Hearthpwn

Hi All

TLDR: Come join a growing community of likeminded players looking for a proper casual environment without the risk of running into top tier tourney decks over and over.

Set some decks aside specifically for this purpose - no top tier stuff that is plaguing casual right now. We only want meme decks, budget decks or nooby decks from restricted collections (i.e. the kinds of decks SUPPOSED to be in casual).

THIS IS NOT A PLEA FOR BLIZZARD TO DO SOMETHING. THIS IS NOT A WHINE THREAD. THIS IS US DOING SOMETHING CONSTRUCTIVE OURSELVES. So please kindly refrain from negative comments about how Blizzard won't listen or how casual is fine/not fine because that is not the purpose of this thread.

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Happy gaming!

-Maverick

RULES:

DISCORD SERVER: https://discord.gg/ry3PJK

(permanent link now)

NA BATTLETAGS:

EU BATTLETAGS:

ASIA BATTLETAGS:

EDITS:

- New and improved - added Discord server and battletag lists

- Deleted deck rating system - too many people asking me how to estimate a deck's power out of 100. Just tell people what you're playing.

Sounds cool to me. I'm usually on Asia server though. Luckyjack#1848

Quote from Rubinlibelle >>

We could also make a group within the Blizzard App. And maybe we should have a codeword for challenging. I suggest "#clownfiesta". 

 That's a good idea i'll look into creating one when I get home and i'll sort out invites later. It's now almost 5pm in Sydney so it'll be a few hours til it's ready.

Also I stupidly didn't take server into account so maybe i'll make one for each server.

I'm in! 
EU server, Hegarmin#2217

Looks like a good idea. I am in. My battletag is: ilja615#2558 on EU servers.

i mostly play off meta decks, but also i play a self-made mechrattle hunter, which is now quite popular but it wasnt when i started playing it.

i play both standard and wild, i play since 1 year, and i dont have a lot of cards because i am ftp (although im thinking about buying LoE)

@ OP

I don't accept the premise that the game is particularly unfair

That being said, I sincerely compliment you.  Been hovering around these forums for years and this is the first proactive solution I've seen.  It's amazing to watch people post month after month after month about how other people have to change for their benefit.

I say thee yay sir or madame

Sounds like a good idea!

PinkiePieYay#21852 EU

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@ OP

I don't accept the premise that the game is particularly unfair

That being said, I sincerely compliment you.  Been hovering around these forums for years and this is the first proactive solution I've seen.  It's amazing to watch people post month after month after month about how other people have to change for their benefit.

I say thee yay sir or madame

Agreed. Congratulations to the OP for doing something constructive - though I share misgivings about criticizing the competitive play-mode for actually being competitive. If I go to the local store, intending to compete with a bunch of perfect strangers in a MtG store tourney, I know what to expect if I choose to bring my meme deck. The competitive mode in HS is no different.

Some advice - if you are able, attend a Fireside Gathering. Meeting like-minded HS players IRL will quickly expand your Friends list to include people who want to play the game the same way you do. I have about three dozen IRL Friends in-game that I've met at FSGs - we often play "tournaments" against each other with crazy decks. Good luck to the OP.

I am interested. I've been playing mostly to get golden heroes and I don't feel particularly happy playing ladder.

Just one question, how do you rate the decks? We should have a more objective rating.

We could also do some self-imposing rules like: Only rares and commons or only commons.

My battlenet is DZMarcos#1460. I play mostly on NA, but I can play on EU (way smaller collection though)

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Quote from Shadowrisen >>

@ OP

I don't accept the premise that the game is particularly unfair

That being said, I sincerely compliment you.  Been hovering around these forums for years and this is the first proactive solution I've seen.  It's amazing to watch people post month after month after month about how other people have to change for their benefit.

I say thee yay sir or madame

Agreed. Congratulations to the OP for doing something constructive - though I share misgivings about criticizing the competitive play-mode for actually being competitive. If I go to the local store, intending to compete with a bunch of perfect strangers in a MtG store tourney, I know what to expect if I choose to bring my meme deck. The competitive mode in HS is no different.

Some advice - if you are able, attend a Fireside Gathering. Meeting like-minded HS players IRL will quickly expand your Friends list to include people who want to play the game the same way you do. I have about three dozen IRL Friends in-game that I've met at FSGs - we often play "tournaments" against each other with crazy decks. Good luck to the OP.

 I don't think that I claimed it was unfair, I just thought we could make it fairer. I see fairness as a scale not a dichotomy so I think this is an incremental step towards making it fairer for those of us without a meaningful or enjoyable place in Ranked or Casual (Second Ranked).

I also didn't criticise competitive mode for being competitive. Just the fact that people use the casual system for ranked quality decks without ladder anxiety makes it hard for the rest of us to enjoy the game. This method offers an alternative to that.

I'm glad you touched on MTG play because as I mentioned in the first post MTG Commander players have identified deck power mismatches as a huge inhibitor for enjoyable gameplay and have begun to analyse power levels of their own decks using percentages the same way I suggested here so that Grizzly Bears isn't suddenly up against Black Lotus without knowing why first.

With this system only in its infancy I think we can rely on what would be widely perceived as really powerful, medium and meh. I don't think a 50% will be really really upset if they challenge a person that says they have a 60% that turns out to be more like 70%. It's more about curbing any obvious shenanigans and generally top performing decks/builds are not welcome. Even rough power ratings will be enough for a 20% to know they probably won't beat someone else's 65% and it saves them the trouble of waiting out the loss.

You are of course welcome to take an idea from a top performing deck and build around it yourself with whatever you have on hand so long as it doesn't come too close to the super high performing/wallet version or its power level.

I expect some people will run into things that sometimes seem more powerful than they expected: we must all understand that sometimes a memey deck like bombhunter or mill mage is going to get a great draw and blow you out. This will be up to you to reasonably judge and not just report someone because they lucked out with non-OP cards. We can't completely avoid the RNG of it all - the best we can do is give people a fighting chance so they're not queuing into the same old tourney blowout decks.

Who knows - maybe brewers will use this system to find interactions other people haven't thought of yet.

Well at least I got to add two people before this thread faded away.

Sounds like a very nice idea.
Though like to know more about "how to rate decks"  and "rules".

I'm not a meta player, make my own decks and such.

Looking forward to read your answer

It's really impossible to spell it out specifically because it is subjective so it's a ballpark estimate.

If toptier tourney decks are 90-100% and classic-only no real collection FTP noobie decks are 0-10% then make an educated guess as to where yours sits on that spectrum. We're all adults i'm sure one person's 20% is not going to be another person's 90%.

The rules are fairly simple - when you make a deck you want to play in this way add the percentage to the front of the deck name (in case someone wants to use the borrow deck function and so that you can keep track of your own power levels) and don't bring anything higher than 70%.

Post your battletag in this thread so people can add you, you add as many others as you wish, and play away.

If anyone is running around here with top tier decks then people will take screenshots and post in the thread so everyone else can ignore that user in friendslist.

EDIT: Spelling

Im just pinning it up again so more people can see it) Also OP, I suggest you changing the name of the thread to something different than the current one. At first glance I assumed that it is another salty rant because I was judging by the title. I can't be the only one

Bumped after title change. Thanks FirePalyHSplayer.

Your idea is awesome but Blizzard would not listen to it since it does not benefit them. :(

NOTHING IS WRONG WITH CASUAL, ITS TOTALLY FINE AS IS. 

-some lyra guy

Awesome thanks for your participation guys it's fantastic.

Let's keep the train going until we have enough players involved that someone is always online to vs.