"Uninteractive" seems to be the buzzword of the season, and it's getting tiresome to see it in every post and comment. Instead of complaining about it, why not just punish it yourself?
Every deck has a counter. All you have to do is look for the red boxes on the HSReplay meta report.
Even if you don't want to play the specific deck that counters the one you hate, you can still make some adjustments to a deck you do like. Taunts utterly destroy Quest Druid. Robes of Protection makes life a lot harder for any spell-heavy deck, especially the ones with no minions at all. If you don't like aggro, use Handbuff Paladin.
Honestly, Handbuff Paladin is the only deck I'd consider problematic at the moment, but no one complains about it because it seems interactive. The truth is that its only bad matchups are Quest Mage and Quest Rogue, and it can tech Robes to help against those.
Anyway, instead of more bitching, maybe use this thread constructively and post your own solutions. How do you counter the decks you consider toxic?
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Most sensible people know that Buff Paladin, Aggro Hunter and Elemental Shaman are incredibly strong. We don't want a meta dominated by them. Really, we don't..we just went through a meta where paladin was crushing left and right...
But the bottom line is watching an opponent play with themslves for 7-10 minutes then kill you is not fun...at all. You can't tech against every degenerate deck either. People are upset at the size of the hole Blizzard has dug themselves into this time - and balance and winrates have little to do with it - all classes having a decent meta deck counts for little if the game is no fun to play - fun comes from feeling like you can influence the outcome of games with decisions, actual gameplay...and yes, interaction.
Earlier today, I was playing against a quest mage, and he was just like, drawing random cards and playing nothing. I was sure he had a bunch of minion targeting spells in hand, ready to play against my stuff.
The minions in my hand were not Robes of Protection, so I had to choose to just not play cards, or play cards that will certainly get removed and allow my opponent to get closer to victory.
Yes, indeed, a single tech card can make the difference in hard match ups, but it only helps if you draw it! Thanks RNG!
Then I decided to play quest warlock, to counter the bullshit with bullshit. Certainly I won't run into a handbuff paladin running robes. Not to worry, I have Nightshade Matron to counter a robes. Unless they put it behind a taunt. Perfect.
Alright kids, what deck should I play next? It definitely won't get countered by the first matchup I get.
I'm looking at evolve shaman, featuring Revolve. Perfect against those pesky good handbuff paladins! Now to queue up this jank mess of a deck and NEVER SEE ANOTHER PALADIN AGAIN - HOOOOOOOOOO!
*This message was brought you in part by, a mildly salty losing streak and viewers like you. Thank you!
What did I say about not bitching? When did anyone ever mention win rates? Please don't hijack threads with your tirades. There are other threads for the thing you want to talk about.
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Since they somehow manage to draw the right cards in the right time and dont care about my counters like robe, tower, etc. and not like me, waiting 10 turns until finally one of my 5 2-mana cards gets drawn, i switched to rope mode. Yes, if they could, all adhs questplayers would down vote me to hell, but i just do other stuff while finishing my daily and weekly quests. I play other games in the background, prepare food, watch streams and rope to the last millisecond every turn. So i gain at least some season xp and prevent them to bother other players and nullifying their plan to win each match in two minutes. Btw. the more i rope, the more errors they make and the more time i actually have to rethink my own turn. Actually roping made me win more often because of their errors. You should give it a try. Rope is my tech and it works. But i also appreciate selfmade decks and concede to unique decks, to motivate them to stay away from netdecking. Heck, you even match against tryhard netdeckers in normal duel mode.
The problem with counters, tech cards, is that they make your deck worse against most opponents for the sake of making it just slightly better against a few. Most tech cards are just not worth putting in your deck because drawing them doesn’t get you closer to your deck’s win condition. Robes might be better than some, but then again it’s been around a while and wasn’t played much in previous metas. I think there is usually a better card to include.
The problem with counters, tech cards, is that they make your deck worse against most opponents for the sake of making it just slightly better against a few. Most tech cards are just not worth putting in your deck because drawing them doesn’t get you closer to your deck’s win condition. Robes might be better than some, but then again it’s been around a while and wasn’t played much in previous metas. I think there is usually a better card to include.
Clowns will always argue no problem, just use tech cards and act oblivious that a specified counter deck is weaker to the rest of the meta....also the matchmaker will seldom match you against a deck that you are teched against.
Most sensible people know that Buff Paladin, Aggro Hunter and Elemental Shaman are incredibly strong. We don't want a meta dominated by them. Really, we don't..we just went through a meta where paladin was crushing left and right...
But the bottom line is watching an opponent play with themslves for 7-10 minutes then kill you is not fun...at all. You can't tech against every degenerate deck either. People are upset at the size of the hole Blizzard has dug themselves into this time - and balance and winrates have little to do with it - all classes having a decent meta deck counts for little if the game is no fun to play - fun comes from feeling like you can influence the outcome of games with decisions, actual gameplay...and yes, interaction.
