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    posted a message on Hit Legend Playing Poison Rogue. Low Key Broken And No One Is Playing It.

    There will be plenty of decks who spare two slots to totally shut down a popular archetype, if indeed it becomes popular.

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    posted a message on Petition to Blizzard to give Full Dust Refund for Kargal Battlescar

    No, the watch posts were very predictable nerfs, and they were instituted plenty quick.  I crafted Golden Kargal knowing full well that if there were any nerfs to the post package, it wouldn't be to that particular card.

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    posted a message on Hit Legend Playing Poison Rogue. Low Key Broken And No One Is Playing It.

    Enjoy it.  The second there's any prevalence of that deck at all, it gets obliterated by double ooze.

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    posted a message on Nerfs Announced
    Quote from W0LF1199 >>

    pretty weak nerfs. Looks like rogue is getting hit quite a bit. Lunacy is basically the same deck. Paladin also. shame it took so long to just change the mana costs. 

     Are you just trolling?  I can't believe someone can look at the Pen Flinger nerf and straight-facedly claim Paladin is "basically the same deck".

    Anyway, the community should have nothing to compain about for the inevitable aggro surge coming up.  Despite the constant malcontents, Lunacy heading up to 4 mana will be a relevant issue to that deck and Paladins may or may not still religiously run Flingers, but they've lost a reliable source of damage.

    I imagine Control Warlock will enjoy a couple of days in the sun and then the aggro builds will get RE-refined and Tickatus and Jaraxxus will go back to being tier 2/3 bench warmers.

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    posted a message on If Mage dies, Control warrior will probably take over

    Man, I was just watching the latest Clark Hellscream video where he does a tier list of all the "most degenerate" decks in the history of Hearthstone.  Holy crud, what an example of recent event bias!!!

    I understand that it's meant to be an entertaining vid and also I get that comparing decks from totally different time periods in the game is difficult, but some of the comparisons made are just absolute bat shit crazy.  His top of the top "SS tier" decks are somewhat reasonable, but then you see last-meta weapon rogue in the same tier as pre-nerf Quest rogue, pre-nerf Barnes rez Priest, and NAGA SEA WITCH GIANTS LOCK???

    Lunacy mage is only one tier below all that, sitting next to Midrange Shaman (a deck that had literally zero unfavorable matchups . . . there was nothing anyone managed to make with a consistent >50% winrate against it) and the pre-nerf Cube Lock.

    Apparently the original Warsong Commander / Grim Patron warrior was less degenerate than current-day Lunacy Mage and last-meta Weapon Rogue.  I like Clark Hellscream and his content (when he isn't platforming Zeddy), but that list smacked of short memory and bias toward current issues.  Honestly, I think it's a microcosm of a lot of what goes on in this orum.

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    posted a message on If Mage dies, Control warrior will probably take over

    I didn't mean to suggest the control/combo thing was semantic.  I'm just literally saying I myself don't really get into that particular argument.  I understand it can be relevant at times.

    As for Jaraxxus, I guess it's sort of circular.  Upon further reflection, I realize that there probably won't be a time when Tickatus is voluntarily excluded from the deck, HOWEVER, the reason it will stay in the deck is not anything to do with other control decks.  It is probably going to stick around in hopes of either hitting your opponent's Jaraxxus in the mirror or at least getting you ahead in the fatigue game ALSO IN THE MIRROR.  If I'm correct about Jaraxxus, he will be the win condition that discourages other control decks, but you'll still get into the degenerate Lock vs Lock race to Tickatus game which frequently shows up today.

     

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    posted a message on If Mage dies, Control warrior will probably take over
    Quote from Kinkyjohnfowler >>
    Quote from Shadowrisen >>

    Seems like it's been debated for an entire meta and counting.  Folks assured us that control was doomed in the last meta, back when mercenary allowed triple Rattlegore to eat warlock for lunch.  They were wrong, but they were damn sure it was not debatable.

    Now, as I have said repeatedly, I am concerned about Jaraxxus's rework.  That does seem to be a serious issue.  But there isn't any reason to believe Tickatus is any more impactful now than it was a month ago.  Furthermore, if Jaraxxus actually can do what Frost Lich Jaina and Deathstalker Rexxar did before him, then sooner or later the meta will refine the deck to the point where Tickatus isn't even included.  Ultimately, whether Tickatus stays in the deck will depend on the prevalence of combo options, but as for a control vs control meta, Jaraxxus is all you need.

     Are you claiming Control isn’t doomed? 

    I mean Control barely exists and certainly not in the way it used to. Quasi combo/control and midrange/control hybrid decks have replaced the archetype.

     I'm not particularly concerned with subdividing the archtype to that extent.  But then again, I've never really thought the distinction between control and combo was very instructive for most debates.  Obviously, most combo decks have a more fragile win condition, but in the case of the Silas Warrior deck I've been talking about here, 28 cards in the deck are identical to how I would build a control warrior, and 2 card choices suddenly redefine the entire archetype.  It's just not all that interesting to debate those distinctions.

