I'm making this thread because I really don't know what to do, how to play anymore. In the past couple of weeks/months I have tried so much decks, watched hours of streams, read tons of guides but I cannot come any higher then rank 10.
I play since a few months after the beta, but have quit for quite a while. Is there such a big difference between now and then? I doubt it will be my card collection that is the problem as I do have almost all class specific legendaries (except druid as I don't play it.)
- Freeze Mage (Novice Engineer sub forBloodmage Thalnos - Handlock - Renolock - Control Priest ( Standard ) - Dragon Priest - Tempo Mage - Control Hunter - Secret Paladin - Aggro Paladin - Control Warrior / Reno Warrior - Aggro Shaman
For some reason I don't like playing aggro decks. That is why I usually end up playing control decks like CW or Control Priest. But even though I have quite a lot of cards (also most epic cards / all rares) I cannot get higher then rank 10.
Do you guys have any other tips or suggestions? I know about deck tracking. I try it, but cannot find a good deck tracker for mac. (Have tried HSTracker, but my macbook is gonna lag like crazy with it).
Stick to one deck. That's a good first step. Don't get so down on your deck for losing streaks, stick with it and learn it. I've never been above 4 so I'm not some amazing player but when you stick with a deck you'll see that you'll rise in rank.
Stick to one deck. That's a good first step. Don't get so down on your deck for losing streaks, stick with it and learn it. I've never been above 4 so I'm not some amazing player but when you stick with a deck you'll see that you'll rise in rank.
That is a great tip. Thanks for that! Do you have any advice on what kind of deck to use? I know aggro means laddering faster, although I don't really care about time. I do have more then enough time to play HS atm, and 3 hours + a day isn't that rare for me. I like CW a lot, as well as priest decks and Reno Warlock ( those are my 3 golden heroes as well... Might explain my choices for them.)
I'm getting pretty frustrated as my winrate is a bit less then 50% at all times. So i can get a small win streak, then fall back to 10 again and afraid to play again..
Pick a deck you enjoy that is considered "good." It doesn't have to be a #1 deck or anything.
Play a lot of games with it (100+), so you learn how to adapt to various match-ups. For example, what are the best silence targets? Do you need to play aggressively or do you need to slow down? How do you win the matchup, and how do you lose it? How can you play around AoE? What choices will interfere with their strategy?
Consider all your options each turn. Is there any merit to playing Big Game Hunter this turn without getting value from the battlecry? Should you play that extra minion now, or save it and hero power? Which helps the game plan you've chosen for this match?
Understand that some decks are simply broken right now, and that Blizzard hopes to address that soon with Standard mode. In some matches, the opponent's Aggro Shaman/Tempo Mage/Secret Paladin/Patron Warrior will simply draw perfectly, and there's nothing you could have done. However, that works both ways - sometimes you'll steamroll your opponent as a result of good RNG. It all evens out.
Anything above 60% is a very good winrate. You might be tempted to think that playing perfectly = 100% winrate, but the game has too much RNG for that. If someone advertises their deck as "85% winrate to Legend!," know that they A) are lying, B) got very lucky, C) are very practiced with the deck, D) legitimately broke the meta, which will quickly self-correct, or E) some combination of those.
Remember why you are playing. For fun? To challenge yourself to climb? To improve as a player? To grind for a golden hero? Keeping an eye on the goal can help you stay focused.
Say your goal is rank 5, any rank short of that doesn't matter. Scared to fall from 7 to 10? Doesn't matter, because you weren't to 5 yet anyway.
Freeze, Renolock, Secret Pally, Aggro Shaman, and Tempo Mage should all eventually get you through rank 10. It sounds like people are having success with Smorcadin as well, although that is shocking to me given how much Freeze and Renolock should eat its lunch. You might consider Zoo, which isn't proper aggro but plays fast enough games to help you ladder efficiently and has solid winrates.
Forget about your Priest, Warrior, and Hunter decks. I switched to Control Priest around rank 9 or 10; but with bad match-ups against Druid (rampant on the ladder), Reno, and Freeze, I have fallen back to 12-13 and consistently bounce around that rank. I am likely headed back to Freeze Mage or Zoo. Control Warrior has too many bad match-ups atm as well, although Patron is solid if you want to switch to that deck. Midrange Hunter just isn't tuned enough to be successful at higher ranks; and Hunter doesn't have enough kit to run a control variant successfully.
I'm not a Secret Pally expert, but your deck feels a little schizophrenic to me. You have an aggro-ish early game with Secret Keeper, Creeper, Ironbeak, etc.; but then you're missing card draw entirely and transition to a bunch of midrange minions. It seems like you either need to commit to an aggro framework and add some card draw, cards like Abusive that help you deal more damage and/or trade up and Loatheb to kill board clears, or go in the other direction and pursue a more midrange build. I believe the latter is the preferred Secret Pally build now.
