just wondering why in wild i can create standard deck. Yes i understand that wild means EVERY CARDS. But to me it's not fair that people just use for example odd rogue to rank in wild because in standard they are not good enought. Why not blizzard put a filter, like "you must have at least 1 wild card". Could be a simple way to fix a wrong thing about wild and also incentivate people to try other cards/tech involving deckbuilding skills .
Why would they? If you choose not to play any Wild cards, it is usually a disadvantage to you.
From time to time, there have been Standard only decks being able to reach legend in Wild, but so what? Right now, the Wild versions of the most common Standard archetypes are significantly stronger than their counterparts, like pirate odd rogue, jade even shaman, Mal'Ganis/Voidcaller warlocks and Aviana/Kun combo decks.
Why would they? If you choose not to play any Wild cards, it is usually a disadvantage to you.
From time to time, there have been Standard only decks being able to reach legend in Wild, but so what? Right now, the Wild versions of the most common Standard archetypes are significantly stronger than their counterparts, like pirate odd rogue, jade even shaman, Mal'Ganis/vdidcaller warlocks and Aviana/Kun combo decks.
The problem is that a lot of player just run away from standard because most of the decks there are really... frustrating. Wild is much better, yes there are a lot of strong deck but perhaps A LOT. Standard is like pally druid and rogue. People, like me, run in wild to test new decks and avoid standard player. And then? This morning 7 odd rogue in 10 game... Wtf, i think this is not healty for playing wild. You use only standard cards? YOU PLAY STANDARD. Like in MTG i think there must be a rule...
Just my opinion,
when i look at my deck i just don't find sense to play standard deck in wild when i could just play std.
Please bring your Standard decks to Wild so we can crush you with the same cards as yours but better :P
There is no need to put restrictions on Wild. It is, by definition, restriction-free. Unlike Standard of course where you are forced to keep spending in order to keep up since cards leave Standard every year.
Why would they? If you choose not to play any Wild cards, it is usually a disadvantage to you.
From time to time, there have been Standard only decks being able to reach legend in Wild, but so what? Right now, the Wild versions of the most common Standard archetypes are significantly stronger than their counterparts, like pirate odd rogue, jade even shaman, Mal'Ganis/vdidcaller warlocks and Aviana/Kun combo decks.
The problem is that a lot of player just run away from standard because most of the decks there are really... frustrating. Wild is much better, yes there are a lot of strong deck but perhaps A LOT. Standard is like pally druid and rogue. People, like me, run in wild to test new decks and avoid standard player. And then? This morning 7 odd rogue in 10 game... Wtf, i think this is not healty for playing wild. You use only standard cards? YOU PLAY STANDARD. Like in MTG i think there must be a rule...
Just my opinion,
when i look at my deck i just don't find sense to play standard deck in wild when i could just play std.
Restrictions on Wild are a terrible idea. Wild is meant to be the unrestricted format that’s the whole point.
Wild is any card. Standard cards and decks are by definition also wild decks.
All decks are wild but not all wild decks are standard.
Some people want to go from standard to wild without the wild only/exclusive cards to have a go at it. They wouldn’t be able to do this with a restriction.
Why would they? If you choose not to play any Wild cards, it is usually a disadvantage to you.
From time to time, there have been Standard only decks being able to reach legend in Wild, but so what? Right now, the Wild versions of the most common Standard archetypes are significantly stronger than their counterparts, like pirate odd rogue, jade even shaman, Mal'Ganis/vdidcaller warlocks and Aviana/Kun combo decks.
The problem is that a lot of player just run away from standard because most of the decks there are really... frustrating. Wild is much better, yes there are a lot of strong deck but perhaps A LOT. Standard is like pally druid and rogue. People, like me, run in wild to test new decks and avoid standard player. And then? This morning 7 odd rogue in 10 game... Wtf, i think this is not healty for playing wild. You use only standard cards? YOU PLAY STANDARD. Like in MTG i think there must be a rule...
Just my opinion,
when i look at my deck i just don't find sense to play standard deck in wild when i could just play std.
Let's complain about senseless thinks like this topic, what can go wrong?
It's not senseless,
the feelign is that people just change the 2 "world" just to rank using standard t1 decks. Stop saying that "COME IN WILD I FUC*YOU WITH MY BIG PRIEST". Standard player that are sick of standard just go to wild and craft some cards to... se standard decks? Come on.
Your opinion is trash. If anyone wants to play with less chance to win just let it be. If one wild card were allowed in standard every single competitive deck would run that wild card, why are you complaining about dumb people trying to have some fun in wild and getting smashed?
All cards are wild. As previously mentioned a standard version of tempo rogue is weaker than their wild counter part. If you can't beat standard odd rogue you will also lose to wild tempo rogue.
As mentioned above, let people play their Standart decks in Wild. It is not advantage at all. Wild Tempo Odd Rogue with Pirates will destroy it's Standart counterpart, Big Priest will laugh at Big Druid, Renolock and Cubelock will feast on Controllock and Standart Cubelock, Aviana/Kun MalyDruid will rape Malygos Druid. Even Shaman will destroy it's Standart counterpart before turn 6. (I think I will stop there because you get my point). Often enough playing only Standart deck in Wild won't get you higher than rank 5 where actually true Wild tryhard meta begins. I just don't see a problem here.
