Every class have their times. Hunter was in bad place for a long time, just one year it has became good and all whined about it.
Same with all other classes. All classes had and will have their shiny times.
Let's not victimize others and let's not be unfair about them.
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True. Druid has been Tier 1 with Jade and Taunt as well as others. Shaman has had Face Shaman and Shudderwock, Mage has had Freeze, Tempo etc, Warrior has had Heavy Control, Pirate and Patron, Warlock has had Zoo, Cube and Even, Paladin has had Odd and Secret, Rogue has had Quest, Odd and others, Priest has had Gallery, Topsy etc and Hunter is of course the Newest Meta Menace with Recruit, Secret/Spell and Midrange.
Basically, every Class has been Top Dog for a while.
In general, I agree with Almaniarra and endlesstides.
I'd also just add that I think there's a difference when a single class has multiple viable archetypes and sees a high playrate vs. when there's really only 1 or maybe 2 archetypes in the class and its playrate is similarly high. For example, I personally had no problem with all the Hunters when there was DR, spell, secret, and beast going around, but the high concentration of midrange lately (at least in my neck of the woods) has been more annoying/boring. However, I know not everyone agrees with this and some get frusrated seeing the same hero portrait game after game regardless of whether they're playing against different styles/strategies.
Team 5 can't predict the meta, no one can. There is a multitude of complex variables that determine which classes wind up on top. It's always going to be some class.
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Think it was when Rumble came out and lots of hunters had both Rexxar and Vuljin as hero cards. At least Death knights (amongst other cards) are leaving next month will change the Standard Meta.
As a nerd who screencaps the HSReplays meta-page every weekend, I can confirm = Hunter peaked with a class play-rate of about 30% prior to the Spellstone nerf. Now, it's 20%. IIRC, the VS numbers are similar - if the OP has any data suggesting that the play-rate is actually double what the two sites are posting, it would be helpful if he shared it. As far as "fiasco" - folks are free to draw whatever conclusions they want after honestly assessing the impact of the nerfs, but not all of those conclusions will be reasonable.
Whenever a deck is that much more powerful than the rest of the meta the meta becomes way less fun for me. Midrange Hunter was that deck for the past months. The deck is so strong that even the counterdecks (odd warrior, odd control mage, control priest) have a very hard time consistently beating the deck. When played right mid hunter could even still be favored in those matches (thanks to tee deathstalker). I've played the deck but I am really glad it rotates in a few days.
Well you gotta remember that the hunter based meta had 4 didn't hunter archetypes.
And you gotta remember that 3 of the Hunter decks were jokes and meme decks that were constantly buff over several expansions and we're underpowered to the point of going over 18 months without nerfs.
Deathrattle Hunter was unplayable until Paladin was nerfed twice. Spell hunter relied on a warped meta to shine. Beast Hunter was bad until RR. Secret Hunter was not a powerhouse alone until a bunch of decks got nerfed.
It most was a fluke. A perfect storm of one class have 4 tier 2, 3, and 4 decks sitting in the background and avoiding nerfs because it wasn't close to top tier. All due to the designers purposefully keeping broken cards out one class for years.
Every class have their times. Hunter was in bad place for a long time, just one year it has became good and all whined about it.
Same with all other classes. All classes had and will have their shiny times.
Let's not victimize others and let's not be unfair about them.
Found the hunter player.
I assume you weren't there in Vanilla and Naxxramas Hearthstone.
Hunters got a lot more than "just one year" of "shiny time".
Don't victimize yourself and the op wasn't unfair to anyone.
1st - I'm here since closed beta 2nd - I never play ranked - just for 5 wins to get end of season reward 3th - Yes I am playing with all of the classes and it is not a bad thing to play hunter, you can't harass people because they are playing hunter. 4th - I did not say "hunter is meta once", I meant whole year long. 5th - You found a hunter player so what ? You will execute me on public because I am playing hunter ? 6th - I've said same things when they opened a thread for Druid and for Priest and for Mage etc. It's not hunter exclusive situation for me. People tend to forget. 7th - learn to communicate with people like a human-being. Stop acting like apes.