Now if you'll excuse me, I either need to shower, get drunk, or both after trying to help someone play Secret Pally better.
So, pick a deck that works, stick with it and tech/tune it. Also, some may disagree, but don't be afraid to concede an obviously dead match-up if you're disadvantaged and don't have a comeback mechanic. No reason for you to waste 20 minutes watching someone beat you in a bad control / fatigue match-up if you've emptied your gun or just have bad draw. You could win another game in the time it takes to finish 1-2 prolonged lossses.
I'm getting pretty frustrated as my winrate is a bit less then 50% at all times. So i can get a small win streak, then fall back to 10 again and afraid to play again..
Have you tried dropping the belchers? The paladin 4 drops are really good, so maybe drop the belchers for an extra consecration.
Unless you are facing a lot of ctrl priest, try swapping out 1 uldaman for 1 peacekeeper.
Pick a deck you enjoy that is considered "good." It doesn't have to be a #1 deck or anything.
Play a lot of games with it (100+), so you learn how to adapt to various match-ups. For example, what are the best silence targets? Do you need to play aggressively or do you need to slow down? How do you win the matchup, and how do you lose it? How can you play around AoE? What choices will interfere with their strategy?
Consider all your options each turn. Is there any merit to playing Big Game Hunter this turn without getting value from the battlecry? Should you play that extra minion now, or save it and hero power? Which helps the game plan you've chosen for this match?
Understand that some decks are simply broken right now, and that Blizzard hopes to address that soon with Standard mode. In some matches, the opponent's Aggro Shaman/Tempo Mage/Secret Paladin/Patron Warrior will simply draw perfectly, and there's nothing you could have done. However, that works both ways - sometimes you'll steamroll your opponent as a result of good RNG. It all evens out.
Anything above 60% is a very good winrate. You might be tempted to think that playing perfectly = 100% winrate, but the game has too much RNG for that. If someone advertises their deck as "85% winrate to Legend!," know that they A) are lying, B) got very lucky, C) are very practiced with the deck, D) legitimately broke the meta, which will quickly self-correct, or E) some combination of those.
Remember why you are playing. For fun? To challenge yourself to climb? To improve as a player? To grind for a golden hero? Keeping an eye on the goal can help you stay focused.
Say your goal is rank 5, any rank short of that doesn't matter. Scared to fall from 7 to 10? Doesn't matter, because you weren't to 5 yet anyway.
Good luck!
Adding to this:
- Got tilted? Get away from the game for some hours. Take a walk, get a drink, go to the cinema. It's the main reason to play bad after some loses.
The deck looks fine, I would drop a belcher for an earlier minion though, maybe a Creeper (or Blessing of Kings).
Also, there was a time when my win rate dropped after a few months because I thought out the plays too much and played too conservatively. You need to learn how your deck wins and play to that style. For example if you have an aggro deck playing around AOE is just going to slow to the game down and into their favor.
I don't mean to be rude in any mean but you're running good to excellent decks.The discussions about your secret paladin in order to make it slightly better, out of respect for the value of what has been said, are worthless: any good player could go legend quickly with this list or modifying a very restricted amount of cards, trust me. Therefore, the real problem comes from the way you play, or from a lack of experience with a restricted selection of decks (none is good with 20 different decks, even pros), more reasonably you'll be able to master 2 to 5 decks. That said, I recognize myself being good with a very little amount of decks, but I encounter no problem reaching rank 10 with most of the decks, even the one i ain't good with.
As I explained to an other player somewhere else, you'd rather play 300 games with one deck rather than 100x3 with three different decks.
Something really good to improve your skills is also to play with a friend (of a good level, obviously) commenting on your plays as it was serious business. It could be irritating first, but it really helps improving your plays.
I think you really do need to get a deck tracker, you can't beat knowing your personal win rates, alternatively try logging on a spreadsheet.
For me this month I am using Dragon Priest with 63% win rate, Aggro Shaman with 66% win rate and Midrange Hunter with 70% win rate. I expect to get to rank 5 before my win rates start to drop.
My advices are : Play your favorite deck,a lot, even if it isn't considered top tier. I climb easily to rank 5 every season with Echo Mage , because I have 300+ games on it and I can beat any opponent with a good draw because I know every single aspect of my deck. You like CW, just play it ! Some reach top legends with it, so why not getting the deck past rank 10? You will always have better results with a deck You like, because you are more concerned about your play, and are less likely to give up. For exemple, when I loose as Reno Hunt or Avianal, I don't care: I try to see what I did wrong and how I could improve.When I loose with top tier boring deck, I just get pissed off and stop playing. Also about the plays in game, You have to know every single card of your opponent deck (I often refer to tempostorm) and the possible tech, and play around every single them... but always consider risk/ reward: calculate if the fact of not taking a risk will allow you to win later, or if it will just delay the unavoidable. Especially true for Reno decks.