Since they somehow manage to draw the right cards in the right time and dont care about my counters like robe, tower, etc. and not like me, waiting 10 turns until finally one of my 5 2-mana cards gets drawn, i switched to rope mode. Yes, if they could, all adhs questplayers would down vote me to hell, but i just do other stuff while finishing my daily and weekly quests. I play other games in the background, prepare food, watch streams and rope to the last millisecond every turn. So i gain at least some season xp and prevent them to bother other players and nullifying their plan to win each match in two minutes. Btw. the more i rope, the more errors they make and the more time i actually have to rethink my own turn. Actually roping made me win more often because of their errors. You should give it a try. Rope is my tech and it works. But i also appreciate selfmade decks and concede to unique decks, to motivate them to stay away from netdecking. Heck, you even match against tryhard netdeckers in normal duel mode.
Yeh sure you motivate them a lot by wasting their time and then conceding so that they can’t play the game…
Roping is the single most toxic, unfair and children - like thing in the whole game. You disqualified yourself from any discussion
The problem with counters, tech cards, is that they make your deck worse against most opponents for the sake of making it just slightly better against a few. Most tech cards are just not worth putting in your deck because drawing them doesn’t get you closer to your deck’s win condition. Robes might be better than some, but then again it’s been around a while and wasn’t played much in previous metas. I think there is usually a better card to include.
Clowns will always argue no problem, just use tech cards and act oblivious that a specified counter deck is weaker to the rest of the meta....also the matchmaker will seldom match you against a deck that you are teched against.
The problem with counters, tech cards, is that they make your deck worse against most opponents for the sake of making it just slightly better against a few. Most tech cards are just not worth putting in your deck because drawing them doesn’t get you closer to your deck’s win condition. Robes might be better than some, but then again it’s been around a while and wasn’t played much in previous metas. I think there is usually a better card to include.
Clowns will always argue no problem, just use tech cards and act oblivious that a specified counter deck is weaker to the rest of the meta....also the matchmaker will seldom match you against a deck that you are teched against.
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100% truth. We all know Blizzard MMR is the real fun killer here.
I don't really understand why you hate the solitaire decks so much. I mean, what have they done to you? It is still fun to play it if you know the decks and why we need them. Actually, I don't understand what you could hate about solitaire. It's a fantastic game with some simple rules that anyone can understand. The decks, man they are as simple as the game. Everything is more than easy with it. Maybe I don't see what's wrong with it because I am a great fan of online solitaire games. Basically, I am playing it daily.
Ah a roper......just announce that you're stocked up on the courage from being hidden....am sure people like you never ever would go to a live arcade....
Lol, the funny thing about running tech or counter decks is that Blizzard trolls the hell out of you by not matching you up with one until you decide to stop playing the counter.
Like everyone crying about Warlock in wild. I honestly run into very few Warlocks while completing my dailies. Then again, maybe I only play long enough to make sure I don't get burnt out by facing the same stuff over and over again.
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Lol, the funny thing about running tech or counter decks is that Blizzard trolls the hell out of you by not matching you up with one until you decide to stop playing the counter.
Like everyone crying about Warlock in wild. I honestly run into very few Warlocks while completing my dailies. Then again, maybe I only play long enough to make sure I don't get burnt out by facing the same stuff over and over again.
What would Blizzard gain by intentionally trolling you like that?
If Warlocks were favored by matchmaking (for some strange reason), it would only make the majority of the player base even more unhappy with Blizzard than they already are.
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"Uninteractive" seems to be the buzzword of the season, and it's getting tiresome to see it in every post and comment. Instead of complaining about it, why not just punish it yourself?
Every deck has a counter. All you have to do is look for the red boxes on the HSReplay meta report.
Even if you don't want to play the specific deck that counters the one you hate, you can still make some adjustments to a deck you do like. Taunts utterly destroy Quest Druid. Robes of Protection makes life a lot harder for any spell-heavy deck, especially the ones with no minions at all. If you don't like aggro, use Handbuff Paladin.
Honestly, Handbuff Paladin is the only deck I'd consider problematic at the moment, but no one complains about it because it seems interactive. The truth is that its only bad matchups are Quest Mage and Quest Rogue, and it can tech Robes to help against those.
Anyway, instead of more bitching, maybe use this thread constructively and post your own solutions. How do you counter the decks you consider toxic?
"Why, you never expected justice from a company, did you? They have neither a soul to lose nor a body to kick." -- Lady Saba Holland
I think I answer the "toxic" burst combo decks with even more burst. Doomhammer has been my best friend this last week :)
Play face hunter and make those Warlock and Mages uninstall
Most sensible people know that Buff Paladin, Aggro Hunter and Elemental Shaman are incredibly strong. We don't want a meta dominated by them. Really, we don't..we just went through a meta where paladin was crushing left and right...
