So it seems as if no one wants a genuine discussion about this shit, goddamn. It's always just wow he's butthurt, just don't want a stale repeat of last meta.
c'mon it's not like Blizzard will nerf every deck that becomes a tier 1 deck. They nerf decks that are too good and overall above 60% winrate. Sometimes they nerf cards from worse decks, but only because they are simply overpowered (like it was with Sac Pac). Galakrond Rogue is not even near 60% winrate and I don't even see it as a problem, so sorry dude but no....
Sure, because it's clearly Rogue the problem right now.
It is, and it always will be the MOST problematic class, to a large part thanks to having the strongest basic / classic Set BEFORE the introduction of DH, which is the only class that matches it.
They missed the Opportunity to finally HoF Edwin VanCleef and that dumbster card Shadowstep, literally both of them cards that are winning games on its own.
Other cards that need urgently emergency Fixes
Blackjack Stunner - FIX: Remove (cost 2 more) I dunno who was possibly that drunk in the Card development team, but this little friend is by FAR and even with pre-nerfed Battlefiend in mind the most BROKEN 1 drop since ....probably pre-nerfed Undertaker ?!HELLO ?!? It is Sap AND Freezing Trap COMBINED for 1 Mana !!!!!and... ON A STICK !!!! The condition is waaay too easily met. GGNOTHXBLIZZ
Sap - FIX: Cost 3 Mana always a classic. I don't even mind Seal Fate, since Sap is WAY more busted at its cost, the amount of Tempo you get in making someone play that precious big minion again, is just instant game changing. Furthermore Roque spams these low cost high effect cards, and Opponents fall behind so much in tempo, that it's nearly impossible to recover.
Shadowjeweler Hanar - FIX: Cost 3 Mana Who am I NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS !! Who else is getting Flashbacks when this card is in Action. Building a Christmas Tree full of Value is almost as easy to accomplish as back in Secret Paly, the only argument saving this guy is the fact that its a Legendary, and it should be powerful. Yes, to an extend, but sure as hell NOT FOR 2 MANA.
Alright, too lazy for the descriptions of the others, but they all follow the same principle, Tempo balance in Mind and doing a BIT less for its Mana costs.
The entire Roque class needs a complete Nerf Overhaul to make it more on Par with the weaker other classes. Blizzard is clearly playing Favorites, they never nerf this class and instead giving them more busted new Toys every time, which is part of the reason I stop playing when yet another Roque Meta settles.
yeah i mean after a new best class comes in and gets nerfed, rouge is on top, just like the last expansion, seems like it needs a look into IMO.
The classes on top are (surprise surprise) the classes with good card draw.
Paladin was on top until their card draw was rotated to wild. Aggro Pala held in while Crystology existed.. But now that's gone too.
Priest was on top while Lyra/Raza/DK Anduin were in standard, but they were all draw dependent decks.. They're now rotated.
Warriors losing Acolyte crippled them pretty harshly.
Meanwhile Demon Hunters have had wave after waves of nerfs on the wrong cards, Rogue is currently on top for its great card draw and tempo, and Galakrond Warlock for being able to draw through all of its board removals and win conditions.
It's retarded how Blizzard made the two buff orientated classes have a severe weakness in card draw, while Rogues, DHs and Warlocks have all of their strengths without the weakness.
Sure, because it's clearly Rogue the problem right now.
It is, and it always will be the MOST problematic class, to a large part thanks to having the strongest basic / classic Set BEFORE the introduction of DH, which is the only class that matches it.
They missed the Opportunity to finally HoF Edwin VanCleef and that dumbster card Shadowstep, literally both of them cards that are winning games on its own.
Other cards that need urgently emergency Fixes
Blackjack Stunner - FIX: Remove (cost 2 more) I dunno who was possibly that drunk in the Card development team, but this little friend is by FAR and even with pre-nerfed Battlefiend in mind the most BROKEN 1 drop since ....probably pre-nerfed Undertaker ?!HELLO ?!? It is Sap AND Freezing Trap COMBINED for 1 Mana !!!!!and... ON A STICK !!!! The condition is waaay too easily met. GGNOTHXBLIZZ
Sap - FIX: Cost 3 Mana always a classic. I don't even mind Seal Fate, since Sap is WAY more busted at its cost, the amount of Tempo you get in making someone play that precious big minion again, is just instant game changing. Furthermore Roque spams these low cost high effect cards, and Opponents fall behind so much in tempo, that it's nearly impossible to recover.