The time of the day you play is also a factor. In my country, playing from 19:00 to 2:00 is suicide. The best players usually play during those hours. Early in the morning you may find office workers playing one game during a bathroom break, instead of the college student who plays games until 6 a.m. and that is now asleep. Which one do you want as an opponent? If you want legend, there is no shame in avoiding opponents better than you and preying on weak ones. That's the only way you have to affect matchmaking, use it! (obviously consider your job/study obligations if you have them. I'll assume you're a sensible person)
Anything above 60% is a very good winrate. You might be tempted to think that playing perfectly = 100% winrate, but the game has too much RNG for that. If someone advertises their deck as "85% winrate to Legend!," know that they A) are lying, B) got very lucky, C) are very practiced with the deck, D) legitimately broke the meta, which will quickly self-correct, or E) some combination of those
I'd like to add F) They are ommiting the sample size. I can get a 75% winrate with my decks every day (if I only consider the last 4 games played, that is). Way more useful to me is that they said "Rank 20->legend in 400 games", you can't cherrypick that number as easily as percentages.
A lot of the advice here has been good, man, but I've got nothing to add since I'm mostly like you. I play casually, though I've invested a ton of cash and time in the game-- just never got over that "Hump". One season I came 1 win away from hitting rank 9, but never again. I think since then I may have hit rank 12 once. Typically I hover between 12-15, and it's frustrating. Just keep at it-- i think the best advice so far is to stick with a single deck, through thick and thin, that will always be strong in any meta (control warrior, dragon priest, druid).
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Hello all,
I'm making this thread because I really don't know what to do, how to play anymore.
In the past couple of weeks/months I have tried so much decks, watched hours of streams, read tons of guides but I cannot come any higher then rank 10.
I play since a few months after the beta, but have quit for quite a while. Is there such a big difference between now and then?
I doubt it will be my card collection that is the problem as I do have almost all class specific legendaries (except druid as I don't play it.)
Also I do have the following neutral legendaries:
King Mukla, Harrison Jones, Justicar Trueheart, Sylvanas Windrunner, The Black Knight, Baron Geddon, Dr. Boom, Ysera, Hogger, Alexstrasza, Onyxia.
The current decks that I have tried are:
- Freeze Mage (Novice Engineer sub forBloodmage Thalnos
- Handlock
- Renolock
- Control Priest ( Standard )
- Dragon Priest
- Tempo Mage
- Control Hunter
- Secret Paladin
- Aggro Paladin
- Control Warrior / Reno Warrior
- Aggro Shaman
For some reason I don't like playing aggro decks. That is why I usually end up playing control decks like CW or Control Priest.
But even though I have quite a lot of cards (also most epic cards / all rares) I cannot get higher then rank 10.
Do you guys have any other tips or suggestions? I know about deck tracking. I try it, but cannot find a good deck tracker for mac. (Have tried HSTracker, but my macbook is gonna lag like crazy with it).
Thanks a lot for your help in advance!
Stick to one deck. That's a good first step. Don't get so down on your deck for losing streaks, stick with it and learn it. I've never been above 4 so I'm not some amazing player but when you stick with a deck you'll see that you'll rise in rank.
I like CW a lot, as well as priest decks and Reno Warlock ( those are my 3 golden heroes as well... Might explain my choices for them.)
For secret pally I am running this list :
http://images.eurogamer.net/2016/metabomb/secretpaladindecklistfebruary2016.jpg
Does it need to have adjustments?
I'm getting pretty frustrated as my winrate is a bit less then 50% at all times. So i can get a small win streak, then fall back to 10 again and afraid to play again..
My advice:
Good luck!
Feel free to add me if you play on NA! iMPose#1429
Freeze, Renolock, Secret Pally, Aggro Shaman, and Tempo Mage should all eventually get you through rank 10. It sounds like people are having success with Smorcadin as well, although that is shocking to me given how much Freeze and Renolock should eat its lunch. You might consider Zoo, which isn't proper aggro but plays fast enough games to help you ladder efficiently and has solid winrates.
Forget about your Priest, Warrior, and Hunter decks. I switched to Control Priest around rank 9 or 10; but with bad match-ups against Druid (rampant on the ladder), Reno, and Freeze, I have fallen back to 12-13 and consistently bounce around that rank. I am likely headed back to Freeze Mage or Zoo. Control Warrior has too many bad match-ups atm as well, although Patron is solid if you want to switch to that deck. Midrange Hunter just isn't tuned enough to be successful at higher ranks; and Hunter doesn't have enough kit to run a control variant successfully.