    However, I have been very willing to concede that playing the value game is a fool's errand against Jaraxxus.  Tickatus could rotate tomorrow and that problem would still exist.  That's why my point is not that there isn't a problem.  My point is Tickatus ain't the problem.

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    posted a message on If Mage dies, Control warrior will probably take over

    Seems like it's been debated for an entire meta and counting.  Folks assured us that control was doomed in the last meta, back when mercenary allowed triple Rattlegore to eat warlock for lunch.  They were wrong, but they were damn sure it was not debatable.

    Now, as I have said repeatedly, I am concerned about Jaraxxus's rework.  That does seem to be a serious issue.  But there isn't any reason to believe Tickatus is any more impactful now than it was a month ago.  Furthermore, if Jaraxxus actually can do what Frost Lich Jaina and Deathstalker Rexxar did before him, then sooner or later the meta will refine the deck to the point where Tickatus isn't even included.  Ultimately, whether Tickatus stays in the deck will depend on the prevalence of combo options, but as for a control vs control meta, Jaraxxus is all you need.

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    posted a message on If Mage dies, Control warrior will probably take over

     

     

    Quote from Shadowrisen >>

    Well written and I agree, Shadow Hunter Vol'jin has a lot of potential for trying to mess up Tick Lock and others.

    However, I just hit 28-13 with Silas Warrior against Tick Lock.  It's not that hopeless a match.  It's my hope that by the end of this meta, I will finally have enough individual stats that it actually IS a relevant sample size, at which point we can finally draw some conclusions.

    How does your deck fair against, well everything else.  It’s gotta be hard to maintain that armor level against aggro and mid range decks.   Do you have a secondary win condition? 

     

     

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    Anyway, the mage matchup basically goes the way every other opponent vs mage goes right now.  If they manage to get Lunacy in the first few turns, it's a complete crap shoot, though probably not going to go my way.  If the mage deck is forced to play its own game, I basically never lose, as whatever comes out of Font of Power is going to die easily, and the burn isn't enough to stand up to the armor gain.

    Paladin is a hell of a fight.  Surprisingly enough, the paladin match DOES often come down to the combo turn.  Usually a win involves fending off as much of the early game as possible, getting to a low life total, swinging the board and the armor total with a Barov plus Rancor turn, and then deploying either kargath prime or saurfang plus rushers to hold onto the tempo game after the board clear.  A loss looks like . . . um, any part of that going wrong.

    Rogue is generally a decent matchup.  For one thing, I've learned to hard mulligan for ooze and things that can kill watch posts.  If it's the poison rogue (surprisingly common at high legend), they generally play as if the opponent won't be playing any weapon destruction.  The rest just depends on how much damage the watch posts manage to do.

    Haven't had much issue with the occasional hunter or death rattle stuff.  I suspect the god draw of the Deathrattle Demon Hunter would take me out, but I just haven't seen much of them.

    Ironically, I occasionally see a different type of mage which uses Wildfire and Mordesh.  That mage takes me down with ease just because it holds the armor total down and demands answers to more creatures than spell mage ever has.  It's much better set up to handle my deck, but as most things in this game, one has to accept a bad matchup or two with most decks they pick.  I suspect this type of mage will see more play after whatever nerfs happen, so the Silas Warrior may be doomed at that point, but que sera.

    It's not a bad deck to be playing in this meta, honestly.  I'm not making a lot of headway beyond top 500 legend due to the prevalence of paladin, but we shall see how it goes after the nerfs.

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    posted a message on Are people afraid to play something other then meta?

    There are lots of interesting things to try, but until the nerfs rein in mage, it's just not particularly fun to have a massive difference in power between two decks

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    posted a message on If Mage dies, Control warrior will probably take over

    Well written and I agree, Shadow Hunter Vol'jin has a lot of potential for trying to mess up Tick Lock and others.

    However, I just hit 28-13 with Silas Warrior against Tick Lock.  It's not that hopeless a match.  It's my hope that by the end of this meta, I will finally have enough individual stats that it actually IS a relevant sample size, at which point we can finally draw some conclusions.

    I'm keeping track of a few stats like at what turn was a corrupted Tickatus played, my highest armor and their lowest life in game (two stats that have an obvious relevance when paired together).  The conversation above about how hard it is to get to 30 armor is basically never an issue against Tick Lock, both because they help with armor vendors, and they rarely stay at 30 life.

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    posted a message on If Mage dies, Control warrior will probably take over
    Quote from Aegis24 >>
    Quote from Shadowrisen >>

    If there is a relevant difference between combo and control with regards to this particular topic, I'm interested.  I don't really think that people are losing to me because they don't understand the matchup, though.  I suppose it's possible, but against control decks who draw lots of cards, the first priority of Tick Lock is to get Tickatus online and try to make sure you have enough time to mill as many cards as possible.  It's been my experience that no one is holding Tickatus against me, and they obviously know I don't have C'thun in my deck due to the lack of animation of the 4 pieces splitting at the beginning of the game.