Shadowjeweler Hanar - FIX: Cost 3 Mana Who am I NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS !! Who else is getting Flashbacks when this card is in Action. Building a Christmas Tree full of Value is almost as easy to accomplish as back in Secret Paly, the only argument saving this guy is the fact that its a Legendary, and it should be powerful. Yes, to an extend, but sure as hell NOT FOR 2 MANA.
Alright, too lazy for the descriptions of the others, but they all follow the same principle, Tempo balance in Mind and doing a BIT less for its Mana costs.
The entire Roque class needs a complete Nerf Overhaul to make it more on Par with the weaker other classes. Blizzard is clearly playing Favorites, they never nerf this class and instead giving them more busted new Toys every time, which is part of the reason I stop playing when yet another Roque Meta settles.
Thank you for having the most genuine response to this post, I really appreciate it. I agree with every single change you called for.
problem is removing a minion on turn 3 as rogue. The minion will probably have 3 or less health. That's using a card that removes a minion and generates a card. It just seems unfairly balanced. thats all, i appreciate your comment though
If you do that you spend your whole turn removing and do not develop a board. How is that broken? You can even play around that with 3/4s for 3 mana. It's a pretty common statline and demands an Eviscerate to deal with. Or is it only the lackey you have a problem with? It's much less tempo compared to the 2/1 rush from shaman for example and therefore you die to aggro more often than any other class. *wink* Demon Hunter *wink*
Sure, because it's clearly Rogue the problem right now.
It is, and it always will be the MOST problematic class, to a large part thanks to having the strongest basic / classic Set BEFORE the introduction of DH, which is the only class that matches it.
They missed the Opportunity to finally HoF Edwin VanCleef and that dumbster card Shadowstep, literally both of them cards that are winning games on its own.
Other cards that need urgently emergency Fixes
Blackjack Stunner - FIX: Remove (cost 2 more) I dunno who was possibly that drunk in the Card development team, but this little friend is by FAR and even with pre-nerfed Battlefiend in mind the most BROKEN 1 drop since ....probably pre-nerfed Undertaker ?!HELLO ?!? It is Sap AND Freezing Trap COMBINED for 1 Mana !!!!!and... ON A STICK !!!! The condition is waaay too easily met. GGNOTHXBLIZZ
Sap - FIX: Cost 3 Mana always a classic. I don't even mind Seal Fate, since Sap is WAY more busted at its cost, the amount of Tempo you get in making someone play that precious big minion again, is just instant game changing. Furthermore Roque spams these low cost high effect cards, and Opponents fall behind so much in tempo, that it's nearly impossible to recover.
Shadowjeweler Hanar - FIX: Cost 3 Mana Who am I NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS !! Who else is getting Flashbacks when this card is in Action. Building a Christmas Tree full of Value is almost as easy to accomplish as back in Secret Paly, the only argument saving this guy is the fact that its a Legendary, and it should be powerful. Yes, to an extend, but sure as hell NOT FOR 2 MANA.
Alright, too lazy for the descriptions of the others, but they all follow the same principle, Tempo balance in Mind and doing a BIT less for its Mana costs.
The entire Roque class needs a complete Nerf Overhaul to make it more on Par with the weaker other classes. Blizzard is clearly playing Favorites, they never nerf this class and instead giving them more busted new Toys every time, which is part of the reason I stop playing when yet another Roque Meta settles.
Thank you for having the most genuine response to this post, I really appreciate it. I agree with every single change you called for.
I do not want to sound harsh on this one, but how is demanding several nerfs with few to no proof of problematic evidence a genuine answer?
Because he isn't saying i'm butthurt or just complaining that I'm wrong, all of those cards are clearly not that well balanced. Not all of them need ot be changed but some of them could be changed for the better.
It is, and it always will be the MOST problematic class, to a large part thanks to having the strongest basic / classic Set BEFORE the introduction of DH, which is the only class that matches it.
They missed the Opportunity to finally HoF Edwin VanCleef and that dumbster card Shadowstep, literally both of them cards that are winning games on its own.