Memedeck-seeker. Always tries to build new decks. Hates tournements, streamers, netdecks and poor-o players. ah, but a tournement mode could be great !!!
I think you forgot how the only viable hunter deck was Midrange Hunter and it was at best a tier 2 deck (from old gods to kobolds). Only after witchwood with the release of Houndmaster Shaw and Witchwood Grizzly hunter was finally able to master a different kind of gameplay - a slower one -. Even the spell hunter was so neat and inovative since it was the only competitive deck with no minions in HS history. Personally, i love hunter and it is one of my main classes and we deserved a little break from being in the dumpster.
I think this is the worst possible time to be sharpening pitchforks.
Yes, Hunter has been strong for a while -- I'd even agree it's been a bit too strong.
However, we have no idea what the new meta is going to look like. For all we know, a strong Hunter archetype may soon be the only thing keeping some other class in check. There are some very powerful contenders coming up, and it's possible that we'll find a decent overall balance.
If one class is clearly dominant again after three to four weeks, that will be the time to go crying to Blizzard. Not now.
As a nerd who screencaps the HSReplays meta-page every weekend, I can confirm = Hunter peaked with a class play-rate of about 30% prior to the Spellstone nerf. Now, it's 20%. IIRC, the VS numbers are similar - if the OP has any data suggesting that the play-rate is actually double what the two sites are posting, it would be helpful if he shared it. As far as "fiasco" - folks are free to draw whatever conclusions they want after honestly assessing the impact of the nerfs, but not all of those conclusions will be reasonable.
Exactly. Hunter was never 40% of the meta. When they were above 30% Blizzard nerfed Emerald Spellstone and Hunter's Mark.
A new expansion is on the way along with a rotation. There isn't much for them to do at the moment, but we've seen they have recently started making more frequent nerfs to cards and we should expect that with the new expansion.
As a nerd who screencaps the HSReplays meta-page every weekend, I can confirm = Hunter peaked with a class play-rate of about 30% prior to the Spellstone nerf. Now, it's 20%. IIRC, the VS numbers are similar - if the OP has any data suggesting that the play-rate is actually double what the two sites are posting, it would be helpful if he shared it. As far as "fiasco" - folks are free to draw whatever conclusions they want after honestly assessing the impact of the nerfs, but not all of those conclusions will be reasonable.
Exactly. Hunter was never 40% of the meta. When they were above 30% Blizzard nerfed Emerald Spellstone and Hunter's Mark.
A new expansion is on the way along with a rotation. There isn't much for them to do at the moment, but we've seen they have recently started making more frequent nerfs to cards and we should expect that with the new expansion.
Yup, I agree. I played back in vanilla and nax when hunters actually were 40+% of the meta and zoo, control warrior and miracle rogue were the only other viable decks. It felt very different!
Also, good points that hunter rose up because other decks were nerfed. I also think all of the recent hunter archetypes have been very healty ones, with several close to 50% matchups and reasonable counters. I can understand that morphing an aggro deck into a value grinder with Deathstalker Rexxar can be frustrating to lose against but the DK is far from a key card in those decks, and he will sit dead in your hand as long as you follow an agressive gameplan.
Blizzard is not testing and this is the real issue. Hunter was under the testing issues. Blizzard didn't tested the new cards and Dk, they never nerfed to admit the mistakes. Now we have the issues with the new legendary not tested and already a big issue.
played Hearthstone for 7+ hours every day over the past 6 months and the chart in my deck tracker shows 40%+ hunter for every deck that I've played. Around 3500 games. Games were played in r5 to top 200 legend range.
edit: so 40%+ hunter on r5 and under. very possible that at around rank 50-18 there are less hunters.
As a nerd who screencaps the HSReplays meta-page every weekend, I can confirm = Hunter peaked with a class play-rate of about 30% prior to the Spellstone nerf. Now, it's 20%.
40%+ hunter representation at rank 5 and lower over the past 6 months. very possible that the overall numbers are different. people playing in the r50 to r18 range are chilling and likely playing less hunter.
played Hearthstone for 7+ hours every day over the past 6 months and the chart in my deck tracker shows 40%+ hunter for every deck that I've played. Around 3500 games. Games were played in r5 to top 200 legend range.
edit: so 40%+ hunter on r5 and under. very possible that at around rank 50-18 there are less hunters.
