I went for Uldum. WotOG was surely also great, but I think Uldum had a more diverse meta, that still enabled many aggressive and defensive deck strategies. I don't recall any deck or class being particularly problematic either. Unlike Ungoro, that had rogue and freeze mage driving people mad, KotFT with Priests and druids en masse, Gadgetzan.... XD .
Uldum seemed exceptionally unproblematic. It made the meta slower in contrast to RoS and introduced my favorite card (corrupt the waters).
The only thing I really disliked about that expansion was puzzle box, which wasn't THAT bad for the game in the end.
I don't think the card was that concerning before Jaraxxus came into the picture. Just seems like too much value together. I would actually rather see Jaxx lose the 5 armor, so that control warlock was still prone to high burst damage. Tickatus is another option
Like most people are saying in this post Pen Flinger is the only card in my mind that needs to change. It's the only thing that gives pally any reach. Because of Pen Flinger they don't have to run consecration any more. A nerf to pen flinger won't make libram pally much worse it'll just require them to make necessary trades instead of an infinite cycle.
If the weapon were to be nerfed i would say just make it draw a secret not put it into play
EXACTLY!
Having infinite face damage should not be a thing for paladin. Still, a nerf will only cut those half ass wins, where the opponent has board control, but not 11+ health and massive burst to survive the flingers, so the deck will still be fine.
I thought of just cutting one durability, but maybe it's healthier to still have the card value, in a slower and more tactical way
For the people who say you don't have enough evidence of this I bet you if we all pooled our deck trackers of the decks we played we would find the evidence we need.
Let me tell about my stats over this week 40% of my opponents where also Mages.
Next day I change Deck I play the secret pala 50% of matches Mage.
Next day I play a DH deck out of 12 games only 1 Mage.
You make what you want of this Stats.
So you assume that the number of active spell mage decks is constant at all times? and completely independent of your mmr?
I see just as strong evidence that spell mage fans don't like to play on day 3... (whatever day that is)
Until last year I only spent 20€ on each expansion/adventure. When the bars closed I suddenly had a lot more money to spend on games, so 220€ was spend since AoO. When I look at my balance there's also a lot of little arena admitions. My best approximation is 400-430€.
Feels pretty OK, for a hobby that I've had for almost 7 years.
Remember that deck of lunacy was only a decent card in a half bad deck, until Nagrand was 1/2 10 mana spells and "draw 2 for 0 mana" was a thing. If they reduce the generation to only be 2 mana more, Nagrand will be out and the deck will likely be where it used to be. Otherwise you could just bump up the cost of lunacy and spring water if you want a bit more even nerf to mage.
Of course paladins insane new weapon needs a nerf and probably a nerf for either jaraxxus or tickatus
It's just one week into the new expansion and your perks last for 4 months, so don't you think it's a bit soon to conclude anything?
Team 5 have even stated that they try to add the content more evenly over the months, so you shouldn't expect much BG content on the expansion release. You also got darkmoon fare prices a month after DMF was released
I would probably go a bit lighter on the nerfs, reducing the secret weapon to 2 durability and have pen flinger only hit minions.
Paladin has surely been very strong over the last year, but the pure synergy is now gone and the counters for secret paladin are getting fucked by lunacy mage (which should get nerfed soon). Getting 3 cards played from your deck for 2 mana is just.... Ridiculous
EDIT: I don't think more nerfs are needed, if mage and warlock get their respective nerfs as well.
Interesting how a posts that basically just say "the new stuff looks rad, I'm gonna play again after a break", can harvest so many snarky comments. Welcome to social media... XD
I think the new core set looks cool as well and I think it's about time, that the classic/basic sets were refreshed. Rogue looks a bit busted, but maybe we'll all be surprised by some watch tower priest shit :p
I don't think that classic mode is supposed to stay particularly popular. It seems more like a fallback for some players, in case they dislike the standard/wild meta. Some people only like constructed play, so this can keep them entertained + all the posts going "hearthstone is worse than ever, bring back Ben Brode or I'm out tomorrow" will just look plain dumb now.
I think the lack of control rogue is pretty intentional, if you look at the class identity push over the last few years. Rogue has good value generation and hard removal, so there's definitely more than just aggro and tempo. Not your typical control deck, but more in the value midrange direction that relies on pushing the opponents key cards out.