     Control and combo decks can be similar simply because a combo deck needs to survive to pull off its combo, a good example would be the some of the OTK Paladin decks that used Shirvalah or the DK hero power.  Some combo decks have so much draw that they have no semblance of control to them, like old Hakkar druid or Nomi decks.  The real defining feature of most combo decks is a multi card high burst damage combo, like yours.  I’d argue throwing C’Thun in the deck doesn’t make it a combo deck because it’s simply one card and a win condition when you need one, whereas the main goal of the deck is to starve your opponent of resources.  Looking at your decklist the objective is to gain armor and slam 1 minion after you give it to your opponent. That’s a combo.  And I’d still wager people have no clue what they’re playing against when you queue up against them.  As I said that deck doesn’t exist on hsreply right now, which is a very popular source of deck information.  From personal experience not knowing what your opponent playing can be quite disorienting.  But now we’re delving into personal opinion.  At any rate I applaud you going against the grain with deck choice.

     Fair enough.  I can go with that distinction.

    I thought C'thun Warrior pretty much had to use him to win the game, but I suppose just adding the four cards gives you a potential fatigue win (the ultimate Chad win in control matchups) without actually playing him.

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    posted a message on Hearthstone Esports suspends Zalae
    Quote from Psy_Kik >>

    Again, I'd be using UK numbers rather US, but the reason abuse and assault numbers often get bundled with rape is they are both generally highlighted in relation to women and pitifully low conviction rates. I imagine the US justice system is much the same.

    The implication is that the numbers are so low, that even the most staunch mysogynist would accept that, despite the variances you get from case to case, false accusations, dropped charges, etc that huge numbers of women (and likely huge majority compared to actual convictions) are being failed by the justice system. Women's rights activists would also point out that however many false accusations and such there are, these are vastly outweighed by the number of women who chose not to press charges in these circumstances, for fear of the system failing them, which arguably drops the % to truly abysmal sub-1% levels.

    This creates the atmosphere in which companies have to be proactive in cases such as this Zalae's, and it's bad for everyone.

     It's hard to even make an educated guess on the unreported rape/sexual assault numbers, because . . . well, because they're unreported.  I would hope we've made some progress convincing women there's hope for justice, but I've personally observed a disturbingly large number of women in college who would claim to be a victim but were unwilling to attempt to press charges.

    @ Diet

    I chose rape statistics because assault stats are incredibly convoluted with all the different degrees.  In some studies, cat calling and whistling in close proximity to a woman have been included as instances of sexual assault, and regardless of legal definition, that sort of incident doesn't really apply to the situation here.  I do understand she did not accuse him of rape, though.

    As for the Kavanaugh case, in the last post I brought him up because that's where all the rape stat studies I read originated.  In previous posts, he was just an example of someone who was persecuted in public opinion and the media without evidence.

     

     

    @ Benelocky

    That's 100% correct.  I don't really expect the corporations to be the agents of change in cases like these.  The only thing we as individuals can work on is our own response to these accusations.  Maybe one day, we can return a little sanity to the whole court of public opinion, but for now, I'd settle for just showing a company they don't need to jump the gun and ostracize someone just because of the accusation.

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    posted a message on Hearthstone Esports suspends Zalae

    I'm not saying this to attack any particular poster, but in order to try to move the conversation forward, a couple of things really need to be settled.

    1.  We all have the right to do a myriad of things that morally, societally, psychologically, any number of other "ally"s we shouldn't do.  I see zero posters arguing Blizzard doesn't have a right to suspend Zalae.  The discussion is at LEAST focused on whether it's a good thing to do in a societal sense, and in my case, focused on much larger ramifications in other areas of life.  Spamming the response that Blizzard has the right to do this is just repeating a point no one is arguing.

    2.  On the subject of conviction rates, I don't want to try to go into assault as a whole because there's too many different types and the definitions vary slightly from state to state, but in terms of rape allegations, approximately 3% of charges filed with authorities result in a felony conviction.  Approximately 2-3% depending on your standard of proof result in a finding of fact that the accuser made knowingly false accusations.  Therefore, 94-95% of all rape allegations end in no conviction, which encompasses a large amount of scenarios including never making it to court, dropped charges, and "not guilty" verdicts. 

    Sourcing for all of that is most readily available in the articles written in conservative press to refute certain claims made about the Kavanaugh accusers and the statistical likelihood that a woman is telling the truth when these sorts of accusations are made.  A lot of folks who were against Kavanaugh used the statistic about only 2-3% of allegations being "proven" false to suggest that 97-98% of allegations are true, when in reality, the huge majority of accusations are neither proven nor disproven.

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    posted a message on If Mage dies, Control warrior will probably take over

    23-11, 4 win streak against Tick and counting.  About a fifth of the way to a relevant sample size.

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