Do you have pre and post nerf numbers? Until the spellstone nerf hunter had a ton of viable decks that were tier 1 to tier 0. I am just curious because my personal non-tracked experience is after that the numbers went way, way down.
On subject a little more I think hunter has high representation due to it having a lot of relatively cheap and easy play styles. When I want to knock out some quick games normally I go hunter. And I don't think Blizzard needs to assure every class has equal representation but 40% is a little high.
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Hey Hearthpwners!
Over the past 6-8 months the hunter class had a representation of over 40%. meaning 40% of all players played hunter.
going forward do you think Blizzard needs to step in earlier? or is it okay to let one class run free for over half a year?
what do you guys think?
Every class have their times. Hunter was in bad place for a long time, just one year it has became good and all whined about it.
Same with all other classes. All classes had and will have their shiny times.
Let's not victimize others and let's not be unfair about them.
Memedeck-seeker. Always tries to build new decks. Hates tournements, streamers, netdecks and poor-o players.
ah, but a tournement mode could be great !!!
True. Druid has been Tier 1 with Jade and Taunt as well as others. Shaman has had Face Shaman and Shudderwock, Mage has had Freeze, Tempo etc, Warrior has had Heavy Control, Pirate and Patron, Warlock has had Zoo, Cube and Even, Paladin has had Odd and Secret, Rogue has had Quest, Odd and others, Priest has had Gallery, Topsy etc and Hunter is of course the Newest Meta Menace with Recruit, Secret/Spell and Midrange.
Basically, every Class has been Top Dog for a while.
4/3/19 RIP Keith Flint. 😔
In general, I agree with Almaniarra and endlesstides.
I'd also just add that I think there's a difference when a single class has multiple viable archetypes and sees a high playrate vs. when there's really only 1 or maybe 2 archetypes in the class and its playrate is similarly high. For example, I personally had no problem with all the Hunters when there was DR, spell, secret, and beast going around, but the high concentration of midrange lately (at least in my neck of the woods) has been more annoying/boring. However, I know not everyone agrees with this and some get frusrated seeing the same hero portrait game after game regardless of whether they're playing against different styles/strategies.
Praise Rang.
Team 5 can't predict the meta, no one can. There is a multitude of complex variables that determine which classes wind up on top. It's always going to be some class.
Free to try and find a game, dealing cards for sorrow, cards for pain.
That sounds way too much compared both to my personal experience and the statistics I know. Where did you find that number?
Warlock, Paladin, Mage, Rogue, Priest and Warrior have all had very powerful decks in that timespan.
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Think it was when Rumble came out and lots of hunters had both Rexxar and Vuljin as hero cards. At least Death knights (amongst other cards) are leaving next month will change the Standard Meta.
Not sure if hyped yet.
Found the hunter player.
I assume you weren't there in Vanilla and Naxxramas Hearthstone.
Hunters got a lot more than "just one year" of "shiny time".
Don't victimize yourself and the op wasn't unfair to anyone.
As a nerd who screencaps the HSReplays meta-page every weekend, I can confirm = Hunter peaked with a class play-rate of about 30% prior to the Spellstone nerf. Now, it's 20%. IIRC, the VS numbers are similar - if the OP has any data suggesting that the play-rate is actually double what the two sites are posting, it would be helpful if he shared it. As far as "fiasco" - folks are free to draw whatever conclusions they want after honestly assessing the impact of the nerfs, but not all of those conclusions will be reasonable.
Whenever a deck is that much more powerful than the rest of the meta the meta becomes way less fun for me. Midrange Hunter was that deck for the past months. The deck is so strong that even the counterdecks (odd warrior, odd control mage, control priest) have a very hard time consistently beating the deck. When played right mid hunter could even still be favored in those matches (thanks to tee deathstalker). I've played the deck but I am really glad it rotates in a few days.
Well you gotta remember that the hunter based meta had 4 didn't hunter archetypes.
And you gotta remember that 3 of the Hunter decks were jokes and meme decks that were constantly buff over several expansions and we're underpowered to the point of going over 18 months without nerfs.