But the bottom line is watching an opponent play with themslves for 7-10 minutes then kill you is not fun...at all. You can't tech against every degenerate deck either. People are upset at the size of the hole Blizzard has dug themselves into this time - and balance and winrates have little to do with it - all classes having a decent meta deck counts for little if the game is no fun to play - fun comes from feeling like you can influence the outcome of games with decisions, actual gameplay...and yes, interaction.
Earlier today, I was playing against a quest mage, and he was just like, drawing random cards and playing nothing. I was sure he had a bunch of minion targeting spells in hand, ready to play against my stuff.
The minions in my hand were not Robes of Protection, so I had to choose to just not play cards, or play cards that will certainly get removed and allow my opponent to get closer to victory.
Yes, indeed, a single tech card can make the difference in hard match ups, but it only helps if you draw it! Thanks RNG!
Then I decided to play quest warlock, to counter the bullshit with bullshit. Certainly I won't run into a handbuff paladin running robes. Not to worry, I have Nightshade Matron to counter a robes. Unless they put it behind a taunt. Perfect.
Alright kids, what deck should I play next? It definitely won't get countered by the first matchup I get.
I'm looking at evolve shaman, featuring Revolve. Perfect against those pesky good handbuff paladins! Now to queue up this jank mess of a deck and NEVER SEE ANOTHER PALADIN AGAIN - HOOOOOOOOOO!
*This message was brought you in part by, a mildly salty losing streak and viewers like you. Thank you!
What did I say about not bitching? When did anyone ever mention win rates? Please don't hijack threads with your tirades. There are other threads for the thing you want to talk about.
"Why, you never expected justice from a company, did you? They have neither a soul to lose nor a body to kick." -- Lady Saba Holland
Since they somehow manage to draw the right cards in the right time and dont care about my counters like robe, tower, etc. and not like me, waiting 10 turns until finally one of my 5 2-mana cards gets drawn, i switched to rope mode. Yes, if they could, all adhs questplayers would down vote me to hell, but i just do other stuff while finishing my daily and weekly quests. I play other games in the background, prepare food, watch streams and rope to the last millisecond every turn. So i gain at least some season xp and prevent them to bother other players and nullifying their plan to win each match in two minutes. Btw. the more i rope, the more errors they make and the more time i actually have to rethink my own turn. Actually roping made me win more often because of their errors. You should give it a try. Rope is my tech and it works. But i also appreciate selfmade decks and concede to unique decks, to motivate them to stay away from netdecking. Heck, you even match against tryhard netdeckers in normal duel mode.
Pretty annoying for Quest Mage/Warlock/DH
And i don’t even play Paladins
The problem with counters, tech cards, is that they make your deck worse against most opponents for the sake of making it just slightly better against a few. Most tech cards are just not worth putting in your deck because drawing them doesn’t get you closer to your deck’s win condition. Robes might be better than some, but then again it’s been around a while and wasn’t played much in previous metas. I think there is usually a better card to include.
Clowns will always argue no problem, just use tech cards and act oblivious that a specified counter deck is weaker to the rest of the meta....also the matchmaker will seldom match you against a deck that you are teched against.
Robes is a great card, however half the time they seem to be at the bottom of my deck. So unless I get a perfect few turns I still get rekt.
Game is great fun. Don’t know what’s your point.
Yeh sure you motivate them a lot by wasting their time and then conceding so that they can’t play the game…
Roping is the single most toxic, unfair and children - like thing in the whole game. You disqualified yourself from any discussion
All i heard was: MIMIMIMIMI
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100% truth. We all know Blizzard MMR is the real fun killer here.
I don't really understand why you hate the solitaire decks so much. I mean, what have they done to you? It is still fun to play it if you know the decks and why we need them. Actually, I don't understand what you could hate about solitaire. It's a fantastic game with some simple rules that anyone can understand. The decks, man they are as simple as the game. Everything is more than easy with it. Maybe I don't see what's wrong with it because I am a great fan of online solitaire games. Basically, I am playing it daily.
Ah a roper......just announce that you're stocked up on the courage from being hidden....am sure people like you never ever would go to a live arcade....
Lol, the funny thing about running tech or counter decks is that Blizzard trolls the hell out of you by not matching you up with one until you decide to stop playing the counter.
Like everyone crying about Warlock in wild. I honestly run into very few Warlocks while completing my dailies. Then again, maybe I only play long enough to make sure I don't get burnt out by facing the same stuff over and over again.
Grammar is the difference between knowing your crap, and knowing you’re crap.
A .gif is worth a thousand words.
What would Blizzard gain by intentionally trolling you like that?
If Warlocks were favored by matchmaking (for some strange reason), it would only make the majority of the player base even more unhappy with Blizzard than they already are.
"Why, you never expected justice from a company, did you? They have neither a soul to lose nor a body to kick." -- Lady Saba Holland