I get what you mean, but I don't share it. Standard decks have less tools in wild. If you got to play against 7 odd rouges maybe it was just bad luck, or maybe you played against the same person same games (if it was a not-too-crowded hour).
Back to your idea, I don't feel that having just one wild card changes much... You could just change a not too important card with one with the same stats, and be able to play in wild...
What I thinks is that this could be the start of a brawl idea: A %0% standard 50% wild deck. But, that would leave many standard and new players out of the game.
Why would they? If you choose not to play any Wild cards, it is usually a disadvantage to you.
From time to time, there have been Standard only decks being able to reach legend in Wild, but so what? Right now, the Wild versions of the most common Standard archetypes are significantly stronger than their counterparts, like pirate odd rogue, jade even shaman, Mal'Ganis/vdidcaller warlocks and Aviana/Kun combo decks.
The problem is that a lot of player just run away from standard because most of the decks there are really... frustrating. Wild is much better, yes there are a lot of strong deck but perhaps A LOT. Standard is like pally druid and rogue. People, like me, run in wild to test new decks and avoid standard player. And then? This morning 7 odd rogue in 10 game... Wtf, i think this is not healty for playing wild. You use only standard cards? YOU PLAY STANDARD. Like in MTG i think there must be a rule...
Just my opinion,
when i look at my deck i just don't find sense to play standard deck in wild when i could just play std.
This is your problem, there is currently no game more in HS, where it is safe to "test new decks", not Standard, not Wild and not even casual. Ppl will play top decks in each mode just cause they can. Sadly, you rly do need to shake this mindset that "this mode is for me to try out fun stuff", no it isnt. You can still try it out, but you have to accept that you will play vs meta decks 9/10 games. Or play vs Inkeeper or friend. Sadly there is no alternative atm. Lets hope a solution to this will emerge in the future i suppose.
just wondering why in wild i can create standard deck. Yes i understand that wild means EVERY CARDS. But to me it's not fair that people just use for example odd rogue to rank in wild because in standard they are not good enought. Why not blizzard put a filter, like "you must have at least 1 wild card". Could be a simple way to fix a wrong thing about wild and also incentivate people to try other cards/tech involving deckbuilding skills .
What do you think?
As a predominately wild player I find your post utterly offensive. To suggest wild players aren’t good enough to play standard is idiotic. In fact I play odd rogue and half the cards are from wild. Doesn’t mean I don’t play decks OtK druid either Would you prefer everyone play big priest ?
The decks there are more refined and full of countless possibilities where as in standard you’re just stuck with the same cookie cutter decks as the next player.
An how would you know this if you , yourself didn’t queue up for wild. Pretty sure everyone is entitled to play what they want in what format they want. So let’s stop the petty insults and enjoy a game we all love.
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just wondering why in wild i can create standard deck. Yes i understand that wild means EVERY CARDS. But to me it's not fair that people just use for example odd rogue to rank in wild because in standard they are not good enought. Why not blizzard put a filter, like "you must have at least 1 wild card". Could be a simple way to fix a wrong thing about wild and also incentivate people to try other cards/tech involving deckbuilding skills .
What do you think?
Those who play Standard decks in Wild are just limiting themselves without any reason, so it should be easier for decks who use the full powerhouse of Wild cards to stomp them. Also, as yourself had stated, in Wild you can use every card without limitation so a Standard deck still remain a Wild deck.
I've never understood the logic behind this argument tbh.
So many players getting salty over losing to standard decks in wild, and thus wanting to force them to have a certain percentage of wild cards in their decks. Okay... wild is meant to be a format where your deckbuilding isn't restricted and you can play more or less how you want. However, say that we did force players to have one or more wild cards in their decks, you would still have standard decks smashing wild decks in many cases (this wouldn't change & the same salty players would still be salty). It is just that instead of a pure standard Odd Pally deck running over your control or combo deck you would have a modified Odd Pally deck smashing you with things like Muster.
I always see this arguement as a thinly veiled attempt to prevent running into standard meta decks while you're playing in wild. That wouldn't happen.
EDIT: Another thing to consider is if you did require standard decks in wild to have one or more wild cards how would newer players who have no wild cards get into the format then?
Hi,
just wondering why in wild i can create standard deck.
Yes i understand that wild means EVERY CARDS.
But to me it's not fair that people just use for example odd rogue to rank in wild because in standard they are not good enought.
Why not blizzard put a filter, like "you must have at least 1 wild card".
Could be a simple way to fix a wrong thing about wild and also incentivate people to try other cards/tech involving deckbuilding skills .
What do you think?
Leper Gnome
Why would they? If you choose not to play any Wild cards, it is usually a disadvantage to you.
From time to time, there have been Standard only decks being able to reach legend in Wild, but so what? Right now, the Wild versions of the most common Standard archetypes are significantly stronger than their counterparts, like pirate odd rogue, jade even shaman, Mal'Ganis/Voidcaller warlocks and Aviana/Kun combo decks.