I'm not a Secret Pally expert, but your deck feels a little schizophrenic to me. You have an aggro-ish early game with Secret Keeper, Creeper, Ironbeak, etc.; but then you're missing card draw entirely and transition to a bunch of midrange minions. It seems like you either need to commit to an aggro framework and add some card draw, cards like Abusive that help you deal more damage and/or trade up and Loatheb to kill board clears, or go in the other direction and pursue a more midrange build. I believe the latter is the preferred Secret Pally build now.
Now if you'll excuse me, I either need to shower, get drunk, or both after trying to help someone play Secret Pally better.
So, pick a deck that works, stick with it and tech/tune it. Also, some may disagree, but don't be afraid to concede an obviously dead match-up if you're disadvantaged and don't have a comeback mechanic. No reason for you to waste 20 minutes watching someone beat you in a bad control / fatigue match-up if you've emptied your gun or just have bad draw. You could win another game in the time it takes to finish 1-2 prolonged lossses.
The deck looks fine, I would drop a belcher for an earlier minion though, maybe a Creeper (or Blessing of Kings).
Also, there was a time when my win rate dropped after a few months because I thought out the plays too much and played too conservatively. You need to learn how your deck wins and play to that style. For example if you have an aggro deck playing around AOE is just going to slow to the game down and into their favor.
I don't mean to be rude in any mean but you're running good to excellent decks.The discussions about your secret paladin in order to make it slightly better, out of respect for the value of what has been said, are worthless: any good player could go legend quickly with this list or modifying a very restricted amount of cards, trust me.
Therefore, the real problem comes from the way you play, or from a lack of experience with a restricted selection of decks (none is good with 20 different decks, even pros), more reasonably you'll be able to master 2 to 5 decks. That said, I recognize myself being good with a very little amount of decks, but I encounter no problem reaching rank 10 with most of the decks, even the one i ain't good with.
As I explained to an other player somewhere else, you'd rather play 300 games with one deck rather than 100x3 with three different decks.
Something really good to improve your skills is also to play with a friend (of a good level, obviously) commenting on your plays as it was serious business. It could be irritating first, but it really helps improving your plays.
I think you really do need to get a deck tracker, you can't beat knowing your personal win rates, alternatively try logging on a spreadsheet.
For me this month I am using Dragon Priest with 63% win rate, Aggro Shaman with 66% win rate and Midrange Hunter with 70% win rate. I expect to get to rank 5 before my win rates start to drop.
My advices are : Play your favorite deck,a lot, even if it isn't considered top tier. I climb easily to rank 5 every season with Echo Mage , because I have 300+ games on it and I can beat any opponent with a good draw because I know every single aspect of my deck. You like CW, just play it ! Some reach top legends with it, so why not getting the deck past rank 10? You will always have better results with a deck You like, because you are more concerned about your play, and are less likely to give up. For exemple, when I loose as Reno Hunt or Avianal, I don't care: I try to see what I did wrong and how I could improve.When I loose with top tier boring deck, I just get pissed off and stop playing. Also about the plays in game, You have to know every single card of your opponent deck (I often refer to tempostorm) and the possible tech, and play around every single them... but always consider risk/ reward: calculate if the fact of not taking a risk will allow you to win later, or if it will just delay the unavoidable. Especially true for Reno decks.
The time of the day you play is also a factor. In my country, playing from 19:00 to 2:00 is suicide. The best players usually play during those hours. Early in the morning you may find office workers playing one game during a bathroom break, instead of the college student who plays games until 6 a.m. and that is now asleep. Which one do you want as an opponent? If you want legend, there is no shame in avoiding opponents better than you and preying on weak ones. That's the only way you have to affect matchmaking, use it! (obviously consider your job/study obligations if you have them. I'll assume you're a sensible person)
PS:
I'd like to add F) They are ommiting the sample size. I can get a 75% winrate with my decks every day (if I only consider the last 4 games played, that is). Way more useful to me is that they said "Rank 20->legend in 400 games", you can't cherrypick that number as easily as percentages.
A lot of the advice here has been good, man, but I've got nothing to add since I'm mostly like you. I play casually, though I've invested a ton of cash and time in the game-- just never got over that "Hump". One season I came 1 win away from hitting rank 9, but never again. I think since then I may have hit rank 12 once. Typically I hover between 12-15, and it's frustrating. Just keep at it-- i think the best advice so far is to stick with a single deck, through thick and thin, that will always be strong in any meta (control warrior, dragon priest, druid).