Although when important value generators like whirlkick master and galakrond are leaving, in return of even more weapon and tempo synergy, rogue is gonna feel a lot more restricted for a while after rotation.
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I went for Uldum. WotOG was surely also great, but I think Uldum had a more diverse meta, that still enabled many aggressive and defensive deck strategies. I don't recall any deck or class being particularly problematic either. Unlike Ungoro, that had rogue and freeze mage driving people mad, KotFT with Priests and druids en masse, Gadgetzan.... XD .
Uldum seemed exceptionally unproblematic. It made the meta slower in contrast to RoS and introduced my favorite card (corrupt the waters).
The only thing I really disliked about that expansion was puzzle box, which wasn't THAT bad for the game in the end.
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I don't think the card was that concerning before Jaraxxus came into the picture. Just seems like too much value together. I would actually rather see Jaxx lose the 5 armor, so that control warlock was still prone to high burst damage. Tickatus is another option
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EXACTLY!
Having infinite face damage should not be a thing for paladin. Still, a nerf will only cut those half ass wins, where the opponent has board control, but not 11+ health and massive burst to survive the flingers, so the deck will still be fine.
I thought of just cutting one durability, but maybe it's healthier to still have the card value, in a slower and more tactical way
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So you assume that the number of active spell mage decks is constant at all times? and completely independent of your mmr?
I see just as strong evidence that spell mage fans don't like to play on day 3... (whatever day that is)
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Shhhh! Don't ruin her confidence!
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Until last year I only spent 20€ on each expansion/adventure. When the bars closed I suddenly had a lot more money to spend on games, so 220€ was spend since AoO. When I look at my balance there's also a lot of little arena admitions. My best approximation is 400-430€.
Feels pretty OK, for a hobby that I've had for almost 7 years.
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Remember that deck of lunacy was only a decent card in a half bad deck, until Nagrand was 1/2 10 mana spells and "draw 2 for 0 mana" was a thing. If they reduce the generation to only be 2 mana more, Nagrand will be out and the deck will likely be where it used to be. Otherwise you could just bump up the cost of lunacy and spring water if you want a bit more even nerf to mage.
Of course paladins insane new weapon needs a nerf and probably a nerf for either jaraxxus or tickatus
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It's just one week into the new expansion and your perks last for 4 months, so don't you think it's a bit soon to conclude anything?
Team 5 have even stated that they try to add the content more evenly over the months, so you shouldn't expect much BG content on the expansion release. You also got darkmoon fare prices a month after DMF was released
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Good suggestions so far.
I would probably go a bit lighter on the nerfs, reducing the secret weapon to 2 durability and have pen flinger only hit minions.
Paladin has surely been very strong over the last year, but the pure synergy is now gone and the counters for secret paladin are getting fucked by lunacy mage (which should get nerfed soon). Getting 3 cards played from your deck for 2 mana is just.... Ridiculous
EDIT: I don't think more nerfs are needed, if mage and warlock get their respective nerfs as well.
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I don't think the card is THAT busted, but damn I miss having just one day without seeing that card...
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Look like you'll find it in the achievements page https://hearthstone.fandom.com/wiki/Bru'kan
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Interesting how a posts that basically just say "the new stuff looks rad, I'm gonna play again after a break", can harvest so many snarky comments. Welcome to social media... XD
I think the new core set looks cool as well and I think it's about time, that the classic/basic sets were refreshed. Rogue looks a bit busted, but maybe we'll all be surprised by some watch tower priest shit :p
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I don't think that classic mode is supposed to stay particularly popular. It seems more like a fallback for some players, in case they dislike the standard/wild meta. Some people only like constructed play, so this can keep them entertained + all the posts going "hearthstone is worse than ever, bring back Ben Brode or I'm out tomorrow" will just look plain dumb now.
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I think the lack of control rogue is pretty intentional, if you look at the class identity push over the last few years. Rogue has good value generation and hard removal, so there's definitely more than just aggro and tempo. Not your typical control deck, but more in the value midrange direction that relies on pushing the opponents key cards out.
Although when important value generators like whirlkick master and galakrond are leaving, in return of even more weapon and tempo synergy, rogue is gonna feel a lot more restricted for a while after rotation.
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Well I guess it just mean that they spend less time getting there than us bosos :P