in mechanic. And sometimes they use the same wording and make a distinction nonetheless. In hearthstone, you can never be 100% sure that a card works a certain way before you did not test it on the board. It bugged me too, but I got used to it.

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    posted a message on Venomizer card, I cannot seem to find it and I wanted to craft it.

    I can only think of two things: either you didn't click on the button "craft" or you already have one venomizer and need to click on the card to craft the second. It should be available.

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    posted a message on Undtakah + Recurring Villain Bug?
    Quote from serotoninronin >>

    I know it won't. Listen to what I'm saying. I'm offering a hypothetical. If the text of Da Undatakah read "Copy the deathrattle effects of three friendly minions that died this game" instead of what it actually says "gain...," then would it go infinite with Recurring Villain? It's not complicated: I think things change a lot if you replace the word "gain" in the text of Da Undatakah with the word "copy." Am I wrong? 

     Yes, you are wrong. Da undatakah would not have any deathrattles when resummoned, since he only gets deathrattles due to his triggering battlecry (as people have told you repeatedly). That is how it works in HS.

    Edit: the difference to faceless is that faceless *is* the new minion and is handled as the respective card from thereon. But the card da undatakah is still the same and has no default deathrattle when resummoned.

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    posted a message on watch out for aquakinezist user (in play a friend quest)

    Send the details to a mod and he will add him to the blacklist (which you hopefully read before trading).

    Edit: he is already listed with his battletag pyro. Always check the blacklist.

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    posted a message on 0-3 why?

    I only watched the first game, and right at the start I would've attacked the Harvest Golem instead of going face. Then you can trade with his 4/4 Tinkertown Technician . Letting his tinkertown live did kind of snowball the game for him. I don't know if the result would've been something else but he couldn't have gotten  that much value out of his tinkertown. And the 2 damage to face did not matter at all.

    But sometimes it simply happens to get a couple of losses. 

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    posted a message on Question regarding Azalina Soulthief as Boss.

    You need to go ahead quick and always kill her minions to keep the board clear. AoE is also helpful to swing the game. And keep your minions preferably small. But it majorly depends on your deck and passive powers whether you have a chance. Darius Crowley is easier. Houndmaster Shaw as well if you took the +2 health passive and your dogs can trade three times. But I also had great value decks and simply lost because she got ahead and I couldn't swing the board back. Sometimes she is just a counter to your deck...

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    posted a message on Game of Thrones is disappointing

    I didn't watch it yet, but I also do not have any issues with being spoilered. So I watched the brief review of Filmento. I think he explains well what technically went wrong without ranting. I probably will still watch it, but my expectations are low. Which actually might make it better for me...

     

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    posted a message on Loatheb against forbidden spells?
    Quote from WUBRGWUBRG >>

    You first choose a legal target according to your current available mana, the spell starts to resolve, after the target is chosen, you pay the cost of the card (upper right corner) but no additional cost yet (written in the textbox). Just afterwards you do everything written on the card possible. The card only checks for any restricting conditions while choosing a target, not upon resolution. So you empty your mana, and destroy the target - which was legal while checking for viability.

    If the game could peek into the future, it would be able to see that you would not have enough mana upon resolution of the spell, but neither does it check for this condition, nor does it care about it after the initial targeting.

     We know why hearthstone is carrying out the spell wrongly. And we think the wrong application of the effect should be changed. The game should check what you call "into the future" because of the wording of Forbidden Words . The effect states: "Spend all your mana. Destroy a minion with that much attack or less". Thus, it is clearly intended to kill minions with an attack value equal or less to the spent mana. And the spent mana is 5 less due to Loatheb 's effect. Therefore, I don't think the present interaction is intended since the card does not do what it says.

    I am fine with other interactions which kills non legal targets (like the above mentioned Spellbender and Shadow Word: Death because the initial target is a legal one. Here the target should not be legal from the beginning. It is surely not hard to fix (checking the mana that will be emptied) since a fix would only affect the card itself. And there are more cards than just loatheb that lose their value like Doomed Apprentice Rebuke or Nerubian Unraveler .