Other cards that need urgently emergency Fixes
Blackjack Stunner - FIX: Remove (cost 2 more) I dunno who was possibly that drunk in the Card development team, but this little friend is by FAR and even with pre-nerfed Battlefiend in mind the most BROKEN 1 drop since ....probably pre-nerfed Undertaker ?!HELLO ?!? It is Sap AND Freezing Trap COMBINED for 1 Mana !!!!!and... ON A STICK !!!! The condition is waaay too easily met. GGNOTHXBLIZZ
Sap - FIX: Cost 3 Mana always a classic. I don't even mind Seal Fate, since Sap is WAY more busted at its cost, the amount of Tempo you get in making someone play that precious big minion again, is just instant game changing. Furthermore Roque spams these low cost high effect cards, and Opponents fall behind so much in tempo, that it's nearly impossible to recover.
Shadowjeweler Hanar - FIX: Cost 3 Mana Who am I NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS !! Who else is getting Flashbacks when this card is in Action. Building a Christmas Tree full of Value is almost as easy to accomplish as back in Secret Paly, the only argument saving this guy is the fact that its a Legendary, and it should be powerful. Yes, to an extend, but sure as hell NOT FOR 2 MANA.
Alright, too lazy for the descriptions of the others, but they all follow the same principle, Tempo balance in Mind and doing a BIT less for its Mana costs.
The entire Roque class needs a complete Nerf Overhaul to make it more on Par with the weaker other classes. Blizzard is clearly playing Favorites, they never nerf this class and instead giving them more busted new Toys every time, which is part of the reason I stop playing when yet another Roque Meta settles.
Yes let’s just kill rogue as class I can see this not even happening stop you bitching.
So anyone that is not supporting your opinion is complaining?
That's generally how people on the internet work these days. Everyone is now growing up in a world where they are told all their ideas are wonderful so when someone eventually disagrees with them they can't differentiate between a personal attack and a difference of opinions.
So anyone that is not supporting your opinion is complaining?
That's generally how people on the internet work these days. Everyone is now growing up in a world where they are told all their ideas are wonderful so when someone eventually disagrees with them they can't differentiate between a personal attack and a difference of opinions.
Indeed true. As long as you agree you're right about everything, the second you disagree you better watch out.
P.S. Quote me on this but none of these nerfs above going to happen.
So anyone that is not supporting your opinion is complaining?
That's generally how people on the internet work these days. Everyone is now growing up in a world where they are told all their ideas are wonderful so when someone eventually disagrees with them they can't differentiate between a personal attack and a difference of opinions.
P.S. Quote me on this but none of these nerfs above going to happen.
And this is big part of the problem, you are right, Roque is NEVER seeing nerfs.
Roque is universally accepted as the sole worthy Tier S class.
1) Its the most popular class, since its so FUN to play and interactive ..... xD
2) "None game is like the other, its so FUN and exciting !!!!!1"
3) They are best to look at on Streams, OMG ROQUE SO FUN !!!!1"
4) Youtube Highlight Reels
5) Did I mention FUN ?!?!? FUN FUN FUUUUUN !!!
Blizzard wont ever do something that possibly has an crippling Impact on their Earnings. Too many Roque lovers and Fanboys.
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So it seems as if no one wants a genuine discussion about this shit, goddamn. It's always just wow he's butthurt, just don't want a stale repeat of last meta.
c'mon it's not like Blizzard will nerf every deck that becomes a tier 1 deck. They nerf decks that are too good and overall above 60% winrate. Sometimes they nerf cards from worse decks, but only because they are simply overpowered (like it was with Sac Pac). Galakrond Rogue is not even near 60% winrate and I don't even see it as a problem, so sorry dude but no....
Well you can't even spell "rogue", what did you expect? People taking you seriously?
It is, and it always will be the MOST problematic class, to a large part thanks to having the strongest basic / classic Set BEFORE the introduction of DH, which is the only class that matches it.
They missed the Opportunity to finally HoF Edwin VanCleef and that dumbster card Shadowstep, literally both of them cards that are winning games on its own.
Other cards that need urgently emergency Fixes
Blackjack Stunner - FIX: Remove (cost 2 more) I dunno who was possibly that drunk in the Card development team, but this little friend is by FAR and even with pre-nerfed Battlefiend in mind the most BROKEN 1 drop since ....probably pre-nerfed Undertaker ?! HELLO ?!? It is Sap AND Freezing Trap COMBINED for 1 Mana !!!!! and... ON A STICK !!!! The condition is waaay too easily met. GGNOTHXBLIZZ
Sap - FIX: Cost 3 Mana always a classic. I don't even mind Seal Fate, since Sap is WAY more busted at its cost, the amount of Tempo you get in making someone play that precious big minion again, is just instant game changing. Furthermore Roque spams these low cost high effect cards, and Opponents fall behind so much in tempo, that it's nearly impossible to recover.