Deathrattle Hunter was unplayable until Paladin was nerfed twice. Spell hunter relied on a warped meta to shine. Beast Hunter was bad until RR. Secret Hunter was not a powerhouse alone until a bunch of decks got nerfed.
It most was a fluke. A perfect storm of one class have 4 tier 2, 3, and 4 decks sitting in the background and avoiding nerfs because it wasn't close to top tier. All due to the designers purposefully keeping broken cards out one class for years.
1st - I'm here since closed beta
2nd - I never play ranked - just for 5 wins to get end of season reward
3th - Yes I am playing with all of the classes and it is not a bad thing to play hunter, you can't harass people because they are playing hunter.
4th - I did not say "hunter is meta once", I meant whole year long.
5th - You found a hunter player so what ? You will execute me on public because I am playing hunter ?
6th - I've said same things when they opened a thread for Druid and for Priest and for Mage etc. It's not hunter exclusive situation for me. People tend to forget.
7th - learn to communicate with people like a human-being. Stop acting like apes.
Memedeck-seeker. Always tries to build new decks. Hates tournements, streamers, netdecks and poor-o players.
ah, but a tournement mode could be great !!!
I think you forgot how the only viable hunter deck was Midrange Hunter and it was at best a tier 2 deck (from old gods to kobolds). Only after witchwood with the release of Houndmaster Shaw and Witchwood Grizzly hunter was finally able to master a different kind of gameplay - a slower one -. Even the spell hunter was so neat and inovative since it was the only competitive deck with no minions in HS history. Personally, i love hunter and it is one of my main classes and we deserved a little break from being in the dumpster.
I think this is the worst possible time to be sharpening pitchforks.
Yes, Hunter has been strong for a while -- I'd even agree it's been a bit too strong.
However, we have no idea what the new meta is going to look like. For all we know, a strong Hunter archetype may soon be the only thing keeping some other class in check. There are some very powerful contenders coming up, and it's possible that we'll find a decent overall balance.
If one class is clearly dominant again after three to four weeks, that will be the time to go crying to Blizzard. Not now.
"Why, you never expected justice from a company, did you? They have neither a soul to lose nor a body to kick." -- Lady Saba Holland
Exactly. Hunter was never 40% of the meta. When they were above 30% Blizzard nerfed Emerald Spellstone and Hunter's Mark.
A new expansion is on the way along with a rotation. There isn't much for them to do at the moment, but we've seen they have recently started making more frequent nerfs to cards and we should expect that with the new expansion.
Yup, I agree. I played back in vanilla and nax when hunters actually were 40+% of the meta and zoo, control warrior and miracle rogue were the only other viable decks. It felt very different!
Also, good points that hunter rose up because other decks were nerfed. I also think all of the recent hunter archetypes have been very healty ones, with several close to 50% matchups and reasonable counters. I can understand that morphing an aggro deck into a value grinder with Deathstalker Rexxar can be frustrating to lose against but the DK is far from a key card in those decks, and he will sit dead in your hand as long as you follow an agressive gameplan.
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Blizzard is not testing and this is the real issue. Hunter was under the testing issues. Blizzard didn't tested the new cards and Dk, they never nerfed to admit the mistakes. Now we have the issues with the new legendary not tested and already a big issue.
played Hearthstone for 7+ hours every day over the past 6 months and the chart in my deck tracker shows 40%+ hunter for every deck that I've played. Around 3500 games. Games were played in r5 to top 200 legend range.
edit: so 40%+ hunter on r5 and under. very possible that at around rank 50-18 there are less hunters.
40%+ hunter representation at rank 5 and lower over the past 6 months. very possible that the overall numbers are different. people playing in the r50 to r18 range are chilling and likely playing less hunter.
Do you have pre and post nerf numbers? Until the spellstone nerf hunter had a ton of viable decks that were tier 1 to tier 0. I am just curious because my personal non-tracked experience is after that the numbers went way, way down.
On subject a little more I think hunter has high representation due to it having a lot of relatively cheap and easy play styles. When I want to knock out some quick games normally I go hunter. And I don't think Blizzard needs to assure every class has equal representation but 40% is a little high.