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    posted a message on Loatheb against forbidden spells?

    It is not right compared to the other forbidden cards. They all carry out their effect after paying the mana costs. I.e. Forbidden Shaping will summon a 5 mana minion when you are at 10 mana and the opponent played Loatheb . Forbidden Flame will only deal 10 damage.

    However, the issue with Forbidden Words is that you need to target a minion before the mana costs are payed and you can target a minion according to your mana. Only then the costs are paid and the effect is carried out (the rest of the mana is emptied and the targeted minion is killed).

    This is clearly a wrong interaction, although mechanically consistent. But in my opinion they should change it.

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    posted a message on Rank 50 - Legend in 16 hours challenge
    Quote from Healingpower >>
    Quote from sadon2 >>

    decklist? and how he got all the rare cards without buying one pack. or quests?

     Congrats on the achievement. Really well done, but I was wondering the same thing as the guy above me, since I missed your stream and there is no full 16h long video on your twitch account.

     Why wouldn't he buy packs? F2P can still buy packs with ingame gold. And you get a lot of free packs when you start at rank 50 so there should be easily enough dust to make token Druid.

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    posted a message on Can Genn & Baku still je obtained in boosters ?

    No, they are not in packs. Hall of Fame cards can only be obtained through crafting.

    This makes sense since they are not standard legal any more.

    Edit: Ops, I misread the post before me. I thought he said they can.

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    posted a message on Dalaran Heist is a bummer
    Quote from AbusingKel >>
    Quote from DarkArchon21 >>

    If you guys can remember back far enough when Blizzard announced they would be switching to full expansion releases instead of rotating between expansion and adventure they originally stated that the adventure (single player content) would be INCLUDED with the expansions.

    Now they are hacking off adventure content so they can once again be charging for expansion and adventure modes. Except this time the adventures don't even introduce new cards. This is straight up and intentional double dipping screwing customers. The original content release format would have 3 new releases per year rotating between adventure/expansion, now that number is increased to 6 times customers are charged.

    It's fitting that they call this a Heist because that's exactly what this is.

    This is completely on point. The PvE content that was supposed to be included as a free portion of each new expansion has been removed. It was popular so they've hit it with steroids and a price tag. Douche move. Had they rolled out a similar dungeon run/monster hunt freebie and also offered a new game mode that required payment, I would not have an issue with it. Instead, what they've done is completely reneged so they can, as you so aptly put it, double dip. 

     

     Imagine the free mode would look like the first wing. And that the paid content would look like the 2nd to 5th wing.

    Does it feel better or is the truth that you still would've an issue with it?

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    posted a message on "Technically" full dust refund should be applied with buffs too
    Quote from FilsonTheRat >>
    Quote from Horkinger >>

    And they didn't give us dust when the mana cost of Molten Giant was reverted to 20.

     Actually, they do.

     

    Not for the change. They gave the dust for moving it to the hall of fame. Disenchanting costs where still normal value (1/4th of crafting cost).

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    posted a message on "Technically" full dust refund should be applied with buffs too
    Quote from Spiderhaz >>
    Quote from Horkinger >>

    It doesn't specify that you get the full dust value either, but you still get it. Likewise you will not get any dust if a card is made better. Technically, they could give it to you, but I am pretty sure they wont.

    And they didn't give us dust when the mana cost of Molten Giant was reverted to 20.

     That's because molten was Hall Of Famed so you did get your full dust back.

     True, but not in the way as nerfed cards are handled (disenchant and getting full dust value), but in the hall of fame way. Disenchanting it didn't get you full dust due to the change back to 20 mana

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    posted a message on "Technically" full dust refund should be applied with buffs too

    It doesn't specify that you get the full dust value either, but you still get it. Likewise you will not get any dust if a card is made better. Technically, they could give it to you, but I am pretty sure they wont.

    And they didn't give us dust when the mana cost of Molten Giant was reverted to 20 (Edit for clarification: they didn't give a dust refund for the change, but for moving it into the HoF).

     

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