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The problem is that a lot of player just run away from standard because most of the decks there are really... frustrating.
Wild is much better, yes there are a lot of strong deck but perhaps A LOT.
Standard is like pally druid and rogue.
People, like me, run in wild to test new decks and avoid standard player.
And then? This morning 7 odd rogue in 10 game... Wtf, i think this is not healty for playing wild. You use only standard cards? YOU PLAY STANDARD. Like in MTG i think there must be a rule...
Just my opinion,
when i look at my deck i just don't find sense to play standard deck in wild when i could just play std.
Leper Gnome
Please bring your Standard decks to Wild so we can crush you with the same cards as yours but better :P
There is no need to put restrictions on Wild. It is, by definition, restriction-free. Unlike Standard of course where you are forced to keep spending in order to keep up since cards leave Standard every year.
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Wild <3
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Leper Gnome
Restrictions on Wild are a terrible idea. Wild is meant to be the unrestricted format that’s the whole point.
Wild is any card. Standard cards and decks are by definition also wild decks.
All decks are wild but not all wild decks are standard.
Some people want to go from standard to wild without the wild only/exclusive cards to have a go at it. They wouldn’t be able to do this with a restriction.
I mean, one of them.
The other just killed me in 6 turn
Leper Gnome
Let's complain about senseless thinks like this topic, what can go wrong?
I will crush you!
It's not senseless,
the feelign is that people just change the 2 "world" just to rank using standard t1 decks.
Stop saying that "COME IN WILD I FUC*YOU WITH MY BIG PRIEST".
Standard player that are sick of standard just go to wild and craft some cards to... se standard decks? Come on.
Leper Gnome
Casual and ladder are different things and ladder should be fixed to at least 1 wild card.
IMO
I M O
Leper Gnome
Your opinion is trash. If anyone wants to play with less chance to win just let it be. If one wild card were allowed in standard every single competitive deck would run that wild card, why are you complaining about dumb people trying to have some fun in wild and getting smashed?
I will crush you!
All cards are wild. As previously mentioned a standard version of tempo rogue is weaker than their wild counter part. If you can't beat standard odd rogue you will also lose to wild tempo rogue.
No, this is a non-issue. Wild is played WAY less than Standard, in the ballpark of 1/10 to 1/20 of the number of games.
Yes, you will find Standard only decks in the low ranks of Wild. So what? Just add some Wild cards and crush them all...
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As mentioned above, let people play their Standart decks in Wild. It is not advantage at all. Wild Tempo Odd Rogue with Pirates will destroy it's Standart counterpart, Big Priest will laugh at Big Druid, Renolock and Cubelock will feast on Controllock and Standart Cubelock, Aviana/Kun MalyDruid will rape Malygos Druid. Even Shaman will destroy it's Standart counterpart before turn 6. (I think I will stop there because you get my point). Often enough playing only Standart deck in Wild won't get you higher than rank 5 where actually true Wild tryhard meta begins. I just don't see a problem here.
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I get what you mean, but I don't share it. Standard decks have less tools in wild. If you got to play against 7 odd rouges maybe it was just bad luck, or maybe you played against the same person same games (if it was a not-too-crowded hour).
Back to your idea, I don't feel that having just one wild card changes much... You could just change a not too important card with one with the same stats, and be able to play in wild...
What I thinks is that this could be the start of a brawl idea: A %0% standard 50% wild deck. But, that would leave many standard and new players out of the game.
"Wild" mode wouldn't be so wild if it was restricted in any way... they would have to rename it to "Tame" mode.
This is your problem, there is currently no game more in HS, where it is safe to "test new decks", not Standard, not Wild and not even casual. Ppl will play top decks in each mode just cause they can. Sadly, you rly do need to shake this mindset that "this mode is for me to try out fun stuff", no it isnt. You can still try it out, but you have to accept that you will play vs meta decks 9/10 games. Or play vs Inkeeper or friend. Sadly there is no alternative atm. Lets hope a solution to this will emerge in the future i suppose.
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I think you don't actually understand what i mean.
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Leper Gnome
Those who play Standard decks in Wild are just limiting themselves without any reason, so it should be easier for decks who use the full powerhouse of Wild cards to stomp them. Also, as yourself had stated, in Wild you can use every card without limitation so a Standard deck still remain a Wild deck.
For what profit is it to a man, if he gains the world and loses his own soul?
I've never understood the logic behind this argument tbh.
So many players getting salty over losing to standard decks in wild, and thus wanting to force them to have a certain percentage of wild cards in their decks. Okay... wild is meant to be a format where your deckbuilding isn't restricted and you can play more or less how you want. However, say that we did force players to have one or more wild cards in their decks, you would still have standard decks smashing wild decks in many cases (this wouldn't change & the same salty players would still be salty). It is just that instead of a pure standard Odd Pally deck running over your control or combo deck you would have a modified Odd Pally deck smashing you with things like Muster.
I always see this arguement as a thinly veiled attempt to prevent running into standard meta decks while you're playing in wild. That wouldn't happen.
EDIT: Another thing to consider is if you did require standard decks in wild to have one or more wild cards how would newer players who have no wild cards get into the format then?