Shadowjeweler Hanar - FIX: Cost 3 Mana Who am I NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS !! Who else is getting Flashbacks when this card is in Action. Building a Christmas Tree full of Value is almost as easy to accomplish as back in Secret Paly, the only argument saving this guy is the fact that its a Legendary, and it should be powerful. Yes, to an extend, but sure as hell NOT FOR 2 MANA.
Alright, too lazy for the descriptions of the others, but they all follow the same principle, Tempo balance in Mind and doing a BIT less for its Mana costs.
Heistbaron Togwaggle FIX: Cost 7 Mana
Galakrond, the Nightmare FIX: Battlecry: Draw 1 / 2 / 3 card. It costs (1)
Shadowstep FIX: Cost 1 Mana
Edwin VanCleef FIX: Cost 4 Mana
The entire Roque class needs a complete Nerf Overhaul to make it more on Par with the weaker other classes. Blizzard is clearly playing Favorites, they never nerf this class and instead giving them more busted new Toys every time, which is part of the reason I stop playing when yet another Roque Meta settles.
Reached Legend with Highlander Secret Galakrond Rogue today, no complains here;)
The classes on top are (surprise surprise) the classes with good card draw.
Paladin was on top until their card draw was rotated to wild. Aggro Pala held in while Crystology existed.. But now that's gone too.
Priest was on top while Lyra/Raza/DK Anduin were in standard, but they were all draw dependent decks.. They're now rotated.
Warriors losing Acolyte crippled them pretty harshly.
Meanwhile Demon Hunters have had wave after waves of nerfs on the wrong cards, Rogue is currently on top for its great card draw and tempo, and Galakrond Warlock for being able to draw through all of its board removals and win conditions.
It's retarded how Blizzard made the two buff orientated classes have a severe weakness in card draw, while Rogues, DHs and Warlocks have all of their strengths without the weakness.
Thank you for having the most genuine response to this post, I really appreciate it. I agree with every single change you called for.
If you do that you spend your whole turn removing and do not develop a board. How is that broken? You can even play around that with 3/4s for 3 mana. It's a pretty common statline and demands an Eviscerate to deal with. Or is it only the lackey you have a problem with? It's much less tempo compared to the 2/1 rush from shaman for example and therefore you die to aggro more often than any other class. *wink* Demon Hunter *wink*
I do not want to sound harsh on this one, but how is demanding several nerfs with few to no proof of problematic evidence a genuine answer?
Because he isn't saying i'm butthurt or just complaining that I'm wrong, all of those cards are clearly not that well balanced. Not all of them need ot be changed but some of them could be changed for the better.
So anyone that is not supporting your opinion is complaining?
Didnt read lol
Rogue is not broken at all. Demon Hunter is still very good.
Yes let’s just kill rogue as class I can see this not even happening stop you bitching.
not every good decks need to be nerfed buddy
"The next round". Geez. Paladin and Shaman nerfs when?
It's not their fault Blizzard can't balance a game.
Keymaster Alabaster come faster
That's generally how people on the internet work these days. Everyone is now growing up in a world where they are told all their ideas are wonderful so when someone eventually disagrees with them they can't differentiate between a personal attack and a difference of opinions.
Indeed true. As long as you agree you're right about everything, the second you disagree you better watch out.
P.S. Quote me on this but none of these nerfs above going to happen.
And this is big part of the problem, you are right, Roque is NEVER seeing nerfs.
Roque is universally accepted as the sole worthy Tier S class.
1) Its the most popular class, since its so FUN to play and interactive ..... xD
2) "None game is like the other, its so FUN and exciting !!!!!1"
3) They are best to look at on Streams, OMG ROQUE SO FUN !!!!1"
4) Youtube Highlight Reels
5) Did I mention FUN ?!?!? FUN FUN FUUUUUN !!!
Blizzard wont ever do something that possibly has an crippling Impact on their Earnings. Too many Roque lovers and